Unimpressed by the 400z

Voice59

That's what I was getting at. I can't fault a company for using the cost effective option in order to stay in business. But as someone who has seen a car I own last a decade unchanged I was really hoping that the new car would be just that...new. And while people will consider it having the 3.0t a new engine, even that will be 4-5 years old by the time it's released.

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NecioVato

I completely get where you're coming from but a couple of questions:
1. Would you rather Nissan partner with another car maker such as Toyota with Subaru or Toyota with BMW with the making of the BRZ/FRS or the Supra? Basically one could say that the Supra doesn't have much in other than the shell, QA of the car and a tune?

2. Considering the R&D that would be needed to build a new engine - would you be willing to pay much more than lets say $45k for a new engine and new technology?

Considering they already have a twin turbo for the Q - why not use the same engine and technology - work on adding a manual to it - and work out the kinks - maybe look at the existing shortcomings of the Q60 and look to improve on that for the new Z. This way your focus can be on things such as the shell, the improvement of the engine and other things to make it a revision as far as teh engine of the Q60 and giving the looks and interior tech of the new Z.

I don't know - again, I understand that the hype makes it seem like this would be a BRAND NEW car and it feels more like a refresh that should have happened several years ago.

Voice59

1. Would I prefer Nissan were able to produce a wholly new car on their own? Yes.

But if it took collaborating with another manufacture to produce something fresh and innovative, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it. Just as long as the car was mostly Nissan (if that makes sense).


2. Yeah, if Nissan were to produce a real banger, I'd pay the money for it. If the Nismo version of the Z was a 4L twin turbo with a kick *** transmission and suspension, I'd feel justified paying a bit more. Hell, I was in the market for a Q60 Black S had they followed through with their ambitions.

3. I'm not knocking them for using the engine. I'm knocking them for deciding to do it so late. I feel like the introduction of the Q50/Q60 and the VR30 platform should've been when it took place. I mean they've had a solid twin turbo V6 since what? 2009. The kinks have been worked out. If they want to take a twin turbo engine/set up from one of their own, they could've literally just handed that down to the Z in 2015, and made a new platform for the GTR. The most "innovative" thing they did for the Z in the past 10 years was add Recaro seats to the Nismo.

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To the OP, complaining about a "lack of innovation" on the upcoming "400Z", what do you think they should have done? I like the simplicity. Less stuff to break. Tech for tech's sake sucks.

I have a 2017 370Z which through an aftermarket head unit has Android Auto. The only things that I wish the car could have is blind spot monitoring and ventilated seats would be great too.

I understand Nissan's budget on the 400Z was around $240 million. A total new design from the ground up on a new chassis is over a billion. I'm amazed that they are going to release a 400Z at all, considering Nissan's rough last few years and the world economic doldrums we are in. They don't sell enough of cars like this to justify dropping a billion on a total new design.

If Nissan had done a total new design from the ground up, 400Z's or whatever they would have called it would probably start at $50K and go up from there.

The new 400Z will have a V6 twin turbo, 6-speed manual or probably a 9-speed auto, updated safety features and blind spot monitoring, updated infotainment, revised chassis, good build quality/fit and finish, and great looks. What more is there to want for a reasonable price?

-ZS-Carpenter

The most worthless annoying nanny feature you could ask for. Adjust your mirrors properly and there is no blind spot.

Loading down the new Z with useless nanny features is nothing I'm interested in. Go get a mini van if you want that junk

Rusty

Yea.......Who wants a sports car that is overloaded with tech features that takes away from the driving experience.

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viiv

You guys do realize the new Z will have automated emergency braking right? That 'nanny feature' will become mandatory on all new cars from 2022 onward.

Rusty

That's one of the reasons I won't be buying a new sports car. Too many nannies.

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JARblue

There's a fuse removal for that

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Voice59

So they're going to put the same engine from the Q60, more than likely the same manual transmission from the current model Z, but put in a brand new 9 speed auto? LOL. Ok man...

Here's a quote from Car and Driver:

Like its beastly brother, the Nissan GT-R, the 400Z is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V-6. But, instead of the fire-breathing 565-hp 3.8-liter that’s under the hood of the GT-R, the 400Z will likely get the 300-hp 3.0-liter mill from the Infiniti Q60. It's also possible that high-performance NISMO variant could get the 400-hp version of that engine that's currently exclusive to the Q60 Red Sport 400. While all-wheel drive is available in the Infiniti, we expect Nissan will stick with rear-wheel drive exclusively for the 400Z. Nissan has promised a six-speed manual transmission as standard, but we expect that a seven-speed automatic will also be offered as an option.

And although this article is old, I haven't seen any others that mention a 9 speed auto.

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I'm on the fence. My Genesis coupe is paid off. Its getting a little long in the tooth. Its a GREAT GT car for south Florida. It is NOT a sports car like my '13 Z was. This 400Z is a day late and a dollar short IMHO. The tech is already outdated (yes, that stuff matters to alot of potential buyers, including myself). The powerplant is no surprise. Im happy with it but not overjoyed. Obviously, I understand why they used it. Styling is so-so. I like the wheels and rear, side and front is just meh. Im very disappointed a DCT isnt an option. My slushbox auto 8 in my Genesis feels like a bulldozer compared to my girlfriends DCT in her Veloster. If I lived in Montana id get a manual, not so in south Florida traffic. No DCT, thats a deal breaker for me. So I plan on driving my Genny into the ground and having no car payment for a while. Until I get the itch...Hyundai/Genesis......https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

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NecioVato

With the way cars hold their value - in particular Hyundai (well I guess you could say ALL of them except maybe Hondas and Toyotas); if you can wait it out for 2yrs - probably be able to find a used one for a really good price. I know I'm going to hold out for a couple of years with my current Z - mod it a little and then see what comes of the used car market - I would like to get a CTR if possible but the Veloster N is definitely high on the list. Keep the Z bc the value won't be worth trading it in at that point and use the new car as a daily for the most part.

2017370ZBlack

The GT-R's twin turbo engine is hand-built by a group of 4 guys. Would cost too much to put that engine into a Z. Perhaps they could have taken the GT-R's engine and built it on an assembly line instead, thus lowering the costs. You're wanting Nissan to sell a 565hp car for $50K. LOL

Voice59

I didn't mention anything about wanting them to sell a car for $50k. In fact I believe I eluded to being willing to pay more for a car that performed. So...I'm not sure where you're going with this...but thanks for your input. It was....helpful?

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