[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

UNKNOWN_370

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Is it really that hard to maintain two sports cars when you make record profits since 2011?

Thin line between profit and greed.

A car company without heritage is not worth giving money to. I said it about Toyota and Honda when they fell off. I'll say it about Nissan too.

Sports cars are heritage cars.

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ScottM

The new Titan is pretty kick ***. I can see it selling well

Nixin

GM seems to build and maintain two heritage sports vehicles without any major fuss or loss of profit; Camaro and Corvette. Even Ford has two heritage type vehicles, the Mustang and the new GT. Why Nissan is taking their sweet time to introduce the new Z is beyond all normal comprehension.

Jordo!

I think we'll know more by the TMS. Toyota will be showing off their new Supra and Nissan will kind of have to step up or move over.

That said, the generation that was slavering the most over a new Supra is closing in on 40 (the generation closing in on 50 will likely opt for something else entirely), while the younger generation (< 30) couldn't care less.

That takes the pressure of Nissan, who might have tabled the Z entirely, but now might have a new market to introduce the Z to that will not simply flock to a Supra. It levels the playing field.

In short, it's a matter of striking when the time is right.

If Toyota had managed to get the 86 out 10 years earlier, they wouldn't have been able to keep them on the lot. Everyone who had hit the limits on the Integra and Celica was chomping at the bit for a FR tuner car. Unfortunately, by the time the 86 was released, everyone who really wanted one now wanted something else, and the younger generation didn't quite see the point.

I think we'll have a definitive answer by TMS.

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Z1NONLY

I'm sure this is blasphemous, but what if Nissan took the Z back to it's original weight and...gasp...power?

My wife and I were discussing how Nissan could make the next Z without pricing it into extinction and we looked up the original 240Z.

The power/weight numbers are very close to fun car that's being sold for around 30K right now{

1969? 240Z = 2300 lbs, 151 HP

2017 ND Miata = 2332 lbs, 155 HP...and it starts at $26,395

A fun, nimble, driver's car can be made for under 30k. Mazda is doing it now.

The Z has always had 6 cylinders, so unless Nissan has been working on a small (light) 6 cylinder they plan to use on many vehicles in the fleet, (cost sharing) the motor may be the biggest obstacle.

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I hope Nissan ditches the Z for a few years. Make my current model keep its value and if I decide to get the Supra TT then bye bye Z and not lose a ton of money.

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TheWolfe

I think the biggest "problem" with the Z's right now is that they have hardly any competition. What other car company mass produces a fairly lightweight V6 sports car with a good amount of HP and has great handling right out of the factory? Not to mention the amount of stuff you can do to it. And it's only $30,000! The closest competitor I can think of would be V6 mustangs--but they're no competition for a Z, like at all. That mustang gets 240 HP at the wheels while we get around 275. Even the STI gets 250 at the wheels.

In my opinion, Nissan needs to take a few years off from the Z's to really make a comeback. A big one. By all means, Z's should have V6's as always, but Nissan needs to make them more in competition with other cars. A Z, out of the factory, with around 300 HP at the wheels? That'd be perfect! As long as it isn't breaking the bank, I see no reason why Nissan wouldn't have their V6 sports car compete with the V8's Ford and Chevy are rolling out. Just my opinion, though.

And another thing... A lot of you will likely disagree with me on this one, but I just don't think the differences between base model, sports package, and Nismo are that dramatic. Base model Z's get 275 HP at the wheels, and Nismos get around 290-295 or so with the extra 20 HP in the engine. Honestly, the suspension is what makes a Nismo a Nismo. But why couldn't Nissan release a 300 WHP base Z and a 350-375 WHP Nismo? That's a significant difference, and I think that would really put the Z's back on the map, as far as competition goes. Then, the Nismo would be competing with the Mustang GT (385 WHP) and Camaro SS (350 WHP). This way, Base/Sports Z's would be competing with the new Supra, and the Nismos would be competing with the Mustang GT, Camaro SS, and whatever else will be in that bracket. I'm assuming the new Supra will have a 400 hp engine and stuff, but I could be wrong!

