You guys do realize the new Z will have automated emergency braking right? That 'nanny feature' will become mandatory on all new cars from 2022 onward.

That's one of the reasons I won't be buying a new sports car. Too many nannies.

There's a fuse removal for that :tup:

I didn't mention anything about wanting them to sell a car for $50k. In fact I believe I eluded to being willing to pay more for a car that performed. So...I'm not sure where you're going with this...but thanks for your input. It was....helpful?

So they're going to put the same engine from the Q60, more than likely the same manual transmission from the current model Z, but put in a brand new 9 speed auto? LOL. Ok man...

Here's a quote from Car and Driver:

Like its beastly brother, the Nissan GT-R, the 400Z is expected to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V-6. But, instead of the fire-breathing 565-hp 3.8-liter that’s under the hood of the GT-R, the 400Z will likely get the 300-hp 3.0-liter mill from the Infiniti Q60. It's also possible that high-performance NISMO variant could get the 400-hp version of that engine that's currently exclusive to the Q60 Red Sport 400. While all-wheel drive is available in the Infiniti, we expect Nissan will stick with rear-wheel drive exclusively for the 400Z. Nissan has promised a six-speed manual transmission as standard, but we expect that a seven-speed automatic will also be offered as an option.

And although this article is old, I haven't seen any others that mention a 9 speed auto.

I'm just gonna stay slow in my Z lol. Everyone else is already faster anyway.

In this day and age you will get smoked by a 4 door electric truck. The days of visually appealing sports cars being fastest are over.

These days you have to buy sports cars because of the intangibles.The look you like, the way you feel driving it, etc.

I'm on the fence. My Genesis coupe is paid off. Its getting a little long in the tooth. Its a GREAT GT car for south Florida. It is NOT a sports car like my '13 Z was. This 400Z is a day late and a dollar short IMHO. The tech is already outdated (yes, that stuff matters to alot of potential buyers, including myself). The powerplant is no surprise. Im happy with it but not overjoyed. Obviously, I understand why they used it. Styling is so-so. I like the wheels and rear, side and front is just meh. Im very disappointed a DCT isnt an option. My slushbox auto 8 in my Genesis feels like a bulldozer compared to my girlfriends DCT in her Veloster. If I lived in Montana id get a manual, not so in south Florida traffic. No DCT, thats a deal breaker for me. So I plan on driving my Genny into the ground and having no car payment for a while. Until I get the itch...Hyundai/Genesis......https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

With the way cars hold their value - in particular Hyundai (well I guess you could say ALL of them except maybe Hondas and Toyotas); if you can wait it out for 2yrs - probably be able to find a used one for a really good price. I know I'm going to hold out for a couple of years with my current Z - mod it a little and then see what comes of the used car market - I would like to get a CTR if possible but the Veloster N is definitely high on the list. Keep the Z bc the value won't be worth trading it in at that point and use the new car as a daily for the most part.

There currently are exactly ZERO electric trucks on the street smoking anything.

I know you mean Cybertruck and Hummer, but they aren't here yet.

And an electric truck is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I can definitely consider an EV car, but there's no way we'd be able to replace our ICE truck with an EV truck.
Unless you just want the most expensive, ostentatious way to smash on sports cars, I guess.

There's the Tesla Model X which is faster than most sports cars. There are only more trucks and sedans like this on the way with electric powertrains. Performance, in terms of straight line acceleration, is achievable by cars/trucks you would other wise never think to be fast. Pull up next to a model 3 performance and you'd get wrecked.

Buying sports cars these days is about the intangibles. Look, feel, drama, experience.

Maybe i'm missing something, but how exactly is an electric truck the stupidest thing? Provided the range is decent (something most EVs are working to solve right now), why wouldn't you want a truck with instant linear high-torque delivery? I spoke with a colleague of mine who I assumed was anti-electric, and he told me that he would go for an electric truck if it just had the range he needs to do weekend hunting trips.

Simple, towing. The range will be a major problem until battery tech get's up to speed. Plenty of TQ to tow, it is the range that is the problem.

Range is directly affected by the amount of towing that happens, just like with an ICE powerplant. Better range is a result of better battery tech, as is Towing. So my point still stands: I don't see how an electric truck is a stupid idea.

Tell ya what. You can pay for my truck. New truck's these days that I would need are 70 to 100k. Battery truck will probably be north of 120 to 150k. I will pass. It's not a good thing. Farmers, truck deliveries, Food/Goods to the grocery store will go way up, many things that you haven't thought about the price will increase dramatically. So, NO, trucks are not a good thing.

