[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

FPenvy · 02-06-2017, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

A Z concept is coming in the fall. A new Z shortly after. Within months.. Where's u go?

Oh please you act like I wasn't up on that when the info dropped at like 3 am lol

I was banned over some fuckin nonsense.....again.

Btw there's already a forum for the new Z made like a year ago

Sadly it hasn't taken off yet but now that it's a real thing it may gain some new members hopefully.

ThaeMaestro · 02-06-2017, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Crazy talk???? Chevy did it on the vette!!! The vette debuted at $53,000 and I stated it for the Nismo. Which will be about $50,000. So where in your brilliance is it unfathomable for Nissan to create in house carbon .

In house carbon seems like it'll happen sooner or later. Personally I think Nissan is more about weight control rather than weight reduction.

Also I think that GM has a WAY WAY bigger budget for the corvette. That's their brand figure. And to top that they sold somewhere close to as many corvettes in two years than the 370z sold in total. (In the USA). Budgets are WAY different. Nissan acts like the z is a bastard child while Chevy shows its pride for its baby. That's the difference.

Ps I love my little fat bastard z ...

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-06-2017, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaeMaestro

In house carbon seems like it'll happen sooner or later. Personally I think Nissan is more about weight control rather than weight reduction.

Also I think that GM has a WAY WAY bigger budget for the corvette. That's their brand figure. And to top that they sold somewhere close to as many corvettes in two years than the 370z sold in total. (In the USA). Budgets are WAY different. Nissan acts like the z is a bastard child while Chevy shows its pride for its baby. That's the difference.

Ps I love my little fat bastard z ...

I can agree with that. But if they're supposedly trying to make Nismo a more official tuner brand as they stated... They are going to have to spend a Lil money. Nissan profits have been through the roof since 2010. I think it's less about money and more about Carlos Ghosn not being a sports car enthusiast. He inherited a pre-production Z, he didn't push for its success.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-06-2017, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

Oh please you act like I wasn't up on that when the info dropped at like 3 am lol

I was banned over some fuckin nonsense.....again.

Btw there's already a forum for the new Z made like a year ago

Sadly it hasn't taken off yet but now that it's a real thing it may gain some new members hopefully.

Lol.... I'm often on the verge of being banned. Trips loves writing me angry letters about my choice of verbal structure. He been doing this all by himself a while. I get it. Some of these newbies will test your patience. I think I've seen that site but haven't joined. With no news about the Z. I will just wait till the Tokyo auto show. I miss shooting the shyt with you. Hopefully you can last on here without getting banned.

killrain · 02-06-2017, 10:46 PM

Magnesium sheet metal

ThaeMaestro · 02-06-2017, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz

Nissan is WAY over due on bringing the next gen Z to market. The likelihood of it being FI and moving up market pushed me to move on to a cayman gts.

And frankly, I think folks will look back at the 370Z as the Z car to have given its value, performance, and NA setup. I think its the best Z car next to the 240.

Agree with both statements.

I think the 370z's side profile has the basic sexy lines that will always be instyle. Also some of the features of the 370 are very unique such as the wide fenders and no need to roll the fenders. It's like they wanted us to tune it! I feel like they built a 350z and then they decided to tune it. Bore out the engine, add wide fenders, make it stiffer and lower and lighter. If this is the last fully analog z with the biggest displacement, it will be remembered as being in the top 2 z of al time.

King · 02-07-2017, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by killrain

Magnesium sheet metal

frrrraaaaaggggiiillleee....

Should make for some pretty fires on the 101 freeway though....

Ape Factory · 02-07-2017, 02:07 PM

Given the fact that they are using the exact same chassis as the outgoing model, with a few modifications, I don't see any particular weight savings in that area. If the dual clutch transmission comes with an aluminum magnesium hybrid case, there could be some weight savings there.

