2024 Nissan Z Nismo Revealed with 420 HP / 384 LB-FT + Auto Transmission Only

tx11 · 07-31-2023, 09:32 PM

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ion-only.2048/

Averying · 08-01-2023, 05:43 AM

AT only. What a mistake to not offer the MT.

We all know the Supra is a faster, more modern car. The Z relies on its driving engagement to keep up with something like the Supra, and now we get AT only…

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danegrey · 08-01-2023, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Averying

AT only. What a mistake to not offer the MT.

We all know the Supra is a faster, more modern car. The Z relies on its driving engagement to keep up with something like the Supra, and now we get AT only…

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Just an AT might not be bad, just depends on well it works...
it is just the times, not sure that Nissan will learn from the Supra.

Averying · 08-01-2023, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by danegrey

Just an AT might not be bad, just depends on well it works...
it is just the times, not sure that Nissan will learn from the Supra.

Think about the backlash that the Supra got for being AT only… and that had a fantastic ZF 8 speed transmission! Compare that to the AT in the Z and it’s not even same league. If the new Z had the ZF 8 speed or a DCT, that’s a different story.

Note that I’m not hating on the AT as an option. I just think that the Z needs a MT to be relevant, and that the AT doesn’t compare to its rivals (Supra)

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NecioVato · 08-01-2023, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Averying

Think about the backlash that the Supra got for being AT only… and that had a fantastic ZF 8 speed transmission! Compare that to the AT in the Z and it’s not even same league. If the new Z had the ZF 8 speed or a DCT, that’s a different story.

Note that I’m not hating on the AT as an option. I just think that the Z needs a MT to be relevant, and that the AT doesn’t compare to its rivals (Supra)

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Haha…beat me to it. I agree - the ZF trans that the Supra has is a great transmission yet….purists are like ‘what about a manual’ - and if you throw in the exact same AT that the current Z has - EPIC FAIL! Anyway - hoping that Nissan will correct this wrong with the Nismo coming out in the future.

blackcherry20 · 08-01-2023, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Averying

AT only. What a mistake to not offer the MT.

We all know the Supra is a faster, more modern car. The Z relies on its driving engagement to keep up with something like the Supra, and now we get AT only…

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What?
Why?

Averying · 08-01-2023, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

What?
Why?

If you watch any head to head review, they will say that the Z has more driver engagement which would make it a more ‘exciting’ car to some people, while the Supra is undoubtedly a better platform, more power, grip, handling, etc.

So for the most exciting Nissan Z you take away the manual, which gives the majority of the driver engagement? Which is the Z’s selling point. Blah

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ZoomZ · 08-01-2023, 10:19 AM

Don't worry, Manual will be coming n V2. LOL

Spooler · 08-01-2023, 11:27 AM

Pass

Averying · 08-01-2023, 03:56 PM

Other thoughts…

Hopefully the tire change makes a big difference. Never heard of Dunlop SP sportmaxx tires.

Curious why they fitting the Nismo with some larger 4 piston Akebonos. Seems like fitting GTR 6 pistons would have been a nice parts bin upgrade with minimal re-engineering needed.

Front bumper is a vast improvement, but still doesn’t match the V1 Nismo long-nose.

Seems they made some effort to make the necessary changes from the 370Z platform. Clutch type diff, wider front wheels, etc. I wonder if the front sway bar is stiffer in proportion to the rear, as is the typical upgrade for the 370Z.

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danegrey · 08-01-2023, 05:42 PM

here is the reality. this is from autoweek....

But we really can't complain. In the current market it's a miracle that any carmaker is still selling sports cars. So far this year Nissan has sold only 996 Zs in the U.S. Compare that to almost 150,000 Rogue compact crossovers in the same time period. Nissan blames at least some of the slow sales on remnants of the chip supply problem. But larger than that is the market's obsession with crossover utility vehicles like the Rogue.

The closest competitor, the BMW-based Toyota Supra, brought in almost 5000 sales last year and is on track to move over 3000 this year.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a44693...at-everything/

Also it quoted the following:
Nissan execs said that owners they spoke with wanted faster laps times with a Z NISMO, and the fastest lap time came from the automatic.

so who are they talking too? truthful for tracking an auto is easier and faster, not as much fun, but it is.

Averying · 08-01-2023, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by danegrey

So far this year [B]Nissan has sold only 996 Zs in the U.S.

Wonder how this number will change after cars are getting delivered at a normal rate (there were production supply issues right?), as well as the dealer markups relaxing.

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NorthStyle · 08-02-2023, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Averying

Wonder how this number will change after cars are getting delivered at a normal rate (there were production supply issues right?), as well as the dealer markups relaxing.

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Exactly, fix the dealer markups (or open the option to purchasing directly from the manufacturer in the spec you want) and the sales will be there.

FL 4Motion · 08-05-2023, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey

here is the reality. this is from autoweek....

But we really can't complain. In the current market it's a miracle that any carmaker is still selling sports cars. So far this year Nissan has sold only 996 Zs in the U.S. Compare that to almost 150,000 Rogue compact crossovers in the same time period. Nissan blames at least some of the slow sales on remnants of the chip supply problem. But larger than that is the market's obsession with crossover utility vehicles like the Rogue.