We're talking about the technical/performance reasons for an electric truck. You should have lead with the economic reasons first (and still not a stupid idea if and when the infrastructure is in place) instead of following up with a c*nty response like you normally do.

Am I aggravating you? Good cause IDGAF.

:drama:

So anyway, how about that Z proto?

OK, I am contributing to a thread de-rail, but you seem to be blind to some serious EV truck issues, so I'll try and keep it simple:

EV Truck (based on TFL's experience towing with a Tesla X):
If claimed 300 mile EV range, will be about 75 miles with a 5K load being towed
When "supercharging" an EV, there is a capacity limit, say 80% in 20-30 min at this time
Your distance to next fill up is now 60 miles. That's 1 hour of driving before you need to wait 20-30min for another supercharge.
Oh, and BTW superchargers must not be shared or else charging times increase
If you are off-roading and discharge your battery, good luck.
Most all charging stations don't fit a vehicle with a trailer attached
GVWR is a design challenge because a truck with long range and decent towing capacity will need a ton of batteries, which limits the payload and tongue weight.

My gas powered Titan:
Gets about 13mpg when towing 5K pounds. 6 mpg at 9K. So, between 170-300 miles of range. Let's say 300 miles at 5K, same as my EV example.
To refuel takes 5 minutes.
I can drive 4-5 hours at a time.
If I run out of fuel off-roading, a 30 pound 5gal can of gas will save me.

An ideal diesel 3/4 ton:
Gets great mpgs when towing, at least 50% better than my gas truck, and they usually have a 36 gallon tank. So, what, 500 miles of range+? And, diesel fuel economy changes very little due to load or hills, unlike the EV which is SEVERELY impacted by wind, load, hills.
To refuel takes 5 mines.
Can drive long enough to need a restroom break between fuel stops.
If you run out of fuel off-roading, a 30 pound 5gal fuel can of diesel will save you.

We tow all the time with my truck. Commonly a 300 mile round-trip.
I have done it on one tank of gas if I can restrain myself to 65mph.
That EV truck example would need at least 4 recharging stops, if not 5, adding at least 2 hours of down time, likely more.

I suppose you'll still want to argue these FACTS and real world realities of EV's, but I'll leave this at that, it is after all the new Z thread!

Exactly. Same could be said about smart watches these days... to some they'd argue why buy other watches like Rolex's that cost x10 as much when you can buy a smart watch and read text's msg on your wrist, but yet here we are and watches like Rolex's and whatnot are still selling and highly sought after.

My friend has a Model 3 Dual Motor, the fastest version of Model 3.

There is no doubt in a straight line (and even some curves) it is EXTREMELY impressive. After driving his car, I can say I don't need to watch YT videos of Teslas destroying high-end ICE sports cars because there is no doubt it is ridiculously fast.

I'll leave the interior debate mostly alone, but while I do find the exterior of the Model 3 appealing, the interior is something straight out of IKEA. I personally don't like it at all. I like the new Ford Mach-E interior far better.

After driving my friend's Model 3, I got back into my Q60 that has the "Infiniti Sports Exhaust" (this is a surprisingly loud exhaust for an OEM part) rolled my windows down, and hearing the exhaust note of my Q60 made me realize I MUCH prefer an ICE car. (BTW, I have found myself running against the lower-end Model 3 RWD versions on the freeway, and thankfully the Q60 is more than a match for that version).
I have long considered supercharging my car, but I may just leave it alone. The reality is, I could throw $20K at it and still get stomped by a Tesla (most every version of Tesla but one). And I am enjoying the reliability over my last German car.

I guess, the reality for me is that I am getting older, about to be mid-40's, and I just want a new Z because they have been a part of my life since before I could drive. I love the mechanical complexity of machines like cars, trucks, boats, airplanes. The kind of mechanical complexity that makes them less reliable than an electric machine, and dirtier.

When I look at the Z I see a car that's not different enough from the 370 to justify buying it. The cabin isn't different enough from the 370 for me to feel like after say a week driving around in it to see too much of the 370.
The instrument cluster and the Infotainment system are a nice upgrade, but the rest of the package just screams that Nissan just put the absolute minimum in the new model to say it's "new" and "improved".
I loved my 370 for 10 years (2009) and really enjoyed it, but grew tired of waiting for something new.
It will be nice to have a stronger engine but I don't see a radical change in 0-60 or 1/4 mile coming from the Infiniti engine they're putting into it.

Occasionally I miss my Z but not enough to buy the 400.

PS: I now drive a Honda Civic Type R and I'm having a blast. I can honestly say I have more enjoyment - even after two years- driving the Type R. Front vs. Rear was quite a change.