And Nissan may concentrate on keeping the center of gravity low, but unless they do employe lightweight construction techniques elsewhere, it isn't going to be that much lighter than the current car. I'm sure there are additional safety devices implemented due to regulations from the department of transportation, there may be additional weight penalties as a result of those "safety" features. Plus you have to look at the market and see what the competitors are offering on their vehicles. We can operate in a vacuum and just assumed that every 370z owner are all diehard enthusiasts like us, but we represent a very small portion of the overall ownership of this vehicle.

Too much of the running gear is exactly the same as the outgoing model sans the engine which of course is all new. And we already know that is slightly heavier than the outgoing naturally aspirated model. I can't to see them using smaller wheels, lighter brakes, etc. although I do you have hopes that they will indeed reduce the weight of the rest of the driveline. It's just that Nissan has a habit of dropping old parts in new bodywork and you can see it across their entire line of cars. They did it to the new Q60. That car doesn't even have an LSD in the RS version.

But two years can bring a lot of development. It'll be a long wait.

Nithmo · 02-07-2017, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Crazy talk???? Chevy did it on the vette!!! The vette debuted at $53,000 and I stated it for the Nismo. Which will be about $50,000. So where in your brilliance is it unfathomable for Nissan to create in house carbon fiber?

Secondly.... Yeah I believed their hype cuz that wasn't a rumor. That was Nissan talking smack in 2011:12 about new platforms for the Z. Just like they said. YOU WILL SEE THE IDX. I tend to believe companies when you assume they're trying to be competitive.

On the weight. Ricer X came to me with FACTS and he has some seriously valid points. But I'm also disappointed at 5 years of Nissan not ever having anything solid but the two things they did claim to be solid they didn't.

Everyone keeps missing the point. Sales. Or lack there of. Even before the new corvette was released, GM knew it would sell a ton of them. The same can't be said about the Z. If sales numbers can't rival the corvette, don't expect to get corvette tech and engineering. Simple as that.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-07-2017, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

Everyone keeps missing the point. Sales. Or lack there of. Even before the new corvette was released, GM knew it would sell a ton of them. The same can't be said about the Z. If sales numbers can't rival the corvette, don't expect to get corvette tech and engineering. Simple as that.

C6 sales were drastically low when they came out with the C7. They took a chance that they would sell them in droves DESPITE the market and thank God, they did. If Nissan putout an equally desirable product. They can seriously boost their sales. I know we can get back those 20,000 annual numbers with a class competitive car. But at the same time. I'd rather the Z remain as niche as it is.

It all boils down to a comment I made a week ago or longer.

Nissan is 80% made up of bread and butter cars. The Z should be less about the numbers and more about the heritage. If they built it for the passion? IT WILL SELL.

Carlos Ghosn is the worst thing that happened to the sports car aspect of Nissan. He's a liberal Greenpeace pansy who wants to build Prius competitors, not sports cars.

If Nissan had true enthusiasts high up like GM does? Your comment would have not a shred of relevance. It's only relevant based on who runs things. Not Nissan's overall potential to sell Z's in high numbers with the right people runnin shyt. The Z34 sold over 30,000 cars in the first 3 years and then things died off. I blame them taking long to rectify, issues and not making enough annual improvements while rivals made dramatic strides annually. Nissan would have sold more Z's if they would have fixed CSC year one, addressed cabin tech during the refresh year. Adding a worthy oil cooler and doing it mid year one as it was the first complaint. Would have tuned the base engine to 350 and tweaked 370hp out the Nismo. Updated materials during the extension years 7 and 8.

If you want people to care about your product. You have to act like you care about your product.

Nissan sold way less leafs but made drastic improvements every year to improve EV. They CHOSE to neglect the Z.

Nithmo · 02-07-2017, 06:32 PM

C6 sales were down at the end of their production run... As car sales always are down at the end of their life cycle. They still sold plenty C6s overall, giving them plenty of reason to build a follow up. They certainly didn't have to make it as good as it is- that's where I can see eye to eye with your assertion of the GM higher ups being true car guys. Personally, I've seen plenty of late model C6s.

