Unimpressed by the 400z

NecioVato

I completely get where you're coming from but a couple of questions:
1. Would you rather Nissan partner with another car maker such as Toyota with Subaru or Toyota with BMW with the making of the BRZ/FRS or the Supra? Basically one could say that the Supra doesn't have much in other than the shell, QA of the car and a tune?

2. Considering the R&D that would be needed to build a new engine - would you be willing to pay much more than lets say $45k for a new engine and new technology?

Considering they already have a twin turbo for the Q - why not use the same engine and technology - work on adding a manual to it - and work out the kinks - maybe look at the existing shortcomings of the Q60 and look to improve on that for the new Z. This way your focus can be on things such as the shell, the improvement of the engine and other things to make it a revision as far as teh engine of the Q60 and giving the looks and interior tech of the new Z.

I don't know - again, I understand that the hype makes it seem like this would be a BRAND NEW car and it feels more like a refresh that should have happened several years ago.

Voice59

1. Would I prefer Nissan were able to produce a wholly new car on their own? Yes.

But if it took collaborating with another manufacture to produce something fresh and innovative, I wouldn't turn my nose up at it. Just as long as the car was mostly Nissan (if that makes sense).


2. Yeah, if Nissan were to produce a real banger, I'd pay the money for it. If the Nismo version of the Z was a 4L twin turbo with a kick *** transmission and suspension, I'd feel justified paying a bit more. Hell, I was in the market for a Q60 Black S had they followed through with their ambitions.

3. I'm not knocking them for using the engine. I'm knocking them for deciding to do it so late. I feel like the introduction of the Q50/Q60 and the VR30 platform should've been when it took place. I mean they've had a solid twin turbo V6 since what? 2009. The kinks have been worked out. If they want to take a twin turbo engine/set up from one of their own, they could've literally just handed that down to the Z in 2015, and made a new platform for the GTR. The most "innovative" thing they did for the Z in the past 10 years was add Recaro seats to the Nismo.

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To the OP, complaining about a "lack of innovation" on the upcoming "400Z", what do you think they should have done? I like the simplicity. Less stuff to break. Tech for tech's sake sucks.

I have a 2017 370Z which through an aftermarket head unit has Android Auto. The only things that I wish the car could have is blind spot monitoring and ventilated seats would be great too.

I understand Nissan's budget on the 400Z was around $240 million. A total new design from the ground up on a new chassis is over a billion. I'm amazed that they are going to release a 400Z at all, considering Nissan's rough last few years and the world economic doldrums we are in. They don't sell enough of cars like this to justify dropping a billion on a total new design.

If Nissan had done a total new design from the ground up, 400Z's or whatever they would have called it would probably start at $50K and go up from there.

The new 400Z will have a V6 twin turbo, 6-speed manual or probably a 9-speed auto, updated safety features and blind spot monitoring, updated infotainment, revised chassis, good build quality/fit and finish, and great looks. What more is there to want for a reasonable price?

2017370ZBlack

The GT-R's twin turbo engine is hand-built by a group of 4 guys. Would cost too much to put that engine into a Z. Perhaps they could have taken the GT-R's engine and built it on an assembly line instead, thus lowering the costs. You're wanting Nissan to sell a 565hp car for $50K. LOL

Tractionless

Side pro is good, front looks like what Scion already failed at and the rear obviously pulled off the already ugly 240Z. Yup pun intended.

Couldn't care less about tech nor power making up for other low lights. If I did I wouldn't have taken the 420 hp hit to own a 370Z, yes previous platform had 750hp.

As for price, I can't justify the price of a new 370Z as I bought my '10 Sport Touring with 72k on it in 2016 for $15k (clean title, no wrecks etc., yes well bought) so obviously won't be able to for the 400 neither.

The 370Z will be the pinnacle for Nissan's design of the Z platform.

With what I view a an aesthetic fail in the 400Z next up for me will be 718 Porsche.

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abm89

I'm just gonna stay slow in my Z lol. Everyone else is already faster anyway.

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triso07

In this day and age you will get smoked by a 4 door electric truck. The days of visually appealing sports cars being fastest are over.

These days you have to buy sports cars because of the intangibles.The look you like, the way you feel driving it, etc.

takemorepills

There currently are exactly ZERO electric trucks on the street smoking anything.

I know you mean Cybertruck and Hummer, but they aren't here yet.

And an electric truck is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I can definitely consider an EV car, but there's no way we'd be able to replace our ICE truck with an EV truck.
Unless you just want the most expensive, ostentatious way to smash on sports cars, I guess.

abm89

Maybe i'm missing something, but how exactly is an electric truck the stupidest thing? Provided the range is decent (something most EVs are working to solve right now), why wouldn't you want a truck with instant linear high-torque delivery? I spoke with a colleague of mine who I assumed was anti-electric, and he told me that he would go for an electric truck if it just had the range he needs to do weekend hunting trips.

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Spooler

Simple, towing. The range will be a major problem until battery tech get's up to speed. Plenty of TQ to tow, it is the range that is the problem.

abm89

Range is directly affected by the amount of towing that happens, just like with an ICE powerplant. Better range is a result of better battery tech, as is Towing. So my point still stands: I don't see how an electric truck is a stupid idea.

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triso07

There's the Tesla Model X which is faster than most sports cars. There are only more trucks and sedans like this on the way with electric powertrains. Performance, in terms of straight line acceleration, is achievable by cars/trucks you would other wise never think to be fast. Pull up next to a model 3 performance and you'd get wrecked.

Buying sports cars these days is about the intangibles. Look, feel, drama, experience.

Asus_

Exactly. Same could be said about smart watches these days... to some they'd argue why buy other watches like Rolex's that cost x10 as much when you can buy a smart watch and read text's msg on your wrist, but yet here we are and watches like Rolex's and whatnot are still selling and highly sought after.

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triso07

So anyway, how about that Z proto?