[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Bonzo · 09-19-2023, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ZoomZ

I like the Aria. Is this the ultimate replacement for the murano? It may be.

I checked out a $62k sticker price Aria just last week. Its alright but certainly far from great. A lot of really cheap fake looking plastic inside. And the inside design is just okay, not great. They tried to think outside the box and failed IMO. This thing is no where near as good as a Murano. The best Murano overall was Gen 1 in 2003. This Aria, being 20 years in the future, doesn't hold a candle to what a stunner the Murano was in 2003.

ZoomZ · 09-20-2023, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

I checked out a $62k sticker price Aria just last week. Its alright but certainly far from great. A lot of really cheap fake looking plastic inside. And the inside design is just okay, not great. They tried to think outside the box and failed IMO. This thing is no where near as good as a Murano. The best Murano overall was Gen 1 in 2003. This Aria, being 20 years in the future, doesn't hold a candle to what a stunner the Murano was in 2003.

Absolutely. I love my GEN2 Murano. I was just commenting on which direction the ICE car is going. Used the Murano as a reference.

Yeah, the sticker price is stupid and having not really investigated the interior quality. I'll take your word for it and therefore price becomes even more ridiculous.

I don't want an EV anyway. Some are just nice looking.

Ventruck · 09-23-2023, 10:28 PM

yeah not to be an echo and derail this, but yeah, even if it's an EV...the Aria asking price sounds insane when you lay it over Infiniti/Lexus/Acura offerings. I've seen Leaf listings get to near $40k. Sure maybe some rebates put both cars in a more digestible price range, but like just a decade ago the Leaf was going dirt cheap compared to most everything else.

nismoskyz · 09-24-2023, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NecioVato

The thing is though - I feel if they would have waited - it would have never happened. Part of me feels like - maybe they should have done a 'small refresh' like take the 370z and drop a VR30 in it with all the supporting mods and look to add a larger screen with Apple Car Play. Speaking for myself - that is ALL I was looking for. The new design I don't hate but I keep hearing that its more like a cruiser and less like a sports car - if that is the case - then yeah, I'm out. The Nismo definitely isn't helping things by being AUTO only SMH.

That's basically what they did though. RZ34 is really just a refresh on the Z34 chassis, as the chassis code gives away. VR30 is added and finally some current-gen tech. Behind the dashboard, from the center console back, the cabin is mostly the same as the 370Z. Of course the exterior is significantly refreshed, but the roof lines of the 370Z are still visible.

I was unhappy with Nissan for not doing a full-fledged redesign to show what they're capable of, like with the 350Z's introduction and something that would really go after the GR Supra. Though I guess with production challenges in mind, maybe this chassis refresh was the right move at this time.

nismoskyz · 09-24-2023, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

I checked out a $62k sticker price Aria just last week. Its alright but certainly far from great. A lot of really cheap fake looking plastic inside. And the inside design is just okay, not great. They tried to think outside the box and failed IMO. This thing is no where near as good as a Murano. The best Murano overall was Gen 1 in 2003. This Aria, being 20 years in the future, doesn't hold a candle to what a stunner the Murano was in 2003.

I sat in an Aria a few months back at Nissan's GHQ in Japan and it was pretty sweet. I was very impressed to find an interior that was completely designed from the ground up. Not sure if the USDM version is way different. Here's a little video review I did on the interior https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVY-PWUetTk. I last checked out a 2019 Murano at a dealership and that and the many Rogues I've sat in all had (by now) very outdated interiors. This is finally something new from Nissan and I call it a win, purely from a design standpoint.

Bonzo · 09-24-2023, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by nismoskyz

I sat in an Aria a few months back at Nissan's GHQ in Japan and it was pretty sweet. I was very impressed to find an interior that was completely designed from the ground up. Not sure if the USDM version is way different. Here's a little video review I did on the interior https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVY-PWUetTk. I last checked out a 2019 Murano at a dealership and that and the many Rogues I've sat in all had (by now) very outdated interiors. This is finally something new from Nissan and I call it a win, purely from a design standpoint.