From what I have read and seen on some YT vids, the new Z is a 370Z with a body kit, engine swap, and digital dash. It’s on the same 370Z frame, interior door handles and other parts are straight off the 370Z (at least the couple that were produced running around are), etc.... For $35k I’d rather keep my Z and TT or S/C the VHR....

I don’t know about others but I would rather they release a Z34.5 than kill the Z. Also, a factory turbo setup is likely to be much more reliable than an aftermarket one. I’ve not looked, but I haven’t heard of any major issues with the engine in the Infinitis.

Despite what a number of RWD or Style critics say, the CTR is a seriously good car, so I understand where you'recoming from. I helped my son secure one at MSRP, and we drove it through 3 states, using motorcycleroads.com for a lot of our routes before shipping it back to Hawaii. I love the shifter and clutch much more, than my old 13Z or current 17 M2. Enjoy it!

So I've heard in this thread from the OP and others that the new Z is "not innovative enough", but no specifics.

Exactly what should have been added to the Z chassis to make it something you would considering buying? (has to be short of a thorough chassis redesign, though - since that would be purchasing an entirely different car all together).

Unfortunately, I think people were expecting MKIV vs MK5 Supra level of changes for the new Z. Which is ridiculous as even the new BRZ is just improved upon the previous Gen by engine tweaks (2.4 vs 2.0), interior upgrades, exterior styling and weight reduction (which is the whole point of the car) and structure rigidity. Which is pretty much the same on the new Z, aside from not having another giant manufacturer assisting in building a sports car (Toyota/Subaru, Toyota/BMW).

Just have to wait for the actual reveal and additional technical detail.

We're getting the best we were ever going to get for a company that was struggling and pivoting to a future in electric. In order to keep the Z in the price range we ALL want it in, we were never going to get a ground up build. It's not some huge seller.

If the Z proves to be incredibly profitable and governments don't force a ban or demonetization of new ICE cars then maybe you can expect a next gen version to be invested in (like mustangs) otherwise enjoy this car for what it is. Older tech more traditional sports car with good power, handling, and looks at a reasonable price point.

Agreed with both above points; the new Z has enough improvements for me in the right areas to make it a compelling buy (again).

This time, I'll be cross-shopping the Z with a used Evora (400 or GT, but most likely the former due to cost). Did a similar thing with the 370Z and a used Cayman S ten years ago, but ended up in the Z due to the value proposition, my Z-fan enthusiasm, and yep - the great "new car smell" the used P-car didn't have.

If the cost of the new Z is as expected, the Evora's got a pretty sizeable uphill battle ahead of it.

Can't wait for the official production announcement! But yeah, agree with most here - why can't we have some tidbits of info, or confirmation, in the interim?

Sure the 400Z isn't revolutionary, it was never meant to be. For that look at the GTRs from Nissan. I do like the new digital dash, most of it's competitors don't have that. Everything else is comparable to other sports cars at that price point.

Yea and that's the main reason why so many people push away from the Z cars, since they want the newest thing regardless of the lineage/following/culture.

Which is why the following on the Civic Type R is so expansive right now; Before that, the Civic SI was the only 2door MT you could get from Honda. Mazda was...nothing (RX-8 doesn't count), Subaru had only the STI before the BRZ/GT86 Twins (pretty much the only thing that saved Toyota from still being a contender for a 2door sports car), and the other Japanese brands are just luxury based (Infiniti, Acura, Infiniti).

Nissan is just in a very tough spot from all around, and this new Z will definitely (hopefully) bring them back if they keep 95% of the Proto Z's features.

I think what we are getting considering the state of sports cars, the state of Nissan as a corp company is really good overall. I think they are smart to use as much of the previous generation as possible to build a nicer, more complete car than what we currently have. To have a twin turbo and a manual - it's like 'take my money'. As for revolutionary, I think the base they made with the Z already hits a lot of the marks, when I look back at the 300zx, the 350z and how timeless the current 370z looks - we aren't needing revolutionary - we just need a faster motor along with an updated interior and some newer styling to keep up with the other manufacturers.

If you look at a lot of sports cars - other than the Civic Type R (and a lot of people would argue that it's not a sports car but a hot hatch) and the Corvette - sports cars don't sell as well. Even the Supra is not maintaining it's value for it's price point and I'm sure one could find a new one at below MSRP. Even new cars that are coming out - the BRZ/86 isn't turbo charged but still staying NA and I think that has to do with the cheaper 2.0 Supra, to not eat into sells. We are still waiting on the new revolutionary Subie STI; so if you ask me - I think Nissan is trying to do right by it's fans.