That being said, Ghosn isn't the worst thing... You make it sound like the GTR is a green mobile, but in reality, it was anything but. Expensive? Yes. But it was built to compete, and compete it does.

Yes, besides that, they have little to offer as far as sporty vehicles go. Personally, I like the Juke Nismo RS. Decent power for a little commuter car, and one you can play around with for sure. The Z... Well, there's no denying the Z is being dragged out, but again, at least there are now rumours of the Z35 concept showing up soon.

You guys complain about Nissan losing its sportiness, but it's not Nissans fault. They are in the business of making money, not stirring people's souls. Nissan builds what the market demands, and just because there are 200 guys on here that want something ultra sporty, does not equate to the millions who don't care about such a car. Face it, it's not the early 90s anymore, when sporty offerings like the 180sx sold like hot cakes. Coupes are a tough sell these days and more and more people want CUVs, for the dumbest reasons.

Toyota has gone bland for the last 20 years... And they're making a killing doing so. Honda and Acura are the same... Acura is releasing an "A-Spec" version of the TLX which will have little more than nicer wheels and bumpers. No engine changes at all. Nissan is following suit. Hell, Mazda is no different. I can't speak for all miatas, but the NC Miata had a parts bin engine in it. Nothing special whatsoever.

It's a big risk for Nissan to put up the cash to develop a highly potent car, after 370z sales were garbage. There's very little incentive for them to do so. Yes, they build cookie cutter, bland as hell cars these days... But that's what people seemingly want. So by the end of it all, we should be blasting our friends and family for not buying more Zs. We are the ones to blame. Or rather, the people not buying are the ones to blame.

Kzonts · 02-07-2017, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

C6 sales were down at the end of their production run... As car sales always are down at the end of their life cycle. They still sold plenty C6s overall, giving them plenty of reason to build a follow up. They certainly didn't have to make it as good as it is- that's where I can see eye to eye with your assertion of the GM higher ups being true car guys. Personally, I've seen plenty of late model C6s.

That being said, Ghosn isn't the worst thing... You make it sound like the GTR is a green mobile, but in reality, it was anything but. Expensive? Yes. But it was built to compete, and compete it does.

Yes, besides that, they have little to offer as far as sporty vehicles go. Personally, I like the Juke Nismo RS. Decent power for a little commuter car, and one you can play around with for sure. The Z... Well, there's no denying the Z is being dragged out, but again, at least there are now rumours of the Z35 concept showing up soon.

You guys complain about Nissan losing its sportiness, but it's not Nissans fault. They are in the business of making money, not stirring people's souls. Nissan builds what the market demands, and just because there are 200 guys on here that want something ultra sporty, does not equate to the millions who don't care about such a car. Face it, it's not the early 90s anymore, when sporty offerings like the 180sx sold like hot cakes. Coupes are a tough sell these days and more and more people want CUVs, for the dumbest reasons.

Toyota has gone bland for the last 20 years... And they're making a killing doing so. Honda and Acura are the same... Acura is releasing an "A-Spec" version of the TLX which will have little more than nicer wheels and bumpers. No engine changes at all. Nissan is following suit. Hell, Mazda is no different. I can't speak for all miatas, but the NC Miata had a parts bin engine in it. Nothing special whatsoever.

It's a big risk for Nissan to put up the cash to develop a highly potent car, after 370z sales were garbage. There's very little incentive for them to do so. Yes, they build cookie cutter, bland as hell cars these days... But that's what people seemingly want. So by the end of it all, we should be blasting our friends and family for not buying more Zs. We are the ones to blame. Or rather, the people not buying are the ones to blame.

Nissan made nearly 20 billion dollars. I think they can afford the risk :-)

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-07-2017, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nithmo

C6 sales were down at the end of their production run... As car sales always are down at the end of their life cycle. They still sold plenty C6s overall, giving them plenty of reason to build a follow up. They certainly didn't have to make it as good as it is- that's where I can see eye to eye with your assertion of the GM higher ups being true car guys. Personally, I've seen plenty of late model C6s.

