[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-03-2017, 06:27 PM

I could definitely rock that.

That's supposed to be the same engine for the 500HP Z right?

Tick64 · 03-03-2017, 08:20 PM

I hope so.

Spooler · 03-03-2017, 10:40 PM

They have to do something with that catfish front grille. RUGGLY

Ape Factory · 03-03-2017, 10:57 PM

Guessing the Black sport would come in about 60K given the RS is 53K base. That's assuming it has a new transmission. If it's the same 7-speed, figure on less than 60K. Right now they can't give the new Q60RS away and they've actually stopped production in Japan.

It's all vaporware at this point regardless. If you read the article, the KERS part of it doesn't even exist yet. Frankly, I don't understand why they just don't enlarge the snails slightly. No reason it couldn't produce 500hp with minimal lag with nothing more than a turbo swap. Guess it's easier to pass emissions while adding 100hp at the same time.

Redglare · 03-03-2017, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory

Guessing the Black sport would come in about 60K given the RS is 53K base. That's assuming it has a new transmission. If it's the same 7-speed, figure on less than 60K. Right now they can't give the new Q60RS away and they've actually stopped production in Japan.

It's all vaporware at this point regardless. If you read the article, the KERS part of it doesn't even exist yet. Frankly, I don't understand why they just don't enlarge the snails slightly. No reason it couldn't produce 500hp with minimal lag with nothing more than a turbo swap. Guess it's easier to pass emissions while adding 100hp at the same time.

they are hiking way too far up-market, again that's why the Q60RS is doing poorly,
53k base for an RS opens up the germans for those who want refinement and speed, opens up the Vette who just want pure speed, the dated 7AT as the only option is only doing harm, could have at least thrown a 6MT in there as an alternative.

http://dailysunknoxville.com/2018-in...t-rs/920011779

Ape Factory · 03-04-2017, 12:16 AM

It's also doing poorly because despite having 400hp, it's tepid. I just read the article you posted and no need to even compare it to the TT RS. Hell, a regular S3 or TT-S will outrun it quite easily. Numb steering (Audi has that too), no limited slip, no edge, maxed out turbos, average handling and 3800 plus pounds. I find my current ride to be far more stimulating and exciting than the RS, despite having 50 less hp and far less torque.

It does pair up well to the non-M and non-S cars but that ain't saying much these days. You can still option out a Q60RS and come in well under the competition and have 100 extra hp to boot. Still, it's only a 13 second car in the 1/4 mile and instrumented tests are nowhere to be found. Personally, I blame Carlos. That dude has done nothing but milk the brand for every last penny. It's like Vegas. Looks great but behind the scenes, it's all a facade.

chubbs · 03-04-2017, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory

So this looks interesting and fits in with the new Z 500hp Nismo version. I find the current Q60RS to be tepid. I could get into this version.
This is Infiniti's idea of a 500bhp Q60 with F1 tech | Top Gear

I've just realised what this is. It's a Honda Civic TypeR, on steroids. Not for me, I'm sorry to say.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-04-2017, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory

It's also doing poorly because despite having 400hp, it's tepid. I just read the article you posted and no need to even compare it to the TT RS. Hell, a regular S3 or TT-S will outrun it quite easily. Numb steering (Audi has that too), no limited slip, no edge, maxed out turbos, average handling and 3800 plus pounds. I find my current ride to be far more stimulating and exciting than the RS, despite having 50 less hp and far less torque.

It does pair up well to the non-M and non-S cars but that ain't saying much these days. You can still option out a Q60RS and come in well under the competition and have 100 extra hp to boot. Still, it's only a 13 second car in the 1/4 mile and instrumented tests are nowhere to be found. Personally, I blame Carlos. That dude has done nothing but milk the brand for every last penny. It's like Vegas. Looks great but behind the scenes, it's all a facade.

Are the turbos really maxed out? So you're the next Z won't be much of a tuner without coughing up major cash on new snails???

Zatanna Z · 03-05-2017, 02:37 PM

Isn't all this stuff about the new Z35 practically just rumors? I don't think Nissan themselves have released anything right?

Ape Factory · 03-05-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Are the turbos really maxed out? So you're the next Z won't be much of a tuner without coughing up major cash on new snails???

They are indeed. Stillen did a brief on it and referenced the compressor maps showing how upping the boost gets them well out of their efficiency range. All the gains are going to come from other efficiencies aka exhaust. And not everyone can run test pipes, nor should they. So you have that option and tuning. I know there are some Silver S models (SS for short!) which had decent gains with bolt on mods and a tune but a cat-back exhaust, by itself, is netting around 15hp. It's almost the same as the current platform. Little gains for big bucks.

I predict most Red Sports (RS) will maybe see around 440whp with all the bolt-ons and a tune. Not bad but I think 500hp is out of the question (safely).

Link:
https://blog.stillen.com/2016/12/to-...30ddtt-turbos/

Edit: The new Z is at least two years away so I wouldn't suggest things one way or another as they could change or "upgrade" the turbos between now and then. I think it's unlikely, given Nissan's snail pace for evolution and propensity to reuse old parts, they'll be any different than what's on the Infinitis. The SS turbos are the same as the RS but the RS has an optical sensor allowing the turbo to be spun faster and closer to it's limit.

chubbs · 03-05-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Zatanna Z

Isn't all this stuff about the new Z35 practically just rumors? I don't think Nissan themselves have released anything right?

This is true. It's just rumours.

However, on the 29th January, Nissan UK tweeted a link to this article - New Nissan Z-car concept gearing up for Tokyo 2017 | Auto Express

I don't think Nissan UK would link to fake news, unless of course they're employing Trump to update their twitter feed.

