Unimpressed by the 400z

Voice59 · 01-06-2021, 10:30 PM

I really think Nissan missed the mark on this one... To be honest you could probably post a slightly modded 370 interior and nobody would be the wiser. The interior, electronics/interface, and the transmission are already outdated and the car isn't even out yet. The exterior has potential, but it seems for some reason Nissan has fallen behind when it comes to innovation. Every "new" Nissan still has styling or technology from 10 years ago. It's a shame... I was so hopeful.

SouthArk370Z · 01-06-2021, 10:32 PM

I still like the way a 1965 Mustang looks. Same for any year 370Z. Some designs are ageless. YMMV

Voice59 · 01-06-2021, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z

I still like the way a 1965 Mustang looks. Same for any year 370Z. Some designs are ageless. YMMV

Oh, I'm with you for the 370, or classic cars. But I think the time for the. "retro" look has come and pass here on the domestic market. Ford, Dodge, and Chevy have taken note and either have or are attempting to revitalize the aesthetics and technology in their vehicles. Honestly it seems like EVERY other manufacturer is looking to update their inventory with something that at least looks "innovative and futuristic". But good ol' Nissan and Infiniti are literally producing new cars with technology that was considered "dated" 7-10 years ago.

Voice59 · 01-06-2021, 10:44 PM

I just can't justify spending the amount of money they're going to ask for that car, for the aesthetics, technology, and performance it's going to have. They took beautiful cars and mashed them together to produce something...not as appealing. Something boring... And mind you, that's the concept. That's their "oh let's blow their mind" draft. The production model I imagine will be far less....well....everything.

takemorepills · 01-07-2021, 12:21 AM

Totally disagree with OP on all points.

I can't wait for the new 300Z Twin Turbo!

axmea? · 01-07-2021, 04:24 AM

Lol. I get your point but wait 'til it becomes available and one blows by you stock and no tune. Also, there's not a good business reason for Nissan to put in more than they have to.

-ZS-Carpenter · 01-07-2021, 07:22 AM

triso07 · 01-07-2021, 10:02 AM

You're entitled to your opinion. You raise some valid points, but I think Nissan saw an opportunity in the market to pull some Supra buyers and maybe pull some muscle car buyers by leveraging some existing tech they have without investing much in a new platform. This was most likely the ONLY way we were getting a new Z. They're investing in electric and other more profitable vehicles than the Z, since most sports cars, unfortunately, do not sell well these days.

I'll hold my thoughts on performance until those stats are released and until the drive reviews come back. I would imagine it's 400hp at around 3400lbs. Which is a pretty nice balance relative to something like a Mustang which is 480hp at 3900lbs. With the twin-turbo setup you'll have tuning potential that was much more challenging for 350-370 engines. Power will not be expensive to make relative to those cars (if that's your thing).

I love the design as it hits the heart strings by attaching itself to the older models. I've wanted a 240z inspired retro design for a long time and this is probably the closest we'll ever come. Some of the design elements don't seem to mesh well together, but the car is still a clean beautiful design in an age of excess vents and styling. The aftermarket can provide more here as well.

The benefit of using an existing platform/motor/transmission is reliability and cost. I do get that it's not as exciting, but, most of the kinks will have been worked out and they didn't have to invest in new tech for this project. On top of that, you'll get a more old school feel in this car, which is something that most enthusiasts say they want.

Lvcky69 · 01-07-2021, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Voice59

I just can't justify spending the amount of money they're going to ask for that car, for the aesthetics, technology, and performance it's going to have. They took beautiful cars and mashed them together to produce something...not as appealing. Something boring... And mind you, that's the concept. That's their "oh let's blow their mind" draft. The production model I imagine will be far less....well....everything.

They did say 98% of the concept will be identical to the final production..

Voice59 · 01-07-2021, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by axmea?

Lol. I get your point but wait 'til it becomes available and one blows by you stock and no tune. Also, there's not a good business reason for Nissan to put in more than they have to.

LOL. I doubt that will happen. And I don't think it's putting in more than they have to.. I just feel that their spirit of innovation has called it quits.