It's a new design from the ground up for sure. But IMO its 90% glam and nothing to shout about. Why? It looks kinda cool inside, but nothing special compared to other electric offerings. But the features and how it works just aren't great. Like the air vents that look great but just aren't that well made. A tiny little glove box in what is a big car. The center console slides front to rear, but what the frack for? One of those things that's initially "cool", but after thinking about it, when will it ever be used or needed? Neither the dealer nor I could figure out how to get the large center console to open to allow storage. The top section has a top area with a phone charger inside that simply won't be very practical (it's angled backwards for some reason). My poor opinion was exasperated by the fact that the center console was in the slid back position, so placement was odd. There is a new material that is supposed to resemble wood with wood grain. Well I'm here to tell you my PVC vinyl fence in my back yard in dark gray and tan with fake wood grain looks just as good or better. In the Aria all the plastic squeaks, badly. Door panels, console, air vents .... everything I touched moved and squeaked to some extent or another (like a GM car). The only really nice upgrade thing about the Aria interior is the suede alacantra (sp?) leather on the dash. But the leather and leather seats in my old 2004 Murano were made from higher quality finished material. One new thing it appears many new cars are doing (like a big ugly BMW I saw at a car show) because they can, are making the window and door buttons electronic, like a smart phone. Well that may certainly look cool, but in actual use they will completely suck. Who wants to have to look down every time they want to open the window just to see where the button is? In direct comparison to my old 2004 Gen 1 Murano, the Aria is even more modern, and perhaps more plush. But its poorer made with lower quality leather and features that don't really work. There was a magazine review of the Gen 1 Murano many years ago that said something along the lines of "the interior of the Murano belongs in the museum of modern art --- it's simply stunning and a joy to use." The Aria is not that IMO. Its a glam mobile that lacks substance.

I don't think the Aria is a Nissan flop. I think it's a current generation of cars flop. It's simply too much money for what you get.

But then again, I'm not used to this modern new car era either, where even a small Chevy Bolt can cost you $45k. It's a shitty time to have to buy a car, that's for sure.

One more thing, about the outside. Like the new Cadillac I saw a few weeks ago, the *** end is all glam and huge, like a Kardashian ***. And like the Tesla 3 with its fugly black fan wheels, the wheels on the Aria I looked at were some of the most hideous wheels on a car I've ever seen. Just repugnant.

Bonzo · 09-24-2023, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nismoskyz

That's basically what they did though. RZ34 is really just a refresh on the Z34 chassis, as the chassis code gives away. VR30 is added and finally some current-gen tech. Behind the dashboard, from the center console back, the cabin is mostly the same as the 370Z. Of course the exterior is significantly refreshed, but the roof lines of the 370Z are still visible.

I was unhappy with Nissan for not doing a full-fledged redesign to show what they're capable of, like with the 350Z's introduction and something that would really go after the GR Supra. Though I guess with production challenges in mind, maybe this chassis refresh was the right move at this time.

IMO they should have completely killed off the 370Z in 2017. 6 years in the modern era is long, but 8 to 10 years is really long in the tooth. I think sales show that with the 370.

Then they should have spent the time off getting Nissan back in order as a company. Then come out with an all new modern Z in say 2025.

As it is, the new Z (not even a proper name as 3 dealers I've been to call it the 400Z), is a filler car to help aid and bridge a gap. Except I really think it was a waste of time. That's just my opinion of course, which means nothing in reality.

nismoskyz · 09-24-2023, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

It's a new design from the ground up for sure. But IMO its 90% glam and nothing to shout about. Why? It looks kinda cool inside, but nothing special compared to other electric offerings. But the features and how it works just aren't great. Like the air vents that look great but just aren't that well made. A tiny little glove box in what is a big car. The center console slides front to rear, but what the frack for? One of those things that's initially "cool", but after thinking about it, when will it ever be used or needed? Neither the dealer nor I could figure out how to get the large center console to open to allow storage. The top section has a top area with a phone charger inside that simply won't be very practical (it's angled backwards for some reason). My poor opinion was exasperated by the fact that the center console was in the slid back position, so placement was odd. There is a new material that is supposed to resemble wood with wood grain. Well I'm here to tell you my PVC vinyl fence in my back yard in dark gray and tan with fake wood grain looks just as good or better. In the Aria all the plastic squeaks, badly. Door panels, console, air vents .... everything I touched moved and squeaked to some extent or another (like a GM car). The only really nice upgrade thing about the Aria interior is the suede alacantra (sp?) leather on the dash. But the leather and leather seats in my old 2004 Murano were made from higher quality finished material. One new thing it appears many new cars are doing (like a big ugly BMW I saw at a car show) because they can, are making the window and door buttons electronic, like a smart phone. Well that may certainly look cool, but in actual use they will completely suck. Who wants to have to look down every time they want to open the window just to see where the button is? In direct comparison to my old 2004 Gen 1 Murano, the Aria is even more modern, and perhaps more plush. But its poorer made with lower quality leather and features that don't really work. There was a magazine review of the Gen 1 Murano many years ago that said something along the lines of "the interior of the Murano belongs in the museum of modern art --- it's simply stunning and a joy to use." The Aria is not that IMO. Its a glam mobile that lacks substance.

