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Originally Posted by Red__Zed There's zero evidence of when or how the tires got slashed. Taking down the RR guy would generally be disallowed, although the fact that he hit

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There's zero evidence of when or how the tires got slashed.


Taking down the RR guy would generally be disallowed, although the fact that he hit and run complicates things, as most states enforce as a felony.

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Coupled with the belief of observed attempted murder/manslaughter, you could probably make a good case for the chase/apprehension. If the driver was knifed as he claimed, things get tougher for the biker responsible, as well as if there's any evidence pointing to needless beating, etc. The fact that he's alive and was released from the hospital in ~2 hrs indicates that there was probably not much gratuitous beating.

Future videos could tell a lot.
There's a 911 call while all this is happening and his wife in the passenger seat. Not a hit and run. He also clearly stops. There's no evidence we've seen that indicates when the tires were slashed, but the tires being slashed at the last incident can certainly be ruled out. A lot of what the bikers are saying is all hearsay. I've seen a few episodes of Law and Order too....

....Now who's claiming stuff that we have no evidence for.....The hospitals discharged him, but all that means is that his injuries are no longer life threatening. He'll likely have to follow up as an outpatient. The only reason the driver wasn't hurt more was the fact that people on the street eventually came to his aid....see the guy two guys.


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Unless they went out that day planning to treat annoying drivers like that, you would have a tough time sticking him with the behaviors of the group.
Here's your proof that they did just that: LiveLeak.com - More footage previous to Range Rover incident

Anyone who has any sympathy for the bikers is an idiot.
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I'd argue this was one of those cases, but a court will decide.



There's a lot of felonies getting slapped on the arrested bikers. Are you suggesting they'll all be dropped?
The legal system doesn't have a safety valve, which is why I said it breaks down....

Charges were already dropped/not pressed against the one. The felonies on the other guy will be hard to stick (he will probably wind up with some traffic misdemeanors sticking...I bet he plea bargains down)


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Yeah, and I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you believe that one!

If your friends decide to rob a bank while you happen to be in the car with them, well guess what? Your *** is going to jail.

Those guys should be thankful this didn't happen in TX. There would be a lot of dead bikers on the highway and their families would have gotten invoices to pay for the cleanup.
Dependent on the situation. There is plenty of precedent contrary to that claim.
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I'd love to see a transcript of the 911 call. I'm sure it'll get out at some point.
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There's a 911 call while all this is happening and his wife in the passenger seat. Not a hit and run. He also clearly stops. There's no evidence we've seen that indicates when the tires were slashed, but the tires being slashed at the last incident can certainly be ruled out. A lot of what the bikers are saying is all hearsay. I've seen a few episodes of Law and Order too....

....Now who's claiming stuff that we have no evidence for.....The hospitals discharged him, but all that means is that his injuries are no longer life threatening. He'll likely have to follow up as an outpatient. The only reason the driver wasn't hurt more was the fact that people on the street eventually came to his aid....see the guy two guys.
I'm telling you how the DA is going to look at the situation. You're the only one claiming unfounded things. I simply said he was released promptly, and if you think the bikers couldn't have killed him before the extra guys intervened, I think you are mistaken. Of course, the only reason for that may have been self-concern and legal maneuvering, but the reasoning doesn't really matter (from the court's perspective). At least some of the bikers have a pretty compelling story that largely keeps them clean.


There's no released evidence even saying that his tires were slashed, so the fact that is being assumed at this point shows how strongly biased perspectives may be.
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Here's your proof that they did just that: LiveLeak.com - More footage previous to Range Rover incident

Anyone who has any sympathy for the bikers is an idiot.

Those videos are a far cry from evidence of conspiracy to commit anything
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but vigilante justice on the guy in the Range Rover is hardly lawful either.
That's not vigilante justice. That's self-defense.
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There's no released evidence even saying that his tires were slashed, so the fact that is being assumed at this point shows how strongly biased perspectives may be.
The New York Post article confirms the slashed tires, as well as puts the time of slashing before the final stop of the chase.
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That's not vigilante justice. That's self-defense.
He's talking about wailing on the driver....
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The New York Post article confirms the slashed tires, as well as puts the time of slashing before the final stop of the chase.
Based on....?
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Those videos are a far cry from evidence of conspiracy to commit anything
They are evidence of a group of individuals breaking multiple laws and riding in a way that endangers the lives of others. Why do you think the guy deleted them off his Facebook page?

Are you seriously sticking up for these idiots?
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Has anyone heard when, in the sequence of events, the 911 call was placed?
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Based on....?
They didn't cite their sources.

You're a defense attorney, aren't you?
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They are evidence of a group of individuals breaking multiple laws and riding in a way that endangers the lives of others. Why do you think the guy deleted them off his Facebook page?

Are you seriously sticking up for these idiots?
Nope, just getting a slow and painful reminder about how clueless most people are about how our legal system operates.

Just because I think that all bikers like this should be sent out of the country, doesn't mean they don't have legal rights.
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I'm telling you how the DA is going to look at the situation. You're the only one claiming unfounded things. I simply said he was released promptly, and if you think the bikers couldn't have killed him before the extra guys intervened, I think you are mistaken. Of course, the only reason for that may have been self-concern and legal maneuvering, but the reasoning doesn't really matter (from the court's perspective). At least some of the bikers have a pretty compelling story that largely keeps them clean.


There's no released evidence even saying that his tires were slashed, so the fact that is being assumed at this point shows how strongly biased perspectives may be.
Sorry, I didn't realize you knew the DA. I'm just judging by what I saw in the video and what I see in the pictures. Like I said, that's just my opinion. The fact that you would rule it out completely kind of shows bias too. Just say'n.
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