Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid 55k. It's a nissan. Nissan is already having money issues. Hell the gtr is way over priced. That's one of many problems Nissan's having. And QC
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Toyota is apparently going to want $40K for the new 4-cylinder turbo 255 HP Supra model, which even comes with cheap brakes. No way Nissan will price a Z in the $20's for a car that is made in Japan. Start around $29,995 might be doable if they do come out with a less powered version. |
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brake cooling would seem to be relatively simple. there isn't anything wrong with the existing akebono setup, just design the bumpers to have ventilation that works
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On top of that, the next gen 86 will be out with a whopping 220 n/a hp and will start close 30k. Nissan could easily sell the 300hp engine for 34k easily and eat some power junkie 86 sales. But instead we getting an extra 100hp for a couple grand more. Seems like a good deal to me... Waiting to get the weight and dimensions of the Z to see how much of a deal we are getting. Seems most are only worried bout hp n price. Can the chassis even hold the hp? Let's see.
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You really think Nissan put R&D into a new chassis for this car? I would guess it's just a slightly modified Z34 chassis if it's modified at all.
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This is a render I can get behind, very interested to see what the actual Nismo model looks like.
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I'm not expecting that front lip area to be so sharply-cut, though, as well as the side vents, which I have a feeling will do absolutely nothing. Grill is probably going to be more under the leading edge. The creases are a bit much and I wouldn't expect that front fender cut. Mirrors are too small and angled more than the teaser. Wheels of course just copy+paste, but the artist set the proportions too large albeit for artistic sake. I say this hoping it's true because I think the car would look way better. Each to their own though. The general silhouette is exciting. |
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But lighter, shorter, wider, more power, higher redline at the time the rev match was sliced bread, a little more of the fastback proportions, small things like relocating the rear body brace. I see how some people hate the redundancies, like carryover interior parts, but I thought the "tweak" approach was a proper way to continue a sports car line. And I kinda hope the next Z is like that. Give me a better/modern interior, a little more power, hopefully a little less weight, try to keep it reliable and don't go to the moon in features. |
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The 2021 Supra just announced price for their 4 cylinder model and it's MSRP is over $40,000! Last edited by Neo2070; 06-19-2020 at 07:16 AM. |
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Even the BRZ was pushing 30k
I am curious how the development costs for the Z and the Supra compare. Toyota essentially punted the development of a new chassis by licensing an existing one and fine tuning some stuff. Nissan *appears* to be cost cutting but . . . not developing a new chassis at all. Maybe we get a couple upgraded components, or maybe even the same components with better materials. I'm sure they still have to crash test it again with the feds, and then the new engine/chassis combo needs to go through all the emissions crap
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The thing is they have to compete with the muscle cars in the segment. People WILL cross shop those. Because they're good looking cars, with good performance, and a cool factor at a similar price point. Those cars can also handle these days. In theory the buyers should be very different from each other but they aren't. It's clear that's where the money is. I imagine a good looking twin-turbo 6 with 400hp at around 3450lbs with modern tech at around a 40k price point could actually be competitive with the muscle cars sales wise. I doubt they go the "cheaper cayman" route. Lighter, higher revving, NA, etc. |
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