Unimpressed by the 400z

triso07

You're entitled to your opinion. You raise some valid points, but I think Nissan saw an opportunity in the market to pull some Supra buyers and maybe pull some muscle car buyers by leveraging some existing tech they have without investing much in a new platform. This was most likely the ONLY way we were getting a new Z. They're investing in electric and other more profitable vehicles than the Z, since most sports cars, unfortunately, do not sell well these days.

I'll hold my thoughts on performance until those stats are released and until the drive reviews come back. I would imagine it's 400hp at around 3400lbs. Which is a pretty nice balance relative to something like a Mustang which is 480hp at 3900lbs. With the twin-turbo setup you'll have tuning potential that was much more challenging for 350-370 engines. Power will not be expensive to make relative to those cars (if that's your thing).

I love the design as it hits the heart strings by attaching itself to the older models. I've wanted a 240z inspired retro design for a long time and this is probably the closest we'll ever come. Some of the design elements don't seem to mesh well together, but the car is still a clean beautiful design in an age of excess vents and styling. The aftermarket can provide more here as well.

The benefit of using an existing platform/motor/transmission is reliability and cost. I do get that it's not as exciting, but, most of the kinks will have been worked out and they didn't have to invest in new tech for this project. On top of that, you'll get a more old school feel in this car, which is something that most enthusiasts say they want.

Voice59

If you're going to go through the dog and pony show of unveiling a "new" Z why is it using technology from cars you had 10 years ago? I honestly think that lack of innovation is why Nissan/Infiniti is hurting the way they are. Not just in the Z's but across their whole line up. I'd be on board if they stuck to one Z car to base their retro style on....but all of them? I dunno man... Renders with aftermarket parts on it make it look great, but damn...I absolutely cannot appreciate that car in it's stock form.

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triso07

Because they want to sell these?

They need to drum up excitement and anticipation and show their potential customers that there IS actually a new Z on the way.

Maybe you aren't a customer because they didn't do enough in your eyes, but did you really think they were just going to low-key launch the Z and go here's a new Z, not much to it, maybe buy it maybe don't?

Lvcky69

If i have to choose between the new Supra and the Z. I'd go for the new Z. The manual trans gives it away and i'm digging the look.

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viiv

You don't really have a choice.

Massachusetts just joined California with a 2035 ICE ban. So did Japan.

The next generation of sports cars is probably the last. Take it or leave it, there won't be a 450Z to hold out for.

MZ DAIZY

There’s always the butt fugly Supra for $65,000+

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I leased a 2016 GTI. Turbo power, added JB4, even more turbo power. Amazing DSG. Amazing handling. With the JB4 it could out-accelerate BMW 340i. Lots of "tech" in that car. Headlights that swiveled, adjustable suspension, Android Auto at a time only Hyundai had AA. Amazing car to drive.

2 miles from picking it up from the dealer, check engine light. Was in the shop 10 times over 33 months. Trust me, I loved driving that car. But as my lease was nearing an end, I actually chose a less complicated, obviously "old-school" under the skin car to replace the GTI. I bought my 2014 CPO Q60 to replace my 2016 GTI knowing: everyone hates the 7AT, under the skin the car is actually 18 years old, the VQ has been out "forever" and I'd be giving up my Android Auto.

I gained AWD traction, and in 2 years of ownership never ONCE needed any repairs.

So, the whole "it's outdated" argument falls on deaf ears with me. I. Could. Care. Less.

If I can get a 400HP Turbo 2 seater, I am likely going to keep it a long time. I can guarantee I will keep it so long it will undoubtedly be considered outdated no matter what kind of "but only if" tech they could cram into it in 2021.

For the OP, I would suggest the C8 Corvette. If a high-tech cutting edge affordable 2 seater is what they are after, that's probably the best choice if going solely by the metrics.
BMW Supra would be another choice.
Any Lexus coupe is actually "outdated" too.

Choices are good. I am glad to not be hung up on "needs to be the newest tech". Just being physically new even if older engineering is OK by me as long as the quality is good (Made in Japan please) so I can forseeably keep it 20+ years.