Voice59 · 01-07-2021, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by triso07

You're entitled to your opinion. You raise some valid points, but I think Nissan saw an opportunity in the market to pull some Supra buyers and maybe pull some muscle car buyers by leveraging some existing tech they have without investing much in a new platform. This was most likely the ONLY way we were getting a new Z. They're investing in electric and other more profitable vehicles than the Z, since most sports cars, unfortunately, do not sell well these days.

I'll hold my thoughts on performance until those stats are released and until the drive reviews come back. I would imagine it's 400hp at around 3400lbs. Which is a pretty nice balance relative to something like a Mustang which is 480hp at 3900lbs. With the twin-turbo setup you'll have tuning potential that was much more challenging for 350-370 engines. Power will not be expensive to make relative to those cars (if that's your thing).

I love the design as it hits the heart strings by attaching itself to the older models. I've wanted a 240z inspired retro design for a long time and this is probably the closest we'll ever come. Some of the design elements don't seem to mesh well together, but the car is still a clean beautiful design in an age of excess vents and styling. The aftermarket can provide more here as well.

The benefit of using an existing platform/motor/transmission is reliability and cost. I do get that it's not as exciting, but, most of the kinks will have been worked out and they didn't have to invest in new tech for this project. On top of that, you'll get a more old school feel in this car, which is something that most enthusiasts say they want.

If you're going to go through the dog and pony show of unveiling a "new" Z why is it using technology from cars you had 10 years ago? I honestly think that lack of innovation is why Nissan/Infiniti is hurting the way they are. Not just in the Z's but across their whole line up. I'd be on board if they stuck to one Z car to base their retro style on....but all of them? I dunno man... Renders with aftermarket parts on it make it look great, but damn...I absolutely cannot appreciate that car in it's stock form.

sunkist350z · 01-08-2021, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by -ZS-Carpenter

The new z is not even out yet lol

triso07 · 01-08-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Voice59

If you're going to go through the dog and pony show of unveiling a "new" Z why is it using technology from cars you had 10 years ago? I honestly think that lack of innovation is why Nissan/Infiniti is hurting the way they are. Not just in the Z's but across their whole line up. I'd be on board if they stuck to one Z car to base their retro style on....but all of them? I dunno man... Renders with aftermarket parts on it make it look great, but damn...I absolutely cannot appreciate that car in it's stock form.

Because they want to sell these?

They need to drum up excitement and anticipation and show their potential customers that there IS actually a new Z on the way.

Maybe you aren't a customer because they didn't do enough in your eyes, but did you really think they were just going to low-key launch the Z and go here's a new Z, not much to it, maybe buy it maybe don't?

Lvcky69 · 01-08-2021, 11:03 AM

If i have to choose between the new Supra and the Z. I'd go for the new Z. The manual trans gives it away and i'm digging the look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK0U...KelleyBlueBook

viiv · 01-08-2021, 11:34 AM

You don't really have a choice.

Massachusetts just joined California with a 2035 ICE ban. So did Japan.

The next generation of sports cars is probably the last. Take it or leave it, there won't be a 450Z to hold out for.

01-06-2021, 10:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Voice59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Va Beach, Virginia Posts: 1,418 Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	Unimpressed by the 400z I really think Nissan missed the mark on this one... To be honest you could probably post a slightly modded 370 interior and nobody would be the wiser. The interior, electronics/interface, and the transmission are already outdated and the car isn't even out yet. The exterior has potential, but it seems for some reason Nissan has fallen behind when it comes to innovation. Every "new" Nissan still has styling or technology from 10 years ago. It's a shame... I was so hopeful. xfrgtr, Memphis370Z, FrankH and 1 others like this. __________________ Amuse//GTM//Stance//Z1//ONEighty//Defi//VolkRacing//FLy1Motorsports Seibon//FastIntentions//Zspeed//Mishimoto//EBC//Innovate//Defi//Ichiba Quaife//RJM//Galeforce//ShineAuto//TWM//IG @n0w_u_z_me

