[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

b15

Agree, I think BSM is useless. I've driven tons of rentals with them and ignore it always. A simple mirror check is always better

I only find it useful when I can't see anything out the sides. Like backing out of a spot in a busy lot. Other than that I never really use it.

ZHighlander

Except he made this blanket statement, which seems to berate those who are interested in safety/aid technology.





I agree, but it's not always by choice.

Sure, but just because someone uses said tools, doesn't necessarily mean they're bad at the task. I've honed my parallel parking back when I had to park in Berkely, CA, during rush hour University hours. When a tool is available to make the process easier, and done with better precision, I'm gonna use it.

Then you're gonna hate the future of Autopilots with people playing on their phones and letting the Tech do everything for them. I'm just gonna wait for the first gen to release and watch the news with popcorn at the ready.

hurahn

Isn't the reason for the camera is because people kept running over their kids while backing out driveways?

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ZHighlander

The concept and the application of the Backup camera was introduced long before any regulation was set for them. There was a concept car in the 1950s that had one, but it wasn't in production.

However, the relatively recent regulation for backup cameras is because of people getting backed into, particularly kids.

Jordo!

I get what you are saying. But visceral is ultimately always subjectively "authentic".

The feedback you are getting is all funneled through a tuned set of shock absorbers, springs, tires, chassis bracing, and so on. It's adjusted according to the padding on the steering wheel and the calluses on your hands. Its affected by your attention and memory-based versions of past experiences (themselves a cobbled together semblance of something resembling reality).

The inputs are always muted or modified or somehow adjusted, and we adapt to that. If you turn the car and can't feel the road, the feedback system has failed, and in the absence of any road contact feedback, you'll have to rely 100% on your eyes or the sensation of vestibular re-orientation, as if the car is gliding. Take out the feedback from your inner ear, and you get vertigo, the eye movements failing to match the head and body's re-orientation experiences.

It's a very wide continuum is all I'm saying. It's not an on/off switch.

You may not like it, and your reasons for being dubious about it are valid. Nissan may do a poor job engineering the tech, or they do a great job and some drivers will still bristle at the thought of yet another disconnect from their ultimately subjective and highly personal version of their driving experience.

My (overly optimistic?) hope is that this will lead to an incredibly tunable level of control over how driver inputs and road feedback are adjusted to the individual driver. That sounds pretty cool to me.

It may suck and individual results may vary.

The comparison to video games always comes up. I personally find 1st person shooters non-immersive and headache inducing; I like 3rd person "movie" style action games and find them incredibly immersive.

It's perceptual, and perceptions are adaptive and subjective.

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njobe89

i just got bad news, the z will no longer be produced. i heard this from ryan locthe

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Hahaha this made my morning much better. Well played sir

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Firebase99

Well Ill have you know I have it on good authority Brian Williams from NBC said he personally saw the new Z35 lineup in Japan just 2 weeks ago. Its a go boys.

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JARblue

What makes you say that? I am all for the technology doing EVERYTHING as long as I can still drive my own car. But until then, these fuckin people are still in control of huge masses of steel on wheels, and giving them more opportunities to distract themselves is not a good thing.

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b15

I hope the next Z has auto pilot alongside a 500hp TT v6, and clocks in at 2000lbs. That way I can download the latest update for the track and sit in the passenger seat to enjoy the sports car experience. I can also brag about my lap times on social media WHILE I'm on the track! All of this for $25k too. Fingers crossed, come on Nissan!

mishuko

See I find hard to believe. He wasn't at gun point.

posades

Ryan Lochte jokes almost a full month after the Olympics? That is pretty impressive, unless we have some Dancing with the Stars fans in here.

ZHighlander

I'm thinking in terms of the initial years of Autopilot, which will involve a lot of trial and error. You know there's going to be a disclaimer that the driver, while under autonomous driving, should still be alert and be prepared to take the wheel at any given time. But many will ignore that and probably play on their phone or even take a nap.

And while there are those who may fully trust autonomous driving, you're still going to have plenty of people who aren't using it, and you still have to watch out for their unpredictable behavior.

So as you say, you don't like the idea of people being completely reliant on tech, which could make them complacent, and potentially a worse driver, I see the first years of Autonomous driving being a lot of that.

UNKNOWN_370

I'm not gonna be a crash test dummy for a corporation.

https://youtu.be/qQkx-4pFjus


https://www.google.com/amp/s/electre...n-dashcam/amp/

https://youtu.be/6Glf15CiEho

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JARblue

I don't believe autonomous driving (even shitty 1st gen) is going to make this any worse. Defensive driving? That's par for the course already. We'll just have to wait and see.

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