[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-08-2017, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triso07

I think the Z is very useable. I've packed an incredible amount of gear in the hatch and gone on vacation in it with my wife.

2 seat only (hatch retained)
3000-3100lbs
350-400hp (turbo 6) (even though I would prefer NA TBH)
Brembo brakes (option)
Recaro Seats (option)
7 speed manual
7 speed DCT (option)
Better handling and braking
Slightly better materials for the interior
Slightly better sound proofing
NO vmotion grill

That will pull people aspiring to a Z from BRZ and FRS, people who want a Cayman but see the Z as a cheaper faster alternative, and if priced competitively people buying muscle cars who really just want a quick sporty coupe.

The engine options are already their. So it wouldn't be 350hp. You'd have a 300hp and a 400hp. You might see an entry level 4 banger between 211 and 241 hp depending on what tune they go with.

n/a we won't see for a while. Better to upgrade to a current Nismo n call it a day if NA is your thing

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-08-2017, 11:04 PM

No Z yet but Nissan brought the 141 whopping horses in the new Rogue Sport....

Cuz when we think sport? We think 141hp SUV'S!!

https://youtu.be/js68aJbuujs

Wonka2581 · 01-08-2017, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

No Z yet but Nissan brought the 141 whopping horses in the new Rogue Sport....

Cuz when we think sport? We think 141hp SUV'S!!

https://youtu.be/js68aJbuujs

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Nithmo · 01-08-2017, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triso07

I think the Z is very useable. I've packed an incredible amount of gear in the hatch and gone on vacation in it with my wife.

2 seat only (hatch retained)
3000-3100lbs
350-400hp (turbo 6) (even though I would prefer NA TBH)
Brembo brakes (option)
Recaro Seats (option)
7 speed manual
7 speed DCT (option)
Better handling and braking
Slightly better materials for the interior
Slightly better sound proofing
NO vmotion grill

That will pull people aspiring to a Z from BRZ and FRS, people who want a Cayman but see the Z as a cheaper faster alternative, and if priced competitively people buying muscle cars who really just want a quick sporty coupe.

Sorry, but this is one of the dumbest lists I've ever seen

What you're asking for is a 80-90k car.

3000-3100 pounds? Keep dreaming.

Better sound proofing? It's a sports car, not a luxury car. You also want it lightweight. Which is it?

Better handling? What's so bad about the handling? How do you make it "better"? ("I dunno, just do something!")

2 transmission options? Sorry, Nissan doesn't sell enough of these to offer that, nor do they make enough money on these to offer that. Yes, I know there's the AT and MT now, but something tells me what you're asking for is cost prohibitive yet again.

Brembo brakes? Why? Are the Akebonos bad? Yeah, Brembos are better because they're smaller and lighter and I believe dissipate heat better, but they don't magically make you stop better in normal daily or even "fun" street driving. You have to hauling *** through a track for them to make a difference.

Why 7MT? Because Porsche is doing it? How many are they selling? I'd be happy if the new Z even had a manual.

Nissan isnt building and selling a track purpose car. They never really did with the Z. Even the Nismo is just a slightly better version that isn't made to handle the track very well. The market for that is WAY too small for such a car. The Z is built for the street and it's brakes and suspension are more than adequate for that (assuming you get a higher trim).

What you're asking for is called an M3 or M4. Now compare the price tags and ask if you really want all that stuff again.

JARblue · 01-09-2017, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nithmo

Nissan isnt building and selling a track purpose car. They never really did with the Z.

Nissan actually did offer a 370Z Racecar model. It had beefed up parts ready for track use and a roll cage. It also cost $150K

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-09-2017, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

Nissan actually did offer a 370Z Racecar model. It had beefed up parts ready for track use and a roll cage. It also cost $150K

Yeah.... that was about $50,000 overpriced.

Wonka2581 · 01-09-2017, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah.... that was about $50,000 overpriced.