Zatanna Z · 03-05-2017, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chubbs

This is true. It's just rumours.

However, on the 29th January, Nissan UK tweeted a link to this article - New Nissan Z-car concept gearing up for Tokyo 2017 | Auto Express

I don't think Nissan UK would link to fake news, unless of course they're employing Trump to update their twitter feed.

It's really interesting to see what they do with the Z35... I'm worried about the cars for our future though. I feel like they might make them look too futuristic/robotic looking... I hope with the new Z35 the look is similar and they keep relatively the same engine but with a twin turbo. If they swap the VQ for something different that'll be kinda sad :/ I love this VQ engine in our current Z's But if Nissan gets the whp to 400 at least That'd be sweet

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-05-2017, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory

They are indeed. Stillen did a brief on it and referenced the compressor maps showing how upping the boost gets them well out of their efficiency range. All the gains are going to come from other efficiencies aka exhaust. And not everyone can run test pipes, nor should they. So you have that option and tuning. I know there are some Silver S models (SS for short!) which had decent gains with bolt on mods and a tune but a cat-back exhaust, by itself, is netting around 15hp. It's almost the same as the current platform. Little gains for big bucks.

I predict most Red Sports (RS) will maybe see around 440whp with all the bolt-ons and a tune. Not bad but I think 500hp is out of the question (safely).

Link:
https://blog.stillen.com/2016/12/to-...30ddtt-turbos/

Edit: The new Z is at least two years away so I wouldn't suggest things one way or another as they could change or "upgrade" the turbos between now and then. I think it's unlikely, given Nissan's snail pace for evolution and propensity to reuse old parts, they'll be any different than what's on the Infinitis. The SS turbos are the same as the RS but the RS has an optical sensor allowing the turbo to be spun faster and closer to it's limit.

This doesn't sit well with me. That sucks! Supra sounding better by the day... As far as Z release. If in fact the concept is shown this fall? The Z has a history of being available within 6 to 9 months afterwards. So we may actually see on next year? If in fact the concept comes out this fall.

FPenvy · 03-06-2017, 08:29 AM

Sooooo if stock turbos are maxed.......change them out for more power.

Dot see the point of people whining about it. If you buy any car and want more power it costs money. Get over it lol

Ape Factory · 03-06-2017, 08:58 AM

It'd be a problem to swap them out if no replacement exists. Have you taken a look at how the turbos are packaged?

03-03-2017, 06:27 PM	#3271 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	I could definitely rock that. That's supposed to be the same engine for the 500HP Z right? __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 03-03-2017 at 06:33 PM.

03-03-2017, 10:57 PM	#3274 (permalink)
Ape Factory Base Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: San Antonio Posts: 210 Drives: Audi RS5/QX70S Rep Power: 9	Guessing the Black sport would come in about 60K given the RS is 53K base. That's assuming it has a new transmission. If it's the same 7-speed, figure on less than 60K. Right now they can't give the new Q60RS away and they've actually stopped production in Japan. It's all vaporware at this point regardless. If you read the article, the KERS part of it doesn't even exist yet. Frankly, I don't understand why they just don't enlarge the snails slightly. No reason it couldn't produce 500hp with minimal lag with nothing more than a turbo swap. Guess it's easier to pass emissions while adding 100hp at the same time. __________________ '13 Audi RS5 Misano w/mods-The Red Mist '13 G37 IPL-SOLD

03-04-2017, 12:16 AM	#3276 (permalink)
Ape Factory Base Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: San Antonio Posts: 210 Drives: Audi RS5/QX70S Rep Power: 9	It's also doing poorly because despite having 400hp, it's tepid. I just read the article you posted and no need to even compare it to the TT RS. Hell, a regular S3 or TT-S will outrun it quite easily. Numb steering (Audi has that too), no limited slip, no edge, maxed out turbos, average handling and 3800 plus pounds. I find my current ride to be far more stimulating and exciting than the RS, despite having 50 less hp and far less torque. It does pair up well to the non-M and non-S cars but that ain't saying much these days. You can still option out a Q60RS and come in well under the competition and have 100 extra hp to boot. Still, it's only a 13 second car in the 1/4 mile and instrumented tests are nowhere to be found. Personally, I blame Carlos. That dude has done nothing but milk the brand for every last penny. It's like Vegas. Looks great but behind the scenes, it's all a facade. JARblue, Redglare and Kzonts like this. __________________ '13 Audi RS5 Misano w/mods-The Red Mist '13 G37 IPL-SOLD

03-05-2017, 02:37 PM	#3279 (permalink)
Zatanna Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Nebraska Posts: 254 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370z 6MT Rep Power: 8	Isn't all this stuff about the new Z35 practically just rumors? I don't think Nissan themselves have released anything right? DarkJak likes this.

03-06-2017, 08:58 AM	#3285 (permalink)
Ape Factory Base Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: San Antonio Posts: 210 Drives: Audi RS5/QX70S Rep Power: 9	It'd be a problem to swap them out if no replacement exists. Have you taken a look at how the turbos are packaged? UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ '13 Audi RS5 Misano w/mods-The Red Mist '13 G37 IPL-SOLD

03-03-2017, 08:20 PM	#3272 (permalink)
Tick64 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Vancouver Island,Canada Posts: 341 Drives: '11 370z Nismo MB Rep Power: 2478	I hope so.

03-03-2017, 10:40 PM	#3273 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,800 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	They have to do something with that catfish front grille. RUGGLY

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