Bikers Attack Driver After Accident: Caught on Tape

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

ha ha, synolimit you should have known youd get pounced on by everybody here. i can tell by the vibe of this forum its not even worth chiming in on 90% of the stuff.

The vibe of the forum that doesn't support people riding like complete assbags on public roads and causing confrontations that leave people paralyzed? I'm ok with that vibe.

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 09:53 AM

ive seen so many condescending, self righteous, down right ignorant and rude posts on this forum. most the times aimed at people that ask simple questions. heaven forbid a newbie comes on here and insults half the gods of nissan here with their lack of awe inspiring knowledge. then just like these bikers a pack of arrogant Z owners jumps all over them. its disappointing. there are some good people on here, but definitely arent as common as the more negative members.

and yes i do realize now ill be a target for some good ol online flaming. but i could care a less. im just stating my opinion based on numerous examples ive seen. its a shame

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

ive seen so many condescending, self righteous, down right ignorant and rude posts on this forum. most the times aimed at people that ask simple questions. heaven forbid a newbie comes on here and insults half the gods of nissan here with their lack of awe inspiring knowledge. then just like these bikers a pack of arrogant Z owners jumps all over them. its disappointing. there are some good people on here, but definitely arent as common as the more negative members.

and yes i do realize now ill be a target for some good ol online flaming. but i could care a less. im just stating my opinion based on numerous examples ive seen. its a shame

Let me guess- sportbike rider?

ElVee · 10-02-2013, 09:56 AM

The connection there...is ridiculous.

I'm still relatively new and in no way part of any groups on here, but I've really not seen anything that even remotely seems rude or insulting, and certainly nothing in comparison to the trolls and children and idiots from various other car forums. This place has been an oasis, to be honest.

Anyway, this is escalating when it really shouldn't be.

falconfixer · 10-02-2013, 09:57 AM

ibtl

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Let me guess- sportbike rider?

bikes are dangerous. but they're good job security in my line of work. lol

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

bikes are dangerous. but they're good job security in my line of work. lol

Orthopedic doc?

falconfixer · 10-02-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Orthopedic doc?

organ harvester?

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 09:59 AM

mon-fri, 9-5 director of rehabilitation services for a multi-disciplinary therapy company.
weekends = paramedic

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

mon-fri, 9-5 director of rehabilitation services for a multi-disciplinary therapy company.
weekends = paramedic

Yep, these guys keep you in business.

XiP · 10-02-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lothario

bikes are dangerous. but they're good job security in my line of work. lol

Cmike2780 · 10-02-2013, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The guys on bikes were complete idiots, but the situation was unnecessarily escalated by the RR driver (at least by all appearances from the video).

Running someone over is deadly force, and you can't escalate to deadly force "because the guys look like they're in a gang." Especially when the guy he ran over had been uninvolved the situation (again, by all appearances). You can't justify running someone over because they aren't a good person.

What you didn't see is them hitting the Range Rover and slashing his front tire. You see 50 guys on bikes riding in a group stopping you on the highway, your first thought isn't going to be hmmmm...."I wonder what this nice gentleman on the motorcycle is going to say"

You can certainly justify running over someone who forcefully stops you in the middle of a highway and starts attacking you. The law works both ways. Kind of funny how a lot of them are crying foul and want the guy in the Range Rover arrested yet showed complete disregard for any laws in dozens of videos posted online.

Lothario · 10-02-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Yep, these guys keep you in business.

yes sir.

on topic... i can see both sides of this situation. i can blame and defend both sides as well. but at the end of the days my views are this.

absolutely nobody handled this situation properly. theres no excuse for either parties to act the way they did. this is not how civilized humans should treat each other

Chuck33079 · 10-02-2013, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

What you didn't see is them hitting the Range Rover and slashing his front tire. You see 50 guys on bikes riding in a group stopping you on the highway, your first thought isn't going to be hmmmm...."I wonder what this nice gentleman on the motorcycle is going to say"

You can certainly justify running over someone who forcefully stops you in the middle of a highway and starts attacking you. The law works both ways. Kind of funny how a lot of them are crying foul and want the guy in the Range Rover arrested yet showed complete disregard for any laws in dozens of videos posted online.

His reaction was completely justified by the situation. I don't feel too bad for Stunter McCrippleson since being a part of a mob tends to end badly for people, even if they aren't the worst one in the mob.

Red__Zed · 10-02-2013, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

What you didn't see is them hitting the Range Rover and slashing his front tire. You see 50 guys on bikes riding in a group stopping you on the highway, your first thought isn't going to be hmmmm...."I wonder what this nice gentleman on the motorcycle is going to say"

You can certainly justify running over someone who forcefully stops you in the middle of a highway and starts attacking you. The law works both ways. Kind of funny how a lot of them are crying foul and want the guy in the Range Rover arrested yet showed complete disregard for any laws in dozens of videos posted online.

I've not seen anything backing up those claims of the hitting/tire slashing in the first incident. I'm not sure how you can tell your tires are being slashed from inside a car, either.

If that was happening, you can certainly change the equation, though I'm not a lawyer and unclear on where the transition is. Legally, running someone over is more or less equivalent to shooting them. Could he have shot the biker he ran over?

Breaking one law doesn't necessarily give someone else carte blanche to infringe on your rights. The fact that I'm driving like a jerk doesn't mean that you can hit and run, and then run over my friend. Driving over someone like that requires that you have a reasonable fear for your life/safety.

Every state has their own laws on deadly force, but I'm pretty sure NYs are not as favorable (as, say, Florida).

10-02-2013, 09:56 AM	#49 (permalink)
ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 16	The connection there...is ridiculous. I'm still relatively new and in no way part of any groups on here, but I've really not seen anything that even remotely seems rude or insulting, and certainly nothing in comparison to the trolls and children and idiots from various other car forums. This place has been an oasis, to be honest. Anyway, this is escalating when it really shouldn't be. Mr&Mrs likes this.

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10-02-2013, 09:53 AM	#47 (permalink)
Lothario Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: florida Posts: 361 Drives: nikes Rep Power: 14	ive seen so many condescending, self righteous, down right ignorant and rude posts on this forum. most the times aimed at people that ask simple questions. heaven forbid a newbie comes on here and insults half the gods of nissan here with their lack of awe inspiring knowledge. then just like these bikers a pack of arrogant Z owners jumps all over them. its disappointing. there are some good people on here, but definitely arent as common as the more negative members. and yes i do realize now ill be a target for some good ol online flaming. but i could care a less. im just stating my opinion based on numerous examples ive seen. its a shame

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