Z1 sells it

https://www.z1motorsports.com/nismo/...ar-p-5449.html

njobe89 · 01-09-2017, 09:02 AM

i wonder if anyone bought one and if it still has a csc failure

lol

plus for 150,000 couldn't they at least add a little bit more power :/

RicerX · 01-09-2017, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by triso07

I think the Z is very useable. I've packed an incredible amount of gear in the hatch and gone on vacation in it with my wife.

2 seat only (hatch retained)
3000-3100lbs
350-400hp (turbo 6) (even though I would prefer NA TBH)
Brembo brakes (option)
Recaro Seats (option)
7 speed manual
7 speed DCT (option)
Better handling and braking
Slightly better materials for the interior
Slightly better sound proofing
NO vmotion grill

That will pull people aspiring to a Z from BRZ and FRS, people who want a Cayman but see the Z as a cheaper faster alternative, and if priced competitively people buying muscle cars who really just want a quick sporty coupe.

Very isolated perspective you have.

I'm making my final diatribe in this thread. Stamping it done for me. I have pretty much moved on from the idea of a new Z and here's why:

When looking at this from a feasible business case perspective, the Z is a very usable car for an extremely small subset of the American car market. To that subset, yes you can pack for the beach for a week with your wife and rock out. I have done the same thing. I also had a Mazdaspeed3 hatchback at home for when I needed to haul drums, hockey gear, or a decent run at costco. I did those things far more frequently than I went to the beach (sadly, but realistically.) For the overwhelming majority of Americans, a two seater for $35k cannot do "life" like a $35k full sized truck or crossover can. Also, for that majority, their budgets only allow them to pick one.

That makes the Z a niche car even before you get to the sports car part (I mean, a Fiat 500 is basically a 2 seater and we won't dare call that rolling piece of Dots candy a sports car, do we?). In order for Nissan to have a case to produce one (skipping the whole "needing a market of buyers" part), it needs to engineer as few new parts as possible to keep the costs down. This is why even the 350Z (This is a car that sold abundantly well in comparison to the 370, by the way) still shared many components with other cars to maintain potential profitability (the G35 being the biggest share, which was Infiniti's best selling model throughout its entire lifecycle). So we share it with the new Q60 platform as an option (which is a rinse and repeat move, but the most likely one if they do it). However, while this is the most likely option, it is not without its fair share of problems.

The VR motor is there for the picking SHOULD NISSAN DECIDE that it's ok to potentially dilute/endanger Infiniti sales. Infiniti is finally on the upswing (a brand that was in dire jeopardy of being killed off by CEO Ghosn in 2011), and sharing engines that have been dubbed "brand exclusive" (see: Red Sport press release) jeopardizes that growth in a way that the Infiniti brand cannot afford. The only VR that can be brought over without encroaching upon the whole exclusivity thing is the 300hp version. This brings many problems, not least of which includes the marketing problem you create by bringing an "ALL NEW IMPROVED Z" with "less power" than the outgoing model. Less power is ok if you go less weight though, right?

The Q60 Red Sport is 3800-4000 pounds depending on equipment. You pull a "Rogue Sport/Qashqai vs Rogue" approach, and shorten the length without shortening the wheelbase and get a Z package from the Q60. That gets you to 3500 pounds at best, given the required safety features and such in order to sell the things in America. It checks a lot of required boxes for the car, except one glaring problem - there's no manual transmission built for it yet. So you have to make one, or alienate 55% of potential legacy Z buyers that you're looking to capture (the take rate on manuals over automatics varied between 50-60% throughout the 370Zs lifecycle to date). With the torque output of the VR motor, can the current 370Z transmission, CSC and all, hold up to that? That remains to be seen. But even though a manual transmission can be had in a Q50 (european diesel model only), was the Q60 built in such a way that a manual transmission simply cannot be equipped without extensive retooling? Given Infiniti's direction of being techy and futuristic in their packaging approach, this is more likely than not. Remember, this is a company whose engineers are working on engineering out the steering columns from their models.