Regardless, I think we should all wait for the new Z and the reviews to come out before we write it off completely.

Civic Type R is not revolutionary. None of the tech or safety stuff is new. Lane keeping, active cruise, autobrake, apply and android connectivity. It's updated from the old model, that's all. A double clutch at that price would be interesting but it doesn't seem to be happening so it will remain just the Golf R and Veloster N.

There are many cars that come out every few years that do "shake things up" but they are in the 80k range and I don't want to be having to spend that on a Z. The Z is supposed to be a low cost sports car and that means making some compromises. So yes it won't have an adjustable suspension, DCT, active aero, torsion diff, carbon ceramic brakes, or carbon fiber anything major. I am happy if it isn't filled with tons of extra stuff that cost extra money. If I want to throw money at a sports car there is the GTR, Corvette, Cayman, GT500, ZL1, etc

This thread is proof that you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

If the z35 had gone whole hog full redesign and super latest tech gizmos etc, then folks like me and others would bitch about not being as pure and old school driver focused sports car anymore, (it’d def have steer by wire ans that as much as anything else hurts driver connection to the car)

Now we get a heavily revised 370z with updated interior, better trans, better TT engine, upgraded evertything with regards to performance and most likely the aftermarket will get product out quick bc not a big change from existing car, and drivetrain isn’t new either…

And people bitch and moan that it’s not good enough

And all this happening when sports cars are struggling to justify their existence, and a global pandemic, and Nissan is financially on the ropes.

:facepalm:

All the people who think they’re better off with an aftermarket TT kit and swapping in the new body panels to make their own are smoking some good sh1t. A TT car with warranty and corporate engineering to make it reliable for 100k plus miles is not reproducible by you. 90% of folks will be happy with stage II power levels and it will far cheaper and more reliable to get to that level starting with a factory FI’d car to begin with.

We should all be thanking the car gods this z35 even exists at all frankly. The aftermarket will step up and fix whatever factory shortcomings there will be, just like they did for the z34.

The Proto was displayed at Nashville Cars and Coffee this Saturday. You can see footage of it being driven on public roads there! I have to say it does stand out and look much better on the road. Would love to see the leaked production cars on the road.

Tri-gauges have boost (probably expected) and turbo speed? Wonder if that's going to make it to production?

So we're ditching the clock (thank goodness) and the oil temp gauge. ROFL - maybe Nissan knows buyers are going to look at the oil temp gauge and get obsessive like we all did when the 370Zs first came out; so they removed it from front center dash. :rofl2:

Perhaps they moved it (and added others) to the digital display.

Agreed - it looks GOOD. They didn't try too hard to style it, the proportions are very respective of it's heritage, and yah - it's stance is very much "Z" - and that's a GOOD thing. Gonna start talking to my dealer... :eekdance:

Interesting thread and pretty much the same sentiments expressed by 350Z owners when the 370Z was introduced, as well as just about any new generation of a current car; i.e. C7 guys are in full bitch mode against the C8.

I guess it's hard to accept the fact your car - which I'm sure you love - is about to be "obsoleted" in some way.

Since selling my 2011 370Z, I've had a Mercedes AMG CLA 45 and an Audi TTRS. Both great cars with amazing engineering and build quality. Also with exorbitant maintenance costs.

I've been seriously considering a C8, but the new Z has really caught my interest. Part of it is the Z community, but a big part of it is price (half of a 3LT C8) and Nissan quality.

What I really want to see is the Nismo version. If it really is a baby GT-R with AWD, DCT, and 500HP, I'm in. I can't imagine it costing more than $65K which would still make it an outstanding value.

Like mentioned above, let's see what the production models look like, how they perform, what they are equipped with and what they cost before making any negative comments.

There won't be an awd dct model. Keep dreaming

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My issue isn't that the tech isn't cutting edge. It's that the "new" Z is using technology and styling from damn near 10 years ago in most cases. ****, the power plant isn't even anything new. Just an engine swap from the Q's. The only thing that is "new" is the design.

The thing is I'm not even upset about the power plant. It's that the transmission is (from what's been released so far) the SAME 7 speed trans and SAME 6 speed manual that came in the 2009's. The interior is NOT heavily modified, unless you consider a digital dash heavily modified. It's virtually identical to what was released in the 370z with the exception of stitching.

I realize they're struggling financially but I'd wager to say it's due to lack of innovation. People just aren't interested in Nissan anymore because almost everything they produce is behind the curve by 3 to 5 years the moment it hits the showroom floor.