I don't think the Aria is a Nissan flop. I think it's a current generation of cars flop. It's simply too much money for what you get.

But then again, I'm not used to this modern new car era either, where even a small Chevy Bolt can cost you $45k. It's a shitty time to have to buy a car, that's for sure.

One more thing, about the outside. Like the new Cadillac I saw a few weeks ago, the *** end is all glam and huge, like a Kardashian ***. And like the Tesla 3 with its fugly black fan wheels, the wheels on the Aria I looked at were some of the most hideous wheels on a car I've ever seen. Just repugnant.

Sounds like we sat in completely different cars, I didn't notice any cheap plastic squeaks. Either that or the USDM Aria production is not on par with the JDM one, though I'd expect both variants are produced in the same plant. The Aria isn't an Infiniti, so don't expect premium luxury on the interior, but the build quality, materials, and especially design language feel modern. The fake wood grain also has to house the HVAC control touch buttons, so it can't be the same type as your fence, and it's one of my favorite parts of the interior. When many newly designed interiors use full on displays to handle things like HVAC, the HVAC controls are a modern touch but they never move around like they do when controlled via digital displays. And there's a nice, large, physical volume knob right in the center of the dash.

I also can't stand when car mfg's turn car interiors into smart phones put everything in an iPad tablet style display. Drivers need fixed buttons for basic controls. Unfortunately the only alternative these days is an incredibly outdated interior where almost nothing has been updated. This one strikes a good balance.

Pricing stinks in just about all new cars these days..

As for the exterior styling, when I first saw one, I really thought I was looking at a Lexus NX. It just looks like a typical SUV these days with some fresh lines, although I'm a bit worried that copper color will not age well.

nismoskyz · 09-24-2023, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

IMO they should have completely killed off the 370Z in 2017. 6 years in the modern era is long, but 8 to 10 years is really long in the tooth. I think sales show that with the 370.

Then they should have spent the time off getting Nissan back in order as a company. Then come out with an all new modern Z in say 2025.

As it is, the new Z (not even a proper name as 3 dealers I've been to call it the 400Z), is a filler car to help aid and bridge a gap. Except I really think it was a waste of time. That's just my opinion of course, which means nothing in reality.

Ah don't get me started on the 370Z's long production run. I couldn't believe how antiquated the interiors were on 2020 370Z's I sat in and test drove at the dealer. Completely lacking all the "basic" new features found in other cars. No Android Auto/Carplay, no Lane Assist, no Adaptive Cruise. Just the same standard interior that was introduced in '09. The caveat to this was that in case if you wanted a "classic" 370Z in brand-new condition, well you could just buy one at the dealer. Except when you pay "new car money" for a technologically old car, it just doesn't make sense.

It seems that the CEO/political troubles in the company dragged out the introduction of a new Z way longer than was needed. I mean the Project Clubsport 23 was already prepared by Nismo back in 2018. That Nismo 370Z fully equipped with a VR30DDTT, shows where the thinking was headed, but perhaps they couldn't organize internally to make it happen; https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...lubsport-sema/

So we got the "Nissan Z"/"400Z"/"RZ34", since the GR Supra's success required some answer as the aging 370Z specs could no longer compete. I really fully wanted/expected Nissan to introduce a proper answer, but it seems they were unable to with these (internal/external) challenges. My consolation is how few sports cars are on the market today. While the GR Supra is mostly BMW, Nissan is still producing their own sports car. But when I see the C8 Corvette and it's incredible ground-up design, I just imagine what kind of sports car Nissan would answer with if they really tried.

nismoskyz · 09-24-2023, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonzo

It's a new design from the ground up for sure. But IMO its 90% glam and nothing to shout about. Why?