Finally - to your desired set of features in the next gen Z, we come to the final problem. The most likely scenario is to take as much from a $55k Infiniti Coupe, and find a way to update the feature set of the car not even exhaustively found in the current $45k 370Z NISMO, and find a way to make all of that happen without getting to the $55k number of the Infiniti.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The current 370Z NISMO is the best you are going to get.

Taking all of these accounting challenges into... *ahem*... account (they aren't engineering challenges - we have seen what Nissan is capable of pulling off in the GT-R without holding money to the highest priority) and coupling them with the direction Nissan is taking as a brand, it just isn't going to happen. Nissan won't do it. There are two recently executed pure living sheetmetal examples of the end result of Nissan's ability to "push the envelope" in a sporty car, and thy names are "Maxima" and "Sentra NISMO".

These cars are the result of capitulating to the nagging desires of an enthusiast working on a project while "playing it safe" and keeping the bottom line in the black instead of taking a chance (from a monetary and design standpoint) and building something exciting. The Maxima was supposed to be different than an Altima, and it's not. The Sentra NISMO was supposed to be the answer to a Focus ST or Subaru WRX, and instead it's a baseline Nissan Juke powertrain in a Sentra with red stripes on the outside. (The only reason why a manual is in that car is because they have already built it - plug and play - platform to platform).

When Andy Palmer left Nissan for Aston Martin, I truly knew it was over... I just didn't want to admit it. He was the last ranking car guy left in that company. Before he left, there were insiders I was talking that spoke of a 450hp version of what eventually came to be the VR Red Sport motor in the Infinitis for the next gen Z. There was the iDX concept.

Now look at what's happened to Nissan since he has left - more flavors of CVT-driven crossovers, a new light-heavyweight full size truck, a non-revolutionary "revolutionary" flagship sedan, a six-year-old SUV from Infiniti, and two 10-year-old sports cars.

What's Andy Palmer doing? He's busy giving the middle finger to the "reduce displacement and add boost for efficiency" mantra that even Porsche is now adopting, and stuffing giant N/A V12s into flagship GT Sports Cars (see: V12 Vanquish S) with THREE PEDALS available. Yeah, Aston is also building a crossover (I get it, you need a "volume" seller to make the R&D easier to absorb, but at least they're building exciting cool ****), but you can see a guy at the top is able to influence what is built, and that influence is executed from his vision for his company. Palmer's vision is exciting, elegant performance cars. Ghosn's vision is one of pure utility and economy for transportation itself (autonomy and energy independent), and perhaps it's the right one for a volume carmaker.

Ghosn was hired with the task of making Nissan profitable again. He's done that in spades. Nissan is a money-making machine. The man propped up Nissan, used Nissan to prop up Renault, and is about to prop up Mitsubishi. How they've done it and continue to do that is with a portfolio of products that exude a philosophy that doesn't mesh with cars like 370Zs and GT-Rs.

I would rather see the Z die quietly than become a part of that philosophy.

Even Kia has a better idea of what a sport sedan should be these days, if that puts things into better perspective for you. Go look at the new Stinger and tell me if the Maxima holds even a dim candle to it.

NRTim · 01-09-2017, 12:33 PM

Not the next Z but we're getting there Nissan.....

Vmotion 2.0 concept:

Wonka2581 · 01-09-2017, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

When Andy Palmer left Nissan for Aston Martin, I truly knew it was over... I just didn't want to admit it. He was the last ranking car guy left in that company. Before he left, there were insiders I was talking that spoke of a 450hp version of what eventually came to be the VR Red Sport motor in the Infinitis for the next gen Z. There was the iDX concept.

Now look at what's happened to Nissan since he has left - more flavors of CVT-driven crossovers, a new light-heavyweight full size truck, a non-revolutionary "revolutionary" flagship sedan, a six-year-old SUV from Infiniti, and two 10-year-old sports cars.

