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Tempestz · 11-19-2013, 06:04 PM

Yeah I was researching that point for the longest time on why stillen and motordyne made so much compared to the rest. And almost all the other exhausts used the Hpipe or x pipe design. Granted in theory they would make the most HP and tq design, they don't. Now this is actually where getting into power under the curve matters... An X pipe/ypipe design will give you the most power down low, because the exhaust gases and closer to mixing or mixing directly which in turn creates back pressure without the use of a muffler or resonator. So the exhaust gases are not slowed down by the packing, which helps with exhaust scavenging. The h pipe helps in high rpm power cuz it equalizes exhaust pulses and they will flow better in upper RPM.

The point I cannot directly explain is how motordyne, and stillen still make the most power in the high rpm utilizing the ypipe design. Granted motordyne uses the indirect resonator on the tail pipes(I forgot the actual name for that) and it creates even more exhaust scavenging. These points are why I chose the ypipe design with a non resonated midpipe and two straight through mufflers as my exhaust of choice. Least path if resistance for me.

Cbtech · 11-19-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempestz

Yeah I was researching that point for the longest time on why stillen and motordyne made so much compared to the rest. And almost all the other exhausts used the Hpipe or x pipe design. Granted in theory they would make the most HP and tq design, they don't. Now this is actually where getting into power under the curve matters... An X pipe/ypipe design will give you the most power down low, because the exhaust gases and closer to mixing or mixing directly which in turn creates back pressure without the use of a muffler or resonator. So the exhaust gases are not slowed down by the packing, which helps with exhaust scavenging. The h pipe helps in high rpm power cuz it equalizes exhaust pulses and they will flow better in upper RPM.

The point I cannot directly explain is how motordyne, and stillen still make the most power in the high rpm utilizing the ypipe design. Granted motordyne uses the indirect resonator on the tail pipes(I forgot the actual name for that) and it creates even more exhaust scavenging. These points are why I chose the ypipe design with a non resonated midpipe and two straight through mufflers as my exhaust of choice. Least path if resistance for me.

onzedge · 11-19-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbtech

NINJA · 11-19-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempestz

Yeah I was researching that point for the longest time on why stillen and motordyne made so much compared to the rest. And almost all the other exhausts used the Hpipe or x pipe design. Granted in theory they would make the most HP and tq design, they don't. Now this is actually where getting into power under the curve matters... An X pipe/ypipe design will give you the most power down low, because the exhaust gases and closer to mixing or mixing directly which in turn creates back pressure without the use of a muffler or resonator. So the exhaust gases are not slowed down by the packing, which helps with exhaust scavenging. The h pipe helps in high rpm power cuz it equalizes exhaust pulses and they will flow better in upper RPM.

H-pipe is why I was only looking at a few exhausts. The stock nismo has a similar setup so wanted to match that for performance. MXP and AAM were two that offered this. On each of their websites they claim great gains. If the AAM tails will match up to the MXP mid, I may do a switcharoo.

Great picture CB.

Tempestz · 11-19-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NINJA

H-pipe is why I was only looking at a few exhausts. The stock nismo has a similar setup so wanted to match that for performance. MXP and AAM were two that offered this. On each of their websites they claim great gains. If the AAM tails will match up to the MXP mid, I may do a switcharoo.

Great picture CB.

Can you buy just the MXP midpipe?

SuperDave · 11-19-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempestz

Yeah I was researching that point for the longest time on why stillen and motordyne made so much compared to the rest. And almost all the other exhausts used the Hpipe or x pipe design. Granted in theory they would make the most HP and tq design, they don't. Now this is actually where getting into power under the curve matters... An X pipe/ypipe design will give you the most power down low, because the exhaust gases and closer to mixing or mixing directly which in turn creates back pressure without the use of a muffler or resonator. So the exhaust gases are not slowed down by the packing, which helps with exhaust scavenging. The h pipe helps in high rpm power cuz it equalizes exhaust pulses and they will flow better in upper RPM.

The point I cannot directly explain is how motordyne, and stillen still make the most power in the high rpm utilizing the ypipe design. Granted motordyne uses the indirect resonator on the tail pipes(I forgot the actual name for that) and it creates even more exhaust scavenging. These points are why I chose the ypipe design with a non resonated midpipe and two straight through mufflers as my exhaust of choice. Least path if resistance for me.

Great information and pondering of x-y-h differences. As far as I understand, the x design will make more power throughout the rpm band over the h, since it allows a more free flow path and reduces exhaust scavenging, but the loss of backpressure causes a loss of torque, which is where the h pipe design out performs. Albeit, we are talking measurements of 1 and 2, nothing too significant. If you think about it, the y pipe design is really just an elongated x pipe, and that is probably why motordyne and stillen are making the same type of power gains in the same power band. A lot comes into play, angle of the y, length of the y before the x split again, backpressure from the mufflers and baffles, and things like test pipes, hfcs, or stock cats and their age can really offset the numbers as well.

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Tempestz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ewa Beach, HI Posts: 346 Drives: 10-370Z-MB-7AT Rep Power: 12	Yeah I was researching that point for the longest time on why stillen and motordyne made so much compared to the rest. And almost all the other exhausts used the Hpipe or x pipe design. Granted in theory they would make the most HP and tq design, they don't. Now this is actually where getting into power under the curve matters... An X pipe/ypipe design will give you the most power down low, because the exhaust gases and closer to mixing or mixing directly which in turn creates back pressure without the use of a muffler or resonator. So the exhaust gases are not slowed down by the packing, which helps with exhaust scavenging. The h pipe helps in high rpm power cuz it equalizes exhaust pulses and they will flow better in upper RPM. The point I cannot directly explain is how motordyne, and stillen still make the most power in the high rpm utilizing the ypipe design. Granted motordyne uses the indirect resonator on the tail pipes(I forgot the actual name for that) and it creates even more exhaust scavenging. These points are why I chose the ypipe design with a non resonated midpipe and two straight through mufflers as my exhaust of choice. Least path if resistance for me.