[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It's not that they disagree. It's the. People can't afford superstars making comments crap and assuming we don't know enough about the LFA. THATS THE ISSUE.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

You're doing the same thing - assuming we don't know the history, and assuming that we must be ill-informed if we have a different opinion.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

All opinions are equal cuz they are just opinions. Period.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Damn..... we rustled up the fanboy b1cth n3ss in some people.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

It's the people can't afford supercars making comments crap and assuming we don't know enough about the LFA. THATS THE ISSUE.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

If opinions are all equal, how come someone disagreeing with yours must be because of their "fanboy b1cth n3ss"?

I get it, we all like different cars. That's fine. And opinions on the internet are worth exactly what you paid for them. But it's possible to like certain cars and dislike certain cars without it being fanboy b1cth n3ss.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Touche.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

If opinions are all equal, how come someone disagreeing with yours must be because of their "fanboy b1cth n3ss"?

I get it, we all like different cars. That's fine. And opinions on the internet are worth exactly what you paid for them. But it's possible to like certain cars and dislike certain cars without it being fanboy b1cth n3ss.

Originally Posted by dirk mcgurck

so...manual or automatic?

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

By the way. When the LFA was initially announced as a concept. It was supposed to be a $150,000 GTR killer. The GTR at the time was $78,000 for the base and $85,000 for the premium.
Just like the GT-86. People were originally promised a 2700lb turbo ranging between 250 & 300hp with a base price of $22,000.

Both the LFA and FRS once production was being finalized. They didn't live up to either promise. Instead if admitting they couldn't build what they promised. They started huge advertising promos kicking automotive philosophy and Toyota going back to its roots.

The reason why the Z community was hype about the FRS was because we were told we were going to have a true Z competitor. A car that had less power. We guesstimated 280hp but was 600lbs lighter, so we could actually have a track competitor. They failed at that too.

Then they made documentaries and adds to derail the initial competitive claims. Nice save Toyota . This Supra is supposed to redeem themselves by FINALLY giving the people what they've been expecting for a looong time. Toyota spent 15 years being what Nissan is turning into.

So before you criticize our opinions. Know a Lil bit of the pre-history.

Originally Posted by Nithmo

I've never heard anything of the such. Please provide articles supporting your statements.

Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

So...manual or automatic?

Originally Posted by Cyber370

Agreed. I can't believe how much ignorance is sometimes dished out on forums. Anyone that says the LFA was a failure knows absolutely nothing about the car and needs to read up on it or watch the documentary on the making of it. Toyota never meant for it to be a mass-produced supercar. It was meant to showcase what Toyota was capable of producing if money was not an issue. It was a hand-built work of art made in very limited numbers. It was an amazing achievement in every way. Nissan tried to do the same thing with the GTR but on a budget and on an assembly line. Both cars way exceeded expectations and objectives.

Originally Posted by MT

As for what its worth on the street? You need only hear the intoxicating bark of that V-10 touching 9000 rpm to know the answer.

Every penny.

Originally Posted by Jordo!

As a feat of engineering, it's impressive. However, for the cost it trails the much less expensive GT-R

Lexus LFA vs Nissan GT-R - FastestLaps.com

It's not a shop car or a project car. It's a factory built, road legal supercar. It sounds lovely and looks amazing, but that makes it a beautiful work of art and a staggeringly overpriced sportscar.

As to who can afford what: I can afford neither a GT-R nor a LFA.

Even so, I understand the concept of value for the money.

The conclusion of this article is interesting: 2012 Lexus LFA vs 2010 Nissan GT-R Comparison - Motor Trend



Seriously? A 375 grand noisemaker?

That's a noise maker for people who have palatial estates, private wine cellars and a yacht or two. I guess Toyota built it for people who want to take a noisy drive in the Hamptons

When the GT-R is identified as the pragmatic, bang-for-the-buck, "everyman"'s car that really says something