Voice59

The C8 in my opinion is a great example of innovation and styling. I wouldn't call it affordable though lol. I have a Q60RS and I like it quite a bit but there's still things about it that I'm like..."c'mon you could've thought this out better, or this could at least be on par with other cars in it's class". I don't think it needs to be the newest tech...just not tech I can get from a car they made in 2009.

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Ventruck

Underwhelming in some ways, but also a lot of something

Nissan kept it theirs. Made it manual. Both those together are actually not safe business moves on top of being a sports car in general. Yes they're leaning on reusing resources, but it's hardware that is expected to be thought-out with time, and simple fact is, they didn't have to do this. At all. But they did.

I was trying to poise myself for a C8 or C7, and bottom line keep my 370Z, but if something happened unplanned, I'm probably going to be in line for a 400Z to keep moving on in sports car life.

jchammond

Didn’t read all the post on this thread; but this is a “Throwback” body style, so it’s not gonna have everything brand new on design

Chevy,Ford,Dodge did it in last 10yrs....so Nissan is giving it a whirl

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NecioVato

I think it’s best to wait till the vehicle arrives and we start seeing reviews on performance etc. The way I look at it is while the proto was underwhelming since we only saw and heard about the design aspect but no mention of what was added underneath that design - but it was a GREAT surprise to see that Nissan is actually doing a new Z - i think all of us have been complaining about ‘where is the new Z - been 10+ years’.

When you look at a car like the Supra, lets not forget that the car is over $55k and this new Z ‘SHOULD’ be priced well below that to allow for the aftermarket to take care of things that we want to replace all for less than a stock Supra. Also at least the new Z will offer a manual which is great for enthusiasts. As for looks - it’s subjective - but I want to wait to see one in person and then make my decision - at least the interior looks better than what we currently have in our Zs (just my .02).

As far as performance vehicles - what vehicles come to mind that you feel are full filling the promise of performance + tech? The only vehicle that is REASONABLY priced is maybe the Civic Type R - but even that car has an outdated interior, subjective looks and an infotainment that everyone on their forum complains about - seems all the tech was added to making a FWD vehicle perform. As for the Supra - it required teaming with BMW and use THEIR engine and basically their interior as well; it feels like the only thing Toyota did was add a shell and a different tune. While I do like the design - its a hefty price for new and I don’t consider a $55k to $60k (after TTL) reasonable.

goeagles11

I know we all want to act like our Zs are still relevant but get real. This new Z will be a massive upgrade. Just the engine change puts it in a completely new class. What “technology” do you care about that is putting you off? You’re worried it won’t have Apple car play?

Come on now.

Asus_

Obviously the new z will feature newer tech and it'll be faster, but that isn't the only reason people buy cars? At least i should hope not otherwise anything older than 2-3 years and you'll already be itching for an "upgrade". I myself, didnt buy the Z because of speed and it sure as hell wasn't the fastest thing around too and unless you track your z, where are you going with all this extra speed? We'll still see each other at the next red light anyway lol.

I absolutely love that Nissan decided to make a new Z and their decision to make the new z standard only speaks volumes, but i think Nissan really set the bar with the 370z. Despite the common issues our cars have, overall its an amazing car. I don't think this new z is up to what Nissan is capable of. This in itself i think will only make previous Z's more relevant and desired.

triso07

I may be mistaken but when he was saying tech I assumed he meant from a chassis, engine, transmission, suspension standpoint. Meaning, the architecture for this car is old and the engine is from a car released in 2017.

From that perspective there is less to be excited about. It's not a ground up build where we'll see new everything.

My points are still that this helps keep cost low and reliability high, while providing a very nice upgrade over the current 370. It's a wise business decision and probably the only way we were going to get a new Z during these difficult times for the company and the push for electrification.

I think Nissan is still able differentiate this car significantly from the 370 with better brakes, better handling, more (tunable) power, refreshed design, and some modern screen tech.

Voice59

That's what I was getting at. I can't fault a company for using the cost effective option in order to stay in business. But as someone who has seen a car I own last a decade unchanged I was really hoping that the new car would be just that...new. And while people will consider it having the 3.0t a new engine, even that will be 4-5 years old by the time it's released.

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