Proto Z

takemorepills · 03-05-2021, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by viiv

I've been thinking about it.

350ZX and 370ZX just sounds horrible, which is why I am sure they didn't go with that.

But for the number '300', it's a unique situation where ZX just goes better with it than Z. Thus 300ZX just sounds better than 300Z.

I understand the X denoted luxury, and I know some people here see the Z35 as a more return to form of the original 240Z, but let's be honest the Z35 has more luxury than the Z32 could have ever dreamed of.

Remember 2+2's? They occurred about the same time as "ZX" nomenclature.

The Infiniti G and Q Coupes are basically 2+2 ZX's. Makes sense why Nissan decided to go back to Z for Y2K....

I think Z32's are more luxurious than the upcoming Z. Ignoring the typical push of modern progress, the intent for luxury in the Z32 era was greater than the upcoming Z. The Z32 had trick AC controls on the binnacle, option for back seats, leather and T-tops and it stood out against other cars in the market. The modern Z35 has nothing an Altima won't already have....aside from a serious approach to performance.

viiv · 03-05-2021, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by takemorepills

Remember 2+2's? They occurred about the same time as "ZX" nomenclature.

The Infiniti G and Q Coupes are basically 2+2 ZX's. Makes sense why Nissan decided to go back to Z for Y2K....

I think Z32's are more luxurious than the upcoming Z. Ignoring the typical push of modern progress, the intent for luxury in the Z32 era was greater than the upcoming Z. The Z32 had trick AC controls on the binnacle, option for back seats, leather and T-tops and it stood out against other cars in the market. The modern Z35 has nothing an Altima won't already have....aside from a serious approach to performance.

Yes I agree the modern Q60 is the hard fork from the Z32 2+2.

About the T-tops, with the reliability issues the Z34 Roadster faced, a Japanese source stated that this time for the Z35, Nissan was considering some sort of targa removable roof panel to debut in the 2nd or 3rd model year instead of a retractable roof roadster model.

Evildky · 03-06-2021, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by triso07

It would be different if it was the Nissan Z with a 3.0 badge, but the way Nissan does it is different as it's actually part of the naming convention itself. To compound on that it has essentially always risen with each model. It would be an interesting marketing exercise to release a name that goes backwards and is essentially named after pre-existing model.

240Z
260Z
280Z
300Z
350Z
370Z
300Z again?

That's why coupling it with displacement is challenging.

HP is no different as things can get awkward quickly.

Because instead of expressing the value in liters, or milliliters they chose decaliters which is an unusual unit of measure.
The Numerical value has always gone up because the displacement has always gone up or stayed the same in as with the 280Z and 280ZX, and the two generations of 300ZX
240Z (S30)= 2.4 liters, or 240 decaliters or 2400 milliliters
260Z (S30)= 2.6 liters, or 260 decaliters or 2600 milliliters
280Z (S30)= 2.8 liters, or 280 decaliters or 2800 milliliters
280ZX (S130)= 2.8 liters, or 280 decaliters or 2800 milliliters
300ZX (Z31)= 3.0 liters, or 300 decaliters or 3000 milliliters
300ZX (Z32)= 3.0 liters, or 300 decaliters or 3000 milliliters
350Z (Z33)= 3.5 liters, or 350 decaliters or 3500 milliliters
370Z (Z34)= 3.7 liters, or 370 decaliters or 3700 milliliters
300Z (Z35)= 3.0 is the Obvious choice following the historical system

triso07 · 03-06-2021, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Evildky

Because instead of expressing the value in liters, or milliliters they chose decaliters which is an unusual unit of measure.
The Numerical value has always gone up because the displacement has always gone up or stayed the same in as with the 280Z and 280ZX, and the two generations of 300ZX
240Z (S30)= 2.4 liters, or 240 decaliters or 2400 milliliters
260Z (S30)= 2.6 liters, or 260 decaliters or 2600 milliliters
280Z (S30)= 2.8 liters, or 280 decaliters or 2800 milliliters
280ZX (S130)= 2.8 liters, or 280 decaliters or 2800 milliliters
300ZX (Z31)= 3.0 liters, or 300 decaliters or 3000 milliliters
300ZX (Z32)= 3.0 liters, or 300 decaliters or 3000 milliliters
350Z (Z33)= 3.5 liters, or 350 decaliters or 3500 milliliters
370Z (Z34)= 3.7 liters, or 370 decaliters or 3700 milliliters
300Z (Z35)= 3.0 is the Obvious choice following the historical system

Yes I understand that very obvious observation. The name increased because the unit of measure increased. That's my whole point. Coupling the name with the engine puts you in a weird spot from a business and marketing standpoint. The general public is going to see this progression ... 350z -> 370z -> 300z and be confused.