The closest competitor, the BMW-based Toyota Supra, brought in almost 5000 sales last year and is on track to move over 3000 this year.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a44693...at-everything/

Also it quoted the following:
Nissan execs said that owners they spoke with wanted faster laps times with a Z NISMO, and the fastest lap time came from the automatic.

so who are they talking too? truthful for tracking an auto is easier and faster, not as much fun, but it is.

At this point any sports cars other than a Miata that are sub 100k is a win for us enthusiasts imo.

Also, the Z has a new 9 sp at now correct? So while I wish it had a dsg or at least a good zf at trans, perhaps this new auto will be better than the shitty 7 speed from last gen.

I really like the new nismo, would look great in the stable next to our TT RS.

vtec to vvel · 08-20-2023, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danegrey

here is the reality. this is from autoweek....

But we really can't complain. In the current market it's a miracle that any carmaker is still selling sports cars. So far this year Nissan has sold only 996 Zs in the U.S. Compare that to almost 150,000 Rogue compact crossovers in the same time period. Nissan blames at least some of the slow sales on remnants of the chip supply problem. But larger than that is the market's obsession with crossover utility vehicles like the Rogue.

The closest competitor, the BMW-based Toyota Supra, brought in almost 5000 sales last year and is on track to move over 3000 this year.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a44693...at-everything/

Also it quoted the following:
Nissan execs said that owners they spoke with wanted faster laps times with a Z NISMO, and the fastest lap time came from the automatic.

so who are they talking too? truthful for tracking an auto is easier and faster, not as much fun, but it is.

This article is flawed IMO. Yes, there is still the global supply chain issues, namely the chip production, but the other side of this coin is the elevated interest rates. Unless someone is buying the new Z in cash, it is more difficult now to get qualified for loans.

Also, I'm curious to see how many Z's have been in production so far and how many of them were sent to the US market. Keep in mind, the bmw supra made a come back after a 20-year haitus, so the anticipation was there, whereas the Z line has been back in production for 20 years.

And I agree, it would be impossible for any human to keep up and shift gears as fast as a computer.

07-31-2023, 09:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
tx11 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2021 Location: USA Posts: 124 Drives: Nissan Z Rep Power: 104086	2024 Nissan Z Nismo Revealed with 420 HP / 384 LB-FT + Auto Transmission Only https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ion-only.2048/ FL 4Motion and KapitalZ like this.

08-01-2023, 05:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Averying Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 476 Drives: '09 370Z, '03 G35 Rep Power: 14420	AT only. What a mistake to not offer the MT. We all know the Supra is a faster, more modern car. The Z relies on its driving engagement to keep up with something like the Supra, and now we get AT only… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk NecioVato, danegrey, Rusty and 1 others like this. __________________ 2009 Sport Touring \| Platinum Graphite \| GTM Stage 1 Supercharger \| BC BR Coilovers \| Hotchkis Swaybar \| Z1 FUCAs \| AME TM-02 Wheels \| Z1 2-piece Front Rotors \| Z1 Clutch & Flywheel \| Invidia Gemini Catback \| GTM Resonated Test Pipes

08-01-2023, 10:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
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08-01-2023, 03:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
Averying Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 476 Drives: '09 370Z, '03 G35 Rep Power: 14420	Other thoughts… Hopefully the tire change makes a big difference. Never heard of Dunlop SP sportmaxx tires. Curious why they fitting the Nismo with some larger 4 piston Akebonos. Seems like fitting GTR 6 pistons would have been a nice parts bin upgrade with minimal re-engineering needed. Front bumper is a vast improvement, but still doesn’t match the V1 Nismo long-nose. Seems they made some effort to make the necessary changes from the 370Z platform. Clutch type diff, wider front wheels, etc. I wonder if the front sway bar is stiffer in proportion to the rear, as is the typical upgrade for the 370Z. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk KapitalZ likes this. __________________ 2009 Sport Touring \| Platinum Graphite \| GTM Stage 1 Supercharger \| BC BR Coilovers \| Hotchkis Swaybar \| Z1 FUCAs \| AME TM-02 Wheels \| Z1 2-piece Front Rotors \| Z1 Clutch & Flywheel \| Invidia Gemini Catback \| GTM Resonated Test Pipes

08-01-2023, 05:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
danegrey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Knoxville Age: 72 Posts: 3,194 Drives: 12 370Z BK Cherry M6 Rep Power: 649540	here is the reality. this is from autoweek.... But we really can't complain. In the current market it's a miracle that any carmaker is still selling sports cars. So far this year Nissan has sold only 996 Zs in the U.S. Compare that to almost 150,000 Rogue compact crossovers in the same time period. Nissan blames at least some of the slow sales on remnants of the chip supply problem. But larger than that is the market's obsession with crossover utility vehicles like the Rogue. The closest competitor, the BMW-based Toyota Supra, brought in almost 5000 sales last year and is on track to move over 3000 this year. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a44693...at-everything/ Also it quoted the following: Nissan execs said that owners they spoke with wanted faster laps times with a Z NISMO, and the fastest lap time came from the automatic. so who are they talking too? truthful for tracking an auto is easier and faster, not as much fun, but it is. FL 4Motion, blackcherry20, sx moneypit and 2 others like this. __________________ Lots of Changes the Z needs to be driven and driven hard for the car lives for it

08-01-2023, 11:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,044 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	Pass

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