Unimpressed by the 400z

abm89

I'm just gonna stay slow in my Z lol. Everyone else is already faster anyway.

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triso07

In this day and age you will get smoked by a 4 door electric truck. The days of visually appealing sports cars being fastest are over.

These days you have to buy sports cars because of the intangibles.The look you like, the way you feel driving it, etc.

Firebase99

I'm on the fence. My Genesis coupe is paid off. Its getting a little long in the tooth. Its a GREAT GT car for south Florida. It is NOT a sports car like my '13 Z was. This 400Z is a day late and a dollar short IMHO. The tech is already outdated (yes, that stuff matters to alot of potential buyers, including myself). The powerplant is no surprise. Im happy with it but not overjoyed. Obviously, I understand why they used it. Styling is so-so. I like the wheels and rear, side and front is just meh. Im very disappointed a DCT isnt an option. My slushbox auto 8 in my Genesis feels like a bulldozer compared to my girlfriends DCT in her Veloster. If I lived in Montana id get a manual, not so in south Florida traffic. No DCT, thats a deal breaker for me. So I plan on driving my Genny into the ground and having no car payment for a while. Until I get the itch...Hyundai/Genesis......https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

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NecioVato

With the way cars hold their value - in particular Hyundai (well I guess you could say ALL of them except maybe Hondas and Toyotas); if you can wait it out for 2yrs - probably be able to find a used one for a really good price. I know I'm going to hold out for a couple of years with my current Z - mod it a little and then see what comes of the used car market - I would like to get a CTR if possible but the Veloster N is definitely high on the list. Keep the Z bc the value won't be worth trading it in at that point and use the new car as a daily for the most part.

takemorepills

There currently are exactly ZERO electric trucks on the street smoking anything.

I know you mean Cybertruck and Hummer, but they aren't here yet.

And an electric truck is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I can definitely consider an EV car, but there's no way we'd be able to replace our ICE truck with an EV truck.
Unless you just want the most expensive, ostentatious way to smash on sports cars, I guess.

triso07

There's the Tesla Model X which is faster than most sports cars. There are only more trucks and sedans like this on the way with electric powertrains. Performance, in terms of straight line acceleration, is achievable by cars/trucks you would other wise never think to be fast. Pull up next to a model 3 performance and you'd get wrecked.

Buying sports cars these days is about the intangibles. Look, feel, drama, experience.

abm89

Maybe i'm missing something, but how exactly is an electric truck the stupidest thing? Provided the range is decent (something most EVs are working to solve right now), why wouldn't you want a truck with instant linear high-torque delivery? I spoke with a colleague of mine who I assumed was anti-electric, and he told me that he would go for an electric truck if it just had the range he needs to do weekend hunting trips.

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Spooler

Simple, towing. The range will be a major problem until battery tech get's up to speed. Plenty of TQ to tow, it is the range that is the problem.

abm89

Range is directly affected by the amount of towing that happens, just like with an ICE powerplant. Better range is a result of better battery tech, as is Towing. So my point still stands: I don't see how an electric truck is a stupid idea.

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Spooler

Tell ya what. You can pay for my truck. New truck's these days that I would need are 70 to 100k. Battery truck will probably be north of 120 to 150k. I will pass. It's not a good thing. Farmers, truck deliveries, Food/Goods to the grocery store will go way up, many things that you haven't thought about the price will increase dramatically. So, NO, trucks are not a good thing.

abm89

We're talking about the technical/performance reasons for an electric truck. You should have lead with the economic reasons first (and still not a stupid idea if and when the infrastructure is in place) instead of following up with a c*nty response like you normally do.

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Spooler

Am I aggravating you? Good cause IDGAF.

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triso07

So anyway, how about that Z proto?

takemorepills

OK, I am contributing to a thread de-rail, but you seem to be blind to some serious EV truck issues, so I'll try and keep it simple:

EV Truck (based on TFL's experience towing with a Tesla X):
If claimed 300 mile EV range, will be about 75 miles with a 5K load being towed
When "supercharging" an EV, there is a capacity limit, say 80% in 20-30 min at this time
Your distance to next fill up is now 60 miles. That's 1 hour of driving before you need to wait 20-30min for another supercharge.
Oh, and BTW superchargers must not be shared or else charging times increase
If you are off-roading and discharge your battery, good luck.
Most all charging stations don't fit a vehicle with a trailer attached
GVWR is a design challenge because a truck with long range and decent towing capacity will need a ton of batteries, which limits the payload and tongue weight.

My gas powered Titan:
Gets about 13mpg when towing 5K pounds. 6 mpg at 9K. So, between 170-300 miles of range. Let's say 300 miles at 5K, same as my EV example.
To refuel takes 5 minutes.
I can drive 4-5 hours at a time.
If I run out of fuel off-roading, a 30 pound 5gal can of gas will save me.

An ideal diesel 3/4 ton:
Gets great mpgs when towing, at least 50% better than my gas truck, and they usually have a 36 gallon tank. So, what, 500 miles of range+? And, diesel fuel economy changes very little due to load or hills, unlike the EV which is SEVERELY impacted by wind, load, hills.
To refuel takes 5 mines.
Can drive long enough to need a restroom break between fuel stops.
If you run out of fuel off-roading, a 30 pound 5gal fuel can of diesel will save you.

We tow all the time with my truck. Commonly a 300 mile round-trip.
I have done it on one tank of gas if I can restrain myself to 65mph.
That EV truck example would need at least 4 recharging stops, if not 5, adding at least 2 hours of down time, likely more.

I suppose you'll still want to argue these FACTS and real world realities of EV's, but I'll leave this at that, it is after all the new Z thread!