That being said, Ghosn isn't the worst thing... You make it sound like the GTR is a green mobile, but in reality, it was anything but. Expensive? Yes. But it was built to compete, and compete it does.

Yes, besides that, they have little to offer as far as sporty vehicles go. Personally, I like the Juke Nismo RS. Decent power for a little commuter car, and one you can play around with for sure. The Z... Well, there's no denying the Z is being dragged out, but again, at least there are now rumours of the Z35 concept showing up soon.

You guys complain about Nissan losing its sportiness, but it's not Nissans fault. They are in the business of making money, not stirring people's souls. Nissan builds what the market demands, and just because there are 200 guys on here that want something ultra sporty, does not equate to the millions who don't care about such a car. Face it, it's not the early 90s anymore, when sporty offerings like the 180sx sold like hot cakes. Coupes are a tough sell these days and more and more people want CUVs, for the dumbest reasons.

Toyota has gone bland for the last 20 years... And they're making a killing doing so. Honda and Acura are the same... Acura is releasing an "A-Spec" version of the TLX which will have little more than nicer wheels and bumpers. No engine changes at all. Nissan is following suit. Hell, Mazda is no different. I can't speak for all miatas, but the NC Miata had a parts bin engine in it. Nothing special whatsoever.

It's a big risk for Nissan to put up the cash to develop a highly potent car, after 370z sales were garbage. There's very little incentive for them to do so. Yes, they build cookie cutter, bland as hell cars these days... But that's what people seemingly want. So by the end of it all, we should be blasting our friends and family for not buying more Zs. We are the ones to blame. Or rather, the people not buying are the ones to blame.

So n essence you're saying. You're speaking for the masses and I'm speaking for 200 forum members.... basically.... smh

I never mentioned the GTR. But the GTR was relatively unchanged for 7 years. It was just tweaked. Considering it's a relatively production car for 100k based mainly on engine and tranny. The GTR is good profit for Nissan.

Let's not forget, the Z has been an infiniti parts bin car for 14 years. I don't really see how R&D has been so costly. The vq was in every infiniti for years until recently. Even the key fobs are identical within the brand.

I don't see any cars that Nissan builds that run on an independent platform like a corvette would. A corvette is NOT parts bin. A Z is if we're going to be realistic in our comparison..

I don't see how a parts bin sports car with a couple of ecu innovations can be such a drain on the Nissan brand?

A Z is one car for a niche segment.

Nissan has versa, sentra Altima maxima rogue Titan NV Leaf Juke and other vehicles where their profit margin is huge. If sports cars were money makers we'd have a bunch of them for sale. Since sports cars are niche, they shouldn't be built for the A TYPICAL. broker who wants to be a poser. U have BMW Porsche Mercedes for that. The Z needs to be built for those 200 drivers you threw to the side and the unspoken minority. That's why sports cars are special.

We are the representatives or ambassadors to the brand at the track, car show , events and on the strip. Sports car buyers sell the brand. People see our cars and walk into dealerships.

Then you have a car like the Juke for $24k with a Z shaped steering wheel Z type accents and people will buy that car as the first stepping stone to getting a Z. That's the long term goal of a car company. Getting the client to start small and trade up to the flagship or halo. The Z sells 2 and 3 cars before it is finally bought in almost half the purchases, if not more? Most people who bought Z's owned a Nissan product at one point. Hence the bread and butter effect.

In the end.... opinions are like azzholes.

I'm passionate about sports cars. In the end I know my money will go to the purest driving experience. 6 years ago. When I made that decision. I chose a Z. I'll be really sad if I can't get another gen of Z cuz they ruined it.

FPenvy · 02-07-2017, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy

Make me a mod FP & I'll come over

lol

That decision is not up to me but the main owner/admin would be the guy to hit up.