What happens if a future Z is electric? Coupling name to power plant or HP creates marketing challenges.

geeteezee · 03-06-2021, 09:39 AM

Rather than be confused, I think the vast majority simply won't care or will be ignorant of the odd naming change. Those that realize the backwards shift will likely think 'retro' and be done with it.

takemorepills · 03-06-2021, 10:59 AM

If they call it 400Z (highly highly doubt that) I would just debadge it.
I debadged my Q60 simply because all Nissan/Infiniti did for my 2014 coupe was change the name from G37 Coupe to Q60. I disagreed with it and removed all 3.7 and Q60 badges (the "3.7" badges were tasteless and goofy looking, added on during the Q transition).

But, come on. Nissan is trying to acknowledge the Z lineage. 400 would seriously be totally arbitrary. They have shown the car with "Fairlady Z" badging, and most enthusiasts are already quite familiar with that name already. It may end up being Fairlady Z and everyone will be having a "duh!" moment!

If Nissan doesn't do it, I'm going to add the "TWIN TURBO" decal from the Z32 on the rear panel just like on the Z32s.

Andaesthetics · 03-07-2021, 11:26 PM

Honestly I hope they just call it "Z". Keep it simple like with the GT-R. I don't think these sports cars need numerical nomenclature anymore. Nissan Z. End of debate.

Evildky · 03-08-2021, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by takemorepills

If they call it 400Z (highly highly doubt that) I would just debadge it.
I debadged my Q60 simply because all Nissan/Infiniti did for my 2014 coupe was change the name from G37 Coupe to Q60. I disagreed with it and removed all 3.7 and Q60 badges (the "3.7" badges were tasteless and goofy looking, added on during the Q transition).

But, come on. Nissan is trying to acknowledge the Z lineage. 400 would seriously be totally arbitrary. They have shown the car with "Fairlady Z" badging, and most enthusiasts are already quite familiar with that name already. It may end up being Fairlady Z and everyone will be having a "duh!" moment!

If Nissan doesn't do it, I'm going to add the "TWIN TURBO" decal from the Z32 on the rear panel just like on the Z32s.

Agree on all points, "Fairlady Z" or even just "Z" would be better than an arbitrary number.

The bigger issue is we are on a website considered to be the authority on the current Z model and for them to name a forum for the upcoming model isn't surprising, it is however surprising to see them use the name coined by someone with no knowledge of the traditional naming convention. instead of calling it "Propt Z', Or New Z" or "Next Z" is just disappointing.

Also someone mentioned the 2+2 coming along wiht the ZX and that's not accurate. The 2+2 was introduced on the 74 260Z, which was the middle of the S30 production, the 280ZX wasn't introduced until 1979.

SouthArk370Z · 03-08-2021, 09:20 AM

Y'all can call me anything but late for supper.

takemorepills · 03-08-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Evildky

Also someone mentioned the 2+2 coming along wiht the ZX and that's not accurate. The 2+2 was introduced on the 74 260Z, which was the middle of the S30 production, the 280ZX wasn't introduced until 1979.

I mentioned they came to be "about the same time".
2+2, T-Tops, and "ZX" within a few years.
Come on man! Cut me a break! The oldest Z I've ever been around was my friend's 1979 280ZX. Anything prior to that is just foggy.

Evildky · 08-24-2021, 05:12 PM

Now can we change this section name to something more appropriate?

03-06-2021, 09:39 AM	#35 (permalink)
geeteezee Base Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Ontario Posts: 191 Drives: 19 370z Heritage EAC Rep Power: 3361	Rather than be confused, I think the vast majority simply won't care or will be ignorant of the odd naming change. Those that realize the backwards shift will likely think 'retro' and be done with it. SouthArk370Z likes this. __________________

03-06-2021, 10:59 AM	#36 (permalink)
takemorepills Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 196 Drives: Q60 3.7 AWD Rep Power: 6717	If they call it 400Z (highly highly doubt that) I would just debadge it. I debadged my Q60 simply because all Nissan/Infiniti did for my 2014 coupe was change the name from G37 Coupe to Q60. I disagreed with it and removed all 3.7 and Q60 badges (the "3.7" badges were tasteless and goofy looking, added on during the Q transition). But, come on. Nissan is trying to acknowledge the Z lineage. 400 would seriously be totally arbitrary. They have shown the car with "Fairlady Z" badging, and most enthusiasts are already quite familiar with that name already. It may end up being Fairlady Z and everyone will be having a "duh!" moment! If Nissan doesn't do it, I'm going to add the "TWIN TURBO" decal from the Z32 on the rear panel just like on the Z32s. Connelly and Evildky like this.

03-07-2021, 11:26 PM	#37 (permalink)
Andaesthetics Base Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: PA Posts: 115 Drives: 14' Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 3362	Honestly I hope they just call it "Z". Keep it simple like with the GT-R. I don't think these sports cars need numerical nomenclature anymore. Nissan Z. End of debate. sx moneypit, NissanFreak81 and takemorepills like this.

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