What's Andy Palmer doing? He's busy giving the middle finger to the "reduce displacement and add boost for efficiency" mantra that even Porsche is now adopting, and stuffing giant N/A V12s into flagship GT Sports Cars (see: V12 Vanquish S) with THREE PEDALS available. Yeah, Aston is also building a crossover (I get it, you need a "volume" seller to make the R&D easier to absorb, but at least they're building exciting cool ****), but you can see a guy at the top is able to influence what is built, and that influence is executed from his vision for his company. Palmer's vision is exciting, elegant performance cars. Ghosn's vision is one of pure utility and economy for transportation itself (autonomy and energy independent), and perhaps it's the right one for a volume carmaker.

Ghosn was hired with the task of making Nissan profitable again. He's done that in spades. Nissan is a money-making machine. The man propped up Nissan, used Nissan to prop up Renault, and is about to prop up Mitsubishi. How they've done it and continue to do that is with a portfolio of products that exude a philosophy that doesn't mesh with cars like 370Zs and GT-Rs.

I would rather see the Z die quietly than become a part of that philosophy.

Even Kia has a better idea of what a sport sedan should be these days, if that puts things into better perspective for you. Go look at the new Stinger and tell me if the Maxima holds even a dim candle to it.

BINGO..

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-09-2017, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

Very isolated perspective you have.

I'm making my final diatribe in this thread. Stamping it done for me. I have pretty much moved on from the idea of a new Z and here's why:

When looking at this from a feasible business case perspective, the Z is a very usable car for an extremely small subset of the American car market. To that subset, yes you can pack for the beach for a week with your wife and rock out. I have done the same thing. I also had a Mazdaspeed3 hatchback at home for when I needed to haul drums, hockey gear, or a decent run at costco. I did those things far more frequently than I went to the beach (sadly, but realistically.) For the overwhelming majority of Americans, a two seater for $35k cannot do "life" like a $35k full sized truck or crossover can. Also, for that majority, their budgets only allow them to pick one.

That makes the Z a niche car even before you get to the sports car part (I mean, a Fiat 500 is basically a 2 seater and we won't dare call that rolling piece of Dots candy a sports car, do we?). In order for Nissan to have a case to produce one (skipping the whole "needing a market of buyers" part), it needs to engineer as few new parts as possible to keep the costs down. This is why even the 350Z (This is a car that sold abundantly well in comparison to the 370, by the way) still shared many components with other cars to maintain potential profitability (the G35 being the biggest share, which was Infiniti's best selling model throughout its entire lifecycle). So we share it with the new Q60 platform as an option (which is a rinse and repeat move, but the most likely one if they do it). However, while this is the most likely option, it is not without its fair share of problems.

The VR motor is there for the picking SHOULD NISSAN DECIDE that it's ok to potentially dilute/endanger Infiniti sales. Infiniti is finally on the upswing (a brand that was in dire jeopardy of being killed off by CEO Ghosn in 2011), and sharing engines that have been dubbed "brand exclusive" (see: Red Sport press release) jeopardizes that growth in a way that the Infiniti brand cannot afford. The only VR that can be brought over without encroaching upon the whole exclusivity thing is the 300hp version. This brings many problems, not least of which includes the marketing problem you create by bringing an "ALL NEW IMPROVED Z" with "less power" than the outgoing model. Less power is ok if you go less weight though, right?

The Q60 Red Sport is 3800-4000 pounds depending on equipment. You pull a "Rogue Sport/Qashqai vs Rogue" approach, and shorten the length without shortening the wheelbase and get a Z package from the Q60. That gets you to 3500 pounds at best, given the required safety features and such in order to sell the things in America. It checks a lot of required boxes for the car, except one glaring problem - there's no manual transmission built for it yet. So you have to make one, or alienate 55% of potential legacy Z buyers that you're looking to capture (the take rate on manuals over automatics varied between 50-60% throughout the 370Zs lifecycle to date). With the torque output of the VR motor, can the current 370Z transmission, CSC and all, hold up to that? That remains to be seen. But even though a manual transmission can be had in a Q50 (european diesel model only), was the Q60 built in such a way that a manual transmission simply cannot be equipped without extensive retooling? Given Infiniti's direction of being techy and futuristic in their packaging approach, this is more likely than not. Remember, this is a company whose engineers are working on engineering out the steering columns from their models.