What do you guys think?

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RicerX

Your post completely summarizes why there is no new Z.

The casual buyer can only talk about horsepower. The Z has never been about horsepower - it has been about the driving experience and the total package of the car. It has been about putting it all together. The sum of parts is the reason why a heavier Nismo GT-R with less horsepower and torque can beat a Corvette Z06 around Streets of Willow - it's the sum of parts working together. Nissan's sports cars have always been that way.

What happens to cars like this when the casual buyer looks and sees a more practical, more powerful Mustang for the same price as a 370Z Sport Touring? He buys the Mustang because more horsepower, and maybe he can't afford a DD plus a sports car, so he buys the Mustang because it's the best bang for the buck he can buy.

That makes the Z a niche car. A special, unique car, but niche. The entire automotive landscape has changed in the last 10 years - what was a sports car to the masses then isn't necessarily the same thing that makes a sports car these days. The Z is now a dinosaur niche vehicle. Nissan doesn't seem to give two ***** about niches these days, because niches don't break profit records. They don't seem to know what to do to make the Z have a wider appeal, and I'd rather them just kill it than bastardize it.

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The only thing I can see Nissan (lazily) doing if there is actually a Z35 is base/sport = 300hp 3.0tt from the Q50 sport and Nismo = 400hp from the Q50 Red Sport with fresh sheet metal on the same chassis. I can't even see Nissan doing that right so hopefully they just end the Z line for now.

Cyber370

Well said!!! I agree. I laugh when people start comparing horsepower numbers and nothing else. I used be a muscle car guy and it took me a while but I finally understood what makes a good sports car. The complete package!!!

On my previous Corvette C5, I spent loads of money trying to make that car handle like a true sports car. I finally discovered that as my grandmother used to say.....you can't make a racehorse out of a mule no matter how much money you throw at at! Once I test drove my '16 Nismo, I understood instantly and traded in my more powerful Corvette.


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SgtGoldy

I was under the impression that the corvettes (not sure if it applies to all generations) handled great.

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TN.Z

I am pretty sure that is a newish development for the corvette. Only the C6 and C7 handles well. Especially the C7

TheWolfe

Hey, I can actually confirm this! My grandparents (especially my grandfather) is very much a Ford guy, but he owns a business and all that and he likes to buy his dream cars. He's also a pretty nice guy and lets me drive them from time to time. He once had a C5 Corvette (fire engine red exterior, same color interior.... it was weird ), and that thing sucked to drive. Yeah, it was fairly quick off the line, but boy did it feel sluggish in the corners. He traded that in for a C6, and it's a lot better. Since he bought it new in '06, he's only put 6000 miles on it. Why? Because it doesn't feel like a "sports" car to him, just a regular car that goes fast... I think that's more of a compliment to Corvette than anything else, considering that when he wants to drive something fast he'll drive his Cobra or Boss 302. About a year or so ago, though, he got a Z06 and oh man does that thing handle phenomenally. If you've never been behind the wheel of a Z06, let me just tell you: it has incredible power and handling, more so than what it seems (at least to me, anyways). I've always assumed it would just be like the new-era Vipers, which are fast no doubt but handle like track cars (because they are). Nope. The closest thing I can relate a Z06's handling to is that it's somewhat like a 650 HP go-kart: everywhere you want it to go, it will go. It's kind of hard to explain, but I hope you get the gist.

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Cyber370

Nope. Only the C7 and some iterations of the C6 such as Z06 handle well. The C5 handled ok if you had the Z51 package but even then, the car chassis was too long and the steering was absolutely horrible, like something you'd find on an old Buick. The steering ratio was way off for a sports car. We won't even talk about the poor excuse for seats that C5's had. My seats were next on my list before I traded it in.


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SgtGoldy

Sounds like my car lol. TBH havent really thrown it around corners, but doesnt feel like a Z's steering at all. My seats though... MMMmmmm....

I never really cared for the corvette line, the stingray has caught my eye though. But now they're so common I cant bring myself to even consider it for the next purchase.

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