[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

filip00

It looks so good, that after watching it for a while, you take a look at the stock car, and it seems incomplete, like they forgot to add fenders...

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NecioVato

maybe I'm just old or something but putting these super deep dish wheels with fenders and an airkit - just kinda loses the look to me. While it might not be a popular opinion - I feel like if the stock car had more 'hips' similar to the 240z and that rear duckwing - that would look so great. It's almost like taking the video's concept and then the stock and trying to blend it in - while it might be considered 'playing it safe' - I just feel that would have been the route I would have liked to have seen. Making it subtle yet different.

I just feel like I have never understood the idea of slamming a car to the ground with an airkit and having such deep dish tires - again - might be an age thing or something but not my thing; but then again - do give ANY shops props for doing something different and unique.

nis350

Finally saw the new Z. The design is new, but it is a bit underwhelmed. While the 370z is quite old, but I think it is more exciting if they were seen for the first time together.

chowtoo

It seems that they screwed up the availability of the new model, got too greedy with the pricing (and forgot their roots of producing an affordable sports car), and did not do a good job of designing the front end (as evidenced by the NISMO and the special edition front ends to try to offer something nicer at a much higher price). Not that I feel real strong about it, but they can keep their crap.

OptionZero

Their biggest accomplishments are convincing people to ignore the 15 year old chassis and forgiving the lack of manual on the Nismo

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nis350

and can't compete with the Supra even with a more "claimed" power.

TreeSemdyZee

Well. From 20k bump to $7500 drop. Just saw two 2024 Performance autos for $46,800.

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nis350

I really wanted to like the new Z, but I just couldn't. The front is so bland, and for the 370z owners, the interior is so similar. The door panels and seats are almost the same.

I think the clutch hydraulic is the same problematic setup from the 370z as well. And its performance is also disappointing.

TreeSemdyZee

I like a lot about the car, but you’re right about the interior. Many of the parts are the same. Inside the rear hatch is identical. The one thing that blows my minds is the cargo cover pricing. They took an overpriced cargo cover and now it’s going for over $1,000. I paid $75 from a guy on here years ago.
I’ve had my 370 for so long that I can’t bring myself to replace it.
Had it dynoed awhile back and hit almost 330 with 162,000 miles.
Hard to give that up for that kind of money.

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ZoomZ

What is the model of wheel for the Z Nismo?

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chowtoo

It seems that the new Z may not hold up its value, given what it has to offer versus its competitors and also when compared to the 370Z. If one is considering buying one, it may be worth waiting to see if prices continue to fall. It seems to be a faster 370Z with a different look and with the complexities of a TT engine that will not last as long as the 370Z NA engine. At least you get more gauges and more modern technology, if that's your thing.

Red-Hat

Is this partly the fault, at least in the USA, of dealers massively marking them up to absurd levels? Charging $20K or more over MSRP in the first year of release was always going to result in those early adopters getting burned on resale. I feel like those buying a little later at MSRP will get burned far less, just receiving more normal levels of depreciation.

One benefit to being here in Australia is, despite usually paying more than the USA for performance vehicles (especially Euro and USA ones), the dealers here don't (can't by law?) add ridiculous 'market adjustment' markups on. So the vehicles are always sold around MSRP. That helps somewhat for buyers confidence come resale time.

I feel like evaluated in isolation, as a 6 cylinder RWD Japanese made sports coupe, the new Z still has a lot going for it. A rich Z heritage, and the promise of decent Japanese build quality and reliability. And great road presence, they look fantastic on the road and turn heads like a far more expensive exotic.

But as you say, there are competitors (like the Supra) that offer more performance for similar money, or for those not chasing the best performance, older cars like the 370Z which offer the same road presence and handling ability, just with less power.

As a 370Z owner, I struggle to make a convincing case to myself to upgrade to the new Z, even though I love the styling, the power figures, the slightly updated interior, and the promise of a new car warranty (which goes some way to addressing any concerns I have over the more complex TT engine). The reality is I already own 95% of the same car, just with a less powerful (but I would argue better sounding) engine.

The main stumbling block is price. If the new Z cost about what I paid for my 370Z (Sport Touring grade) brand new in 2020, i.e. about AU$50K (US$34K), I'd probably have traded in and be driving a new Z right now.

But it doesn't, despite being 95% the same car the new Z (Performance, only grade we get) costs AU$82K (US$55K) in Australia, which is a whopping 64% price increase. Yet the new Z isn't 64% faster or better looking. It's a real shame it costs so much now, and I think that's what is holding it back.

When I think about the cost of moving into a new Z, I realise I could spend a fraction of that on heaps of high quality mods for my 370Z AND still have enough left over for a couple of nice overseas holidays! That's some perspective.

filip00

You summarized it very well. I'll add my 2 cents:

In Europe these cars are priced more than elsewhere, simply because they're pretty rare and the prices are higher here. A used maintained Z is around 30k USD, even when 5-6 years old and with 30-40k miles on the clock.
If I look at the one that I've got, that has been maintained immaculately and has upgrades to all parts, the only value that the new Z brings is power and updated looks. There is literally nothing else that would up the value of it. The price for the new Z in Europe is around 75k USD or more - yes, literally that much. It makes zero sense to go that route, because for that money, you're looking at pristine BMW M4. which is a much better car.
Nissan has fckd up with strategy for placing the new Z on the market.

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chowtoo

At the end of the day, the new Z is not worth the price they are asking for it.

nis350

We were considering the Inifiniti Q60 last year, but decided against it due to some serious issues with the motor... Apparently, there are issues with the turbines and engine block that require replacing the short block or the entire motor. I oon't know if Nissan has mitigated those issues.

Back to the Z, I just can't get over how un-exciting/boring it looks.