Finally - to your desired set of features in the next gen Z, we come to the final problem. The most likely scenario is to take as much from a $55k Infiniti Coupe, and find a way to update the feature set of the car not even exhaustively found in the current $45k 370Z NISMO, and find a way to make all of that happen without getting to the $55k number of the Infiniti.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The current 370Z NISMO is the best you are going to get.

Taking all of these accounting challenges into... *ahem*... account (they aren't engineering challenges - we have seen what Nissan is capable of pulling off in the GT-R without holding money to the highest priority) and coupling them with the direction Nissan is taking as a brand, it just isn't going to happen. Nissan won't do it. There are two recently executed pure living sheetmetal examples of the end result of Nissan's ability to "push the envelope" in a sporty car, and thy names are "Maxima" and "Sentra NISMO".

These cars are the result of capitulating to the nagging desires of an enthusiast working on a project while "playing it safe" and keeping the bottom line in the black instead of taking a chance (from a monetary and design standpoint) and building something exciting. The Maxima was supposed to be different than an Altima, and it's not. The Sentra NISMO was supposed to be the answer to a Focus ST or Subaru WRX, and instead it's a baseline Nissan Juke powertrain in a Sentra with red stripes on the outside. (The only reason why a manual is in that car is because they have already built it - plug and play - platform to platform).

When Andy Palmer left Nissan for Aston Martin, I truly knew it was over... I just didn't want to admit it. He was the last ranking car guy left in that company. Before he left, there were insiders I was talking that spoke of a 450hp version of what eventually came to be the VR Red Sport motor in the Infinitis for the next gen Z. There was the iDX concept.

Now look at what's happened to Nissan since he has left - more flavors of CVT-driven crossovers, a new light-heavyweight full size truck, a non-revolutionary "revolutionary" flagship sedan, a six-year-old SUV from Infiniti, and two 10-year-old sports cars.

What's Andy Palmer doing? He's busy giving the middle finger to the "reduce displacement and add boost for efficiency" mantra that even Porsche is now adopting, and stuffing giant N/A V12s into flagship GT Sports Cars (see: V12 Vanquish S) with THREE PEDALS available. Yeah, Aston is also building a crossover (I get it, you need a "volume" seller to make the R&D easier to absorb, but at least they're building exciting cool ****), but you can see a guy at the top is able to influence what is built, and that influence is executed from his vision for his company. Palmer's vision is exciting, elegant performance cars. Ghosn's vision is one of pure utility and economy for transportation itself (autonomy and energy independent), and perhaps it's the right one for a volume carmaker.

Ghosn was hired with the task of making Nissan profitable again. He's done that in spades. Nissan is a money-making machine. The man propped up Nissan, used Nissan to prop up Renault, and is about to prop up Mitsubishi. How they've done it and continue to do that is with a portfolio of products that exude a philosophy that doesn't mesh with cars like 370Zs and GT-Rs.

I would rather see the Z die quietly than become a part of that philosophy.

Even Kia has a better idea of what a sport sedan should be these days, if that puts things into better perspective for you. Go look at the new Stinger and tell me if the Maxima holds even a dim candle to it.

BUT WAIT.... THERES MORE!!! LMAO.... I think Nissan is reading our threads and our angry rants. To answer all the new car news and surprises. Nissan announced more mystery!!!!

The Nissan BladeGlider isn't dead yet | Top Gear

The novelty sports car we barely give a fvck about might come to fruition and compete against a slingshot and T Rex. The Blade Glider. I guess Nissan got so butt hurt in my Kia RANT they hadda drop some unnecessary and off topic sports car news to give us a shred of hope....

Maybe tomorrow they'll say the IDX is coming?

triso07 · 01-09-2017, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nithmo

Sorry, but this is one of the dumbest lists I've ever seen

What you're asking for is a 80-90k car.

3000-3100 pounds? Keep dreaming.

Better sound proofing? It's a sports car, not a luxury car. You also want it lightweight. Which is it?