DOOMMONKEY777 · 02-08-2017, 05:14 PM

Hi gang!!! My biggest question here since the new Z expected to have auto tranny is, will the Z be AWD or RWD?

02-07-2017, 02:07 PM	#3203 (permalink)
Ape Factory Base Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: San Antonio Posts: 210 Drives: Audi RS5/QX70S Rep Power: 9	Given the fact that they are using the exact same chassis as the outgoing model, with a few modifications, I don't see any particular weight savings in that area. If the dual clutch transmission comes with an aluminum magnesium hybrid case, there could be some weight savings there. And Nissan may concentrate on keeping the center of gravity low, but unless they do employe lightweight construction techniques elsewhere, it isn't going to be that much lighter than the current car. I'm sure there are additional safety devices implemented due to regulations from the department of transportation, there may be additional weight penalties as a result of those "safety" features. Plus you have to look at the market and see what the competitors are offering on their vehicles. We can operate in a vacuum and just assumed that every 370z owner are all diehard enthusiasts like us, but we represent a very small portion of the overall ownership of this vehicle. Too much of the running gear is exactly the same as the outgoing model sans the engine which of course is all new. And we already know that is slightly heavier than the outgoing naturally aspirated model. I can't to see them using smaller wheels, lighter brakes, etc. although I do you have hopes that they will indeed reduce the weight of the rest of the driveline. It's just that Nissan has a habit of dropping old parts in new bodywork and you can see it across their entire line of cars. They did it to the new Q60. That car doesn't even have an LSD in the RS version. But two years can bring a lot of development. It'll be a long wait. __________________ '13 Audi RS5 Misano w/mods-The Red Mist '13 G37 IPL-SOLD

02-07-2017, 06:32 PM	#3206 (permalink)
Nithmo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Canada Posts: 219 Drives: 16 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 128	C6 sales were down at the end of their production run... As car sales always are down at the end of their life cycle. They still sold plenty C6s overall, giving them plenty of reason to build a follow up. They certainly didn't have to make it as good as it is- that's where I can see eye to eye with your assertion of the GM higher ups being true car guys. Personally, I've seen plenty of late model C6s. That being said, Ghosn isn't the worst thing... You make it sound like the GTR is a green mobile, but in reality, it was anything but. Expensive? Yes. But it was built to compete, and compete it does. Yes, besides that, they have little to offer as far as sporty vehicles go. Personally, I like the Juke Nismo RS. Decent power for a little commuter car, and one you can play around with for sure. The Z... Well, there's no denying the Z is being dragged out, but again, at least there are now rumours of the Z35 concept showing up soon. You guys complain about Nissan losing its sportiness, but it's not Nissans fault. They are in the business of making money, not stirring people's souls. Nissan builds what the market demands, and just because there are 200 guys on here that want something ultra sporty, does not equate to the millions who don't care about such a car. Face it, it's not the early 90s anymore, when sporty offerings like the 180sx sold like hot cakes. Coupes are a tough sell these days and more and more people want CUVs, for the dumbest reasons. Toyota has gone bland for the last 20 years... And they're making a killing doing so. Honda and Acura are the same... Acura is releasing an "A-Spec" version of the TLX which will have little more than nicer wheels and bumpers. No engine changes at all. Nissan is following suit. Hell, Mazda is no different. I can't speak for all miatas, but the NC Miata had a parts bin engine in it. Nothing special whatsoever. It's a big risk for Nissan to put up the cash to develop a highly potent car, after 370z sales were garbage. There's very little incentive for them to do so. Yes, they build cookie cutter, bland as hell cars these days... But that's what people seemingly want. So by the end of it all, we should be blasting our friends and family for not buying more Zs. We are the ones to blame. Or rather, the people not buying are the ones to blame. breitwbo likes this.

02-08-2017, 05:14 PM	#3210 (permalink)
DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,008 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 21	Hi gang!!! My biggest question here since the new Z expected to have auto tranny is, will the Z be AWD or RWD? __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane

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