Originally Posted by Tazicon (Post 2513055)

This is like picking a fight with a guy, getting beat up then you sue the guy you picked the fight with. This whole thing should have been stopped long before it escalated. The mom suing should look at her son and the way she raised him then sue herself for having been a crappy parent. If her son was raised right he wouldn't have been a part of those stupid actions.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2513078)

That's actually largely irrelevant. The bikers cannot use it as a defense as any immediate danger would have passed and it does little to change whether the RR driver was acting in self-defense when he sped off.

Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2513084)

Definitely depends if that "bystander" is part of the group or not. The biker victim may not have made any actual violent pretense, but as a part of the group he is still participating in intimidation and whatever else the group commits. Not as bad as the actual doers/leaders of the violence, but certainly still a participant.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2513041)

I guess passive-aggressiveness is your only option.

I'm no friend of guys like these bikers, and I'd prefer if the NYPD would toss them all in jail for their recorded behaviors. But following the law regarding escalation of force is very important.

Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2513090)

I mean to provide no defense for the bikers, just to be clear. :)

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2513037)

We'll just have to see how it plays out in court. What I believe based on what we've seen so far makes me think this is pretty clear self defense. You seem to disagree. It'll be interesting to see what additional information leaks out. I still want a transcript of the 911 call.

I'll bet you a six-pack the driver walks on all criminal and civil issues- you in?

Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2513062)

... Things do change slightly if there is video footage and/or third party witnesses about the RR cutting off the bikers. ...

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2513096)

I'm on your side, but fùck it, I'll bet you, lol

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2513091)

Not under US law (with limited exceptions).

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2513100)

I'm in if we make it a 48 pack.


You know what, forget the bet and let's grab some drinks :yum:

Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2513101)

If you can't tell who the bystanders are apart from the attackers, and they all appear to be part of the same group... Should the RR driver rolled down his window and politely asked for clarification?

The guy run over might have been the good samaritan of the group, but he is still part of the group that escalated things.

Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2513105)

I don't disagree with the principle (in this case) but it's a core principle upon which the English legal system was founded (and by extension, the US system).

You can imagine in other cases where this might not work out so favorably.