Bikers Attack Driver After Accident: Caught on Tape

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

Since they didn't hurt him that bad after he ran that guy over, and they didn't touch his family, why would he think & what did he think they wanted before. Maybe if he opened his window a bit & asked what? Nothing would have happened. That's what I would do. If I cut someone off or not, I would say sorry pal. Case could have been closed after that. These guys didn't look like they were going to rape & kill them & sell the kid into slavery

Ok, you're just trolling. There's no way a rational person could come up with something like that.

KN21283 · 10-02-2013, 09:42 PM

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1380764175

he wouldn't hurt any one

cossie1600 · 10-02-2013, 09:43 PM

Facts are overrated chuck

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Ok, you're just trolling. There's no way a rational person could come up with something like that.

The normal thing to do is ask what's going on. Be real & honest, it's not normal to try & run over a bunch of bikes & people. NOT normal to kill people if they knock on your door, or whatever they did. Whatever they did, not what the SUV driver thought they wanted to do.

Were the riders wearing hoodies???

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

The normal thing to do is ask what's going on. Be real & honest, it's not normal to try & run over a bunch of bikes & people. NOT normal to kill people if they knock on your door, or whatever they did. Whatever they did, not what the SUV driver thought they wanted to do.

You do realize that he ran over the bikes to escape when his safety and the safety of his family was threatened, don't you? Have you read a single article that's been linked here with a timeline of events? You're so far off what actually happened you might as well be discussing a different event.

Cbtech · 10-02-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed

Surely you are trolling. I live in the United States of America, where exactly ZERO of the 50 states determine fault based on licensure. Most states assign fault based on who is at fault, with a couple refusing to assign any fault at all. A simple google search would have made this fact clear to you.

Nope not trolling, im here all the time and post quit frequently with pertinent and (sometimes) substantial content just depends on how I feel

.

If you do not have a license to drive a vehicle in any state within the union you are at fault if you are driving a vehicle on a public road or highway. You can plead No Contest to any of the charges so as to not claim fault for damage injury or death, but, as im sure you're aware, you are still considered guilty. I showed you examples of unlicensed drivers being "at fault" due to their mistakes or inability to contain their stupidity. How about you do the google search and prove me wrong in another way other than arrogance.

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed

You said:
"Had he had a license he most likely would have cited for unsafe lane change"

Article says nothing of the sort. Charges are in-line with behavior.

since we are going to nit pick...

my comment states "most likely" which implies a probability of charges not an absolute. So you're saying if you accidentally kill someone by switching lanes or accidently turning in front of someone that you should be charged with manslaughter if you are a license and insured driver? you live in a messed up town man...

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed

Article says nothing of the sort. Charges are in-line with behavior. Your misspelling of "reckless" is a nice touch.

you got me there...sorry all thumbs on my cell phone

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed

Article says nothing of the sort. Charges are in-line with behavior, especially since most of them are related to failure to appear

hmmm

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Isabel Balderas, a 25-year-old Hart resident charged with a potential 15-year felony for a fatal March 2012 rollover accident on U.S. 31 near the Muskegon River flats, has had her bond forfeited after she repeatedly failed to appear for court dates.

Charges are in-line with the the behavior?? Really? well shit no one better roll their car in Michigan or you may be charged with a potential 15-year felony!

that seems kind of excessive if i'm a licensed driver and I make a mistake by over correcting and forbid someone was to die due to the rollover.

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Originally Posted by Red_Zed

You also seem very confused about the chain of events. The biker that was rear-ended appears to have had his license suspended following the event, which would indicate he had a license during.

My bad you're right it was the dude that was a speed bump that ended up in the hospital that didn't have a license. At least he will have Obamacare to cover his medical costs in March.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:49 PM

Andre-

Bikers terrorize family in high-speed chase | New York Post

I'll post this again in the hopes you'll read it.

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

You do realize that he ran over the bikes to escape when his safety and the safety of his family was threatened, don't you? Have you read a single article that's been linked here with a timeline of events? You're so far off what actually happened you might as well be discussing a different event.

I heard & saw nothing on tv that said they threatened him & his family. I'm watching tv now and they just said he/driver panicked.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

I heard & saw nothing on tv that said they threatened him & his family. I'm watching tv now and they just said he/driver panicked.

If that were the case, don't you think the driver would have been charged with something instead of the bikers?

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cbtech

Nope not trolling, im here all the time and post quit frequently with pertinent and (sometimes) substantial content just depends on how I feel

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If you do not have a license to drive a vehicle in any state within the union you are at fault if you are driving a vehicle on a public road or highway. You can plead No Contest to any of the charges so as to not claim fault for damage injury or death, but, as im sure you're aware, you are still considered guilty. I showed you examples of unlicensed drivers being "at fault" due to their mistakes or inability to contain their stupidity. How about you do the google search and prove me wrong in another way other than arrogance.

Already posted for you:

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Here's an easily digestible link for you on the topic:
I was in a minor car accident with an unlicensed but insured driver in NYS. Is that party at fault? - Avvo.com

I'm out for a bit traveling, will catch up on this thread next week.

I would love to see a source for the bolded claim.

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since we are going to nit pick...

my comment states "most likely" which implies a probability of charges not an absolute. So you're saying if you accidentally kill someone by switching lanes or accidently turning in front of someone that you should be charged with manslaughter if you are a license and insured driver? you live in a messed up town man...

Any time someone dies as a result of your potentially negligent actions, you are at risk for manslaughter charges. This includes speeding, texting, etc.

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you got me there...sorry all thumbs on my cell phone

hmmm

Charges are in-line with the the behavior?? Really? well shit no one better roll their car in Michigan or you may be charged with a potential 15-year felony!

that seems kind of excessive if i'm a licensed driver and I make a mistake by over correcting and forbid someone was to die due to the rollover.

Yep, if you flip your car you can get charged with all sorts of things. It has nothing to do with whether you have a license. If you don't, they'll tack it onto the list and maybe be more aggressive in prosecution, but there's no other change to legal standing.

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My bad you're right it was the dude that was a speed bump that ended up in the hospital that didn't have a license. At least he will have Obamacare to cover his medical costs in March.

No political discussions....

Cbtech · 10-02-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

The normal thing to do is ask what's going on. Be real & honest, it's not normal to try & run over a bunch of bikes & people. NOT normal to kill people if they knock on your door, or whatever they did. Whatever they did, not what the SUV driver thought they wanted to do.

Were the riders wearing hoodies???

not hoodies...helmets and im sure they were just politely tapping on his window asking for his insurance. The 30 year old wealthy executive was probably throwing gang signs and spitting...

you sound like Chevy chase when he is asking for directions.

not a good thing either

andre12031948 · 10-02-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

If that were the case, don't you think the driver would have been charged with something instead of the bikers?

They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

Ok, I give.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:09 PM

CB here are more comments from lawyers. I'm interested to see a source for your claim that all 50 states automatically fault unlicensed drivers.

Car Accidents Can't Be Blamed on Driving Without a Valid License | Arizona Injury Lawyers

Car Accident, Unlicensed Driver in an Insured Car (Not at Fault)

Accidents with Unlicensed Drivers | Raleigh Legal Examiner | Raleigh North Carolina Personal Injury Lawyer

Unlicensed Driver, Car Accident, Not at Fault

KN21283 · 10-02-2013, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

They are still looking it over. The driver can be charged soon. Let's wait & see. The riders were/are big A-holes but they didn't deserve the death sentence.

Wow...... If you threaten my family in anyway that they fear for their lives I would put you in the ground

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