...[quote shortened because my reply wouldn't post]

One more thing, about the outside. Like the new Cadillac I saw a few weeks ago, the *** end is all glam and huge, like a Kardashian ***. And like the Tesla 3 with its fugly black fan wheels, the wheels on the Aria I looked at were some of the most hideous wheels on a car I've ever seen. Just repugnant.

Sounds like we sat in completely different cars, I didn't notice any cheap plastic squeaks. Either that or the USDM Aria production is not on par with the JDM one, though I'd expect both variants are produced in the same plant. The Aria isn't an Infiniti, so don't expect premium luxury on the interior, but the build quality, materials, and especially design language feel modern. The fake wood grain also has to house the HVAC control touch buttons, so it can't be the same type as your fence, and it's one of my favorite parts of the interior. When many newly designed interiors use full on displays to handle things like HVAC, the HVAC controls are a modern touch but they never move around like they do when controlled via digital displays. And there's a nice, large, physical volume knob right in the center of the dash.

I also can't stand when car mfg's turn car interiors into smart phones put everything in an iPad tablet style display. Drivers need fixed buttons for basic controls. Unfortunately the only alternative these days is an incredibly outdated interior where almost nothing has been updated. This one strikes a good balance.

Pricing stinks in just about all new cars these days..

As for the exterior styling, when I first saw one, I really thought I was looking at a Lexus NX. It just looks like a typical SUV these days with some fresh lines, although I'm a bit worried that copper color will not age well.

NecioVato · 09-26-2023, 10:11 AM

Came across this on one of the FB forums. Won't lie - it definitely makes me curious about the Nismo and seems like they are trying to deliver a car we all want. Still-the price is too rich for my blood - but then again - it feels like EVERY car is super expensive now days.

TITLE from Road & Track
The NISMO Z is the Best Nissan in a Decade (Even if it is Missing a Clutch Pedal)

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...RTKwahPdyJ8-Dk

ZoomZ · 09-26-2023, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NecioVato

Came across this on one of the FB forums. Won't lie - it definitely makes me curious about the Nismo and seems like they are trying to deliver a car we all want. Still-the price is too rich for my blood - but then again - it feels like EVERY car is super expensive now days.

TITLE from Road & Track
The NISMO Z is the Best Nissan in a Decade (Even if it is Missing a Clutch Pedal)

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...RTKwahPdyJ8-Dk

Waiting to see version 4. If it comes out as ICE.

SteveVQ · 09-26-2023, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NecioVato

Came across this on one of the FB forums. Won't lie - it definitely makes me curious about the Nismo and seems like they are trying to deliver a car we all want. Still-the price is too rich for my blood - but then again - it feels like EVERY car is super expensive now days.

TITLE from Road & Track
The NISMO Z is the Best Nissan in a Decade (Even if it is Missing a Clutch Pedal)

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...RTKwahPdyJ8-Dk

Wow, that's a heavy Z: 3,704 lbs

I can't believe its actually heavier than my 19 1SS at 3685 lbs. Not by much but still...wow.

NecioVato · 09-26-2023, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveVQ

Wow, that's a heavy Z: 3,704 lbs

I can't believe its actually heavier than my 19 1SS at 3685 lbs. Not by much but still...wow.

It amazes me how heavy vehicles are becoming now. It seems like they are getting bigger and bigger. And the answer to items getting heavier seems to make it have more HP to ‘balance things out’ - but yeah, agree - its amazing how heavy vehicles are becoming.

NorthStyle · 09-27-2023, 02:43 AM

Motor1 released the base price of the Nismo, what apparently starts out at ~$66K. I'm not sure how reliable the source is...

https://www.motor1.com/news/688258/2...nismo-pricing/

09-26-2023, 10:11 AM	#7121 (permalink)
NecioVato Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 326 Drives: 2017 Black Nismo Z Rep Power: 19787	Came across this on one of the FB forums. Won't lie - it definitely makes me curious about the Nismo and seems like they are trying to deliver a car we all want. Still-the price is too rich for my blood - but then again - it feels like EVERY car is super expensive now days. TITLE from Road & Track The NISMO Z is the Best Nissan in a Decade (Even if it is Missing a Clutch Pedal) https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...RTKwahPdyJ8-Dk FL 4Motion and nismoskyz like this.

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