Better handling? What's so bad about the handling? How do you make it "better"? ("I dunno, just do something!")

2 transmission options? Sorry, Nissan doesn't sell enough of these to offer that, nor do they make enough money on these to offer that. Yes, I know there's the AT and MT now, but something tells me what you're asking for is cost prohibitive yet again.

Brembo brakes? Why? Are the Akebonos bad? Yeah, Brembos are better because they're smaller and lighter and I believe dissipate heat better, but they don't magically make you stop better in normal daily or even "fun" street driving. You have to hauling *** through a track for them to make a difference.

Why 7MT? Because Porsche is doing it? How many are they selling? I'd be happy if the new Z even had a manual.

Nissan isnt building and selling a track purpose car. They never really did with the Z. Even the Nismo is just a slightly better version that isn't made to handle the track very well. The market for that is WAY too small for such a car. The Z is built for the street and it's brakes and suspension are more than adequate for that (assuming you get a higher trim).

What you're asking for is called an M3 or M4. Now compare the price tags and ask if you really want all that stuff again.

Very strange emotional response there.

3100lbs is unreasonable? The current Z weighs 3300lbs. The Juke weighs 3100lbs with AWD and a CUV bodystyle. 3100lbs does not seem an unreasonable ask if you get a stripper car.

Better sound proofing = luxury car? I didn't say it has to be a Mercedes. Quell some of the creaks, rattles, wind noise, tire roar. They just did this recently with the GTR.

Nothing is wrong with the current Z's handling, nor did I ever say there was. That doesn't mean you don't look to improve. Each generation Camaro has been increasing their handling capabilities, just look at the 1LE. You don't just leave things as they are because they're good ... you evolve. It's a selling point.

Two transmission choices is a problem? They have DCTs in their lineup, use one in the Z and retain a manual for purists. It's an option. People would be over the moon if they offered a DCT in the Z.

7 speed because highway cruise gear. Not necessary but again, they need to stay competitive and 7 is quickly becoming the new 6. You'd be happy if the new Z even has a manual? You expect too little.

Pretty sure I didn't mention anything about a track car (though it would be nice to have more variants in the Z lineup). Me saying I think they should improve braking and handling does not equate to building a track car. That's quite a jump.

They are selling base Vettes for 49k. A Nismo Z comparably equipped is like 46k new and it offers no where near the performance of a Vette. Honestly it doesn't even compete with the Camaro 1LE. Admittedly they're different cars, but people looking to pick up the Z because it's a sporty looking car that has good performance per dollar are going elsewhere because there are better options on the market.

I did not see a single valid reason why what I listed is inconceivable in a modern sports coupe in today's competitive market.

Nissan absolutely is missing the boat right now. They have the capability to siphon some muscle car buyers, get BRZ owners to upgrade, and pull people who really want higher level vettes and caymans but can't afford them. Instead they are sitting idly by not looking for market share.

Wonka2581 · 01-09-2017, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

BUT WAIT.... THERES MORE!!! LMAO.... I think Nissan is reading our threads and our angry rants. To answer all the new car news and surprises. Nissan announced more mystery!!!!

The Nissan BladeGlider isn't dead yet | Top Gear

The novelty sports car we barely give a fvck about might come to fruition and compete against a slingshot and T Rex. The Blade Glider. I guess Nissan got so butt hurt in my Kia RANT they hadda drop some unnecessary and off topic sports car news to give us a shred of hope....

Maybe tomorrow they'll say the IDX is coming?

Let's just face the facts, Nissan as we knew it is dead. RicerX hit the nail on the head when he stated, when Andy Palmer left the company it was GAME OVER nothing will happen with a new sports car anytime soon or unless Carlos Ghosn leaves the company. Enjoy your Z that you have now because it's about to take the same role in history much like the Toyota Supra did a timeless sports car.

njobe89 · 01-09-2017, 02:05 PM

they'll probably come out with something, just won't be anything that any of us really want lol

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njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174285	they'll probably come out with something, just won't be anything that any of us really want lol RicerX likes this. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

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