01-06-2021, 10:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
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01-06-2021, 10:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Voice59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Va Beach, Virginia Posts: 1,418 Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	I just can't justify spending the amount of money they're going to ask for that car, for the aesthetics, technology, and performance it's going to have. They took beautiful cars and mashed them together to produce something...not as appealing. Something boring... And mind you, that's the concept. That's their "oh let's blow their mind" draft. The production model I imagine will be far less....well....everything. __________________ Amuse//GTM//Stance//Z1//ONEighty//Defi//VolkRacing//FLy1Motorsports Seibon//FastIntentions//Zspeed//Mishimoto//EBC//Innovate//Defi//Ichiba Quaife//RJM//Galeforce//ShineAuto//TWM//IG @n0w_u_z_me

01-07-2021, 12:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
takemorepills Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 196 Drives: Q60 3.7 AWD Rep Power: 6716	Totally disagree with OP on all points. I can't wait for the new 300Z Twin Turbo! DarkJak, gurneyeagle, MZ DAIZY and 1 others like this.

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axmea? A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,236 Drives: WELL ZED PW 6MT Rep Power: 53241	Lol. I get your point but wait 'til it becomes available and one blows by you stock and no tune. Also, there's not a good business reason for Nissan to put in more than they have to. DarkJak, Voice59, jchammond and 1 others like this. __________________ >MyZ's Album< NISMO Convert/ECUTEK/Takeda CAI/F.I. HFC NR CB Carbon/F.I. 34 Row Oil Cooler/4.08 Final Drive /Powertrix+Swifts/Hotchkis/SPL/Whiteline/TWM/Zoom Engineering/EVO-R/AeroJacket Vented CF Fenders + CF Spoiler/Avant Garde-WORK/NST/Morimoto Halo/STi Clear Lenses/Carbon Signal Automotive/RJM Performance/ZSpeed Clutch Flywheel CSC delete Last edited by axmea?; 01-07-2021 at 04:26 AM.

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01-07-2021, 10:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
triso07 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 174 Drives: xxxxxxx Rep Power: 14	You're entitled to your opinion. You raise some valid points, but I think Nissan saw an opportunity in the market to pull some Supra buyers and maybe pull some muscle car buyers by leveraging some existing tech they have without investing much in a new platform. This was most likely the ONLY way we were getting a new Z. They're investing in electric and other more profitable vehicles than the Z, since most sports cars, unfortunately, do not sell well these days. I'll hold my thoughts on performance until those stats are released and until the drive reviews come back. I would imagine it's 400hp at around 3400lbs. Which is a pretty nice balance relative to something like a Mustang which is 480hp at 3900lbs. With the twin-turbo setup you'll have tuning potential that was much more challenging for 350-370 engines. Power will not be expensive to make relative to those cars (if that's your thing). I love the design as it hits the heart strings by attaching itself to the older models. I've wanted a 240z inspired retro design for a long time and this is probably the closest we'll ever come. Some of the design elements don't seem to mesh well together, but the car is still a clean beautiful design in an age of excess vents and styling. The aftermarket can provide more here as well. The benefit of using an existing platform/motor/transmission is reliability and cost. I do get that it's not as exciting, but, most of the kinks will have been worked out and they didn't have to invest in new tech for this project. On top of that, you'll get a more old school feel in this car, which is something that most enthusiasts say they want. FL 4Motion, NecioVato, DarkJak and 3 others like this. Last edited by triso07; 01-07-2021 at 10:29 AM.

01-08-2021, 11:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
Lvcky69 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Miami Posts: 385 Drives: 17 370z & 16 911 S Rep Power: 3922	If i have to choose between the new Supra and the Z. I'd go for the new Z. The manual trans gives it away and i'm digging the look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK0U...KelleyBlueBook FL 4Motion, sunkist350z, Spoiler and 1 others like this.

01-08-2021, 11:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
viiv Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Montreal Posts: 294 Drives: 20 Nissan 370Z PR M6 Rep Power: 34016	You don't really have a choice. Massachusetts just joined California with a 2035 ICE ban. So did Japan. The next generation of sports cars is probably the last. Take it or leave it, there won't be a 450Z to hold out for. MZ DAIZY and takemorepills like this.

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