[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

allZeeingeye · 07-21-2016, 06:08 PM

In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over.

wanderer1234 · 07-21-2016, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

Huh?

Oh... you must have gotten that 800lbs from the weight difference between your beloved Porsche Cayman and the Camaro. Well... the Camaro SS already out-accelerates the GT4 with the extra 800lbs. But if you're really curious as to how that works out in your argument with a weight reduction, you'll be able to get a Z/28 with reduced weight for several thousand less than the GT4, and it will likely walk all over it.

For those of us in the room talking about evolving/redesigning an existing product, the Camaro SS of today shed roughly 300lbs from its previous model. It added 24hp and 35tq. That, along with some suspension revisions, translated to a half a second improvement on a 0-60 time, greater lateral acceleration, and better braking. It is also capable of dipping into the 11s on the quarter mile off the lot when the old model was in the high 12s. (WHAT?!) It also does this for a modest price increase of roughly $3,000 from the previous generation. I will save you some math, since that is hard - that is not even a 10% increase in price.

Now tell me, sir, what kind of ramen-noodle-eating, bud-light-drinking, money saving sorcery is this ****?! Please pinch me... I must be dreaming that a company can significantly upgrade and evolve their product and offer it at a competitive price point.

Ford reduced weight and added power on the Mustang. Mazda SIGNIFICANTLY reduced weight with the Miata and provided a more efficient engine, though down on power, and it translated into a faster car.

We can expect Nissan to do the same. We expect them to do so because they have the tools at their disposal to do so. Follow me into the toolbox below:

The Infiniti Q50 is based on the existing FM platform that upholds the Z and G coupes. It is retooled with lighter weight materials. It is now available with a 400hp twin turbo V6. It makes that power using a modest 14.7psi of boost. That motor produces not only 400hp, but an orgasmic 350lb-ft of torque across 1800-5200 RPMs! It's orgasmic because it's peak torque across a broad range. Feel free to google that whole "power under the curve" concept. Because, in most cases, that translates to BETTER PERFORMANCE.

Now, kids... what did we just learn about our toolbox? A lighter platform that is already built to house a higher performance engine! Both of which are in production! Guess what that means, kids? We have a more powerful business case! We may even be able to stick to a similar price point with our new model Z because... well, not only do we have the tools, but OUR COMPETITION IS ALSO DOING IT!

Why are we in business? TO COMPETE.

A 3100lb Z pushing 400 to 450hp for $45k is what we would call COMPETITIVE. FOR 2016. We aren't trying to be competitive in 1970. Gas isn't 86 cents a gallon. Apples don't cost a nickel. Oldsmobile doesn't make cars.

You can spend your $85k on a niche premium branded car that, despite what you may think, is a limited production car (examples are Cayman GT4, GT-R Nismo) and not what we refer to as a full scale production car (370Z, Camaro SS) and be slower than some other sports cars that cost less, but have a gorgeous, exclusive machine that can perform very well. Or, by your logic, buy a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa and be slower than everyone else on this board, but hey, you have a Ferrari, right? Nothing could possibly be faster for the money you spent - that **** was top of the line, state of the art! NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE THAT KIND OF POWER WITH LESS THAN A FLAT 12! YOU MUST BE DREAMING!

I would quote the rest of your posts and obliterate them accordingly, but I'm too busy dreaming. Wake me up later when I'm right.

Keep dreaming bro. Lol. That's all I can say. It ain't gonna happen because with those numbers the performance is close to GTR performance. Nissan has already said, if you want performance go GTR and stop hanging around the Z. I can't afford a GTR and I'm not bitching about what Nissan has to offer me.

Stop talking about domestic cars such as Camaro's and Mustang's those are a dime a dozen. Everyone and their mom has one. lol. We don't care about them domestic cars, that's why we are on the Z forum. If you do, you shouldn't be here. Lol. And you can't compare V8's to a V6. The VQ engine we have is one of the highest HP NA V6 around. So yeah, your point is invalid.

I understand you want a cheap fast car so you can say, "oh my 45k Z is just as fast as a 120k GTR why would I go that route". That's exactly what Nissan doesn't want to hear. Besides Nissan makes cars for the general crowd. They don't care about the few that bitch and moan about how heavy and low on horse it is. It's not gonna hurt them that one person won't buy it because there's 10 other that will buy it. The ones that want more power and performance will go GTR. That's why they have a super car around and the Z is their sports car. Business 101 bro.

Until it happens, I don't think your wish will come true. Just accept the fact that the Z is probably not gonna change much. Might as well get your Z now before it shrinks in SIZE and POWAH and then you'll really bitch and complain.

NISMO IX · 07-21-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by njobe89

and i don't mean any disrespect, but if you are going to enter and b!tch about me b!tiching, wouldn't you be just adding to the endless b!tching?

lol I wasn't, I was merely pointing out fact. I don't really care. I check into this thread often, so it doesn't bother me. If you don't like what you see then don't enter.

killrain · 07-21-2016, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allZeeingeye

In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over.

Dont forget, no manual transmission. Only paddles.

Volk Z · 07-21-2016, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ramoszx12r

Well It look like 2016 is the last year.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...A5IAP2bSAz9JrQ

Tell me you're not going off from that article you linked... Its full of false information and claims that don't exist. It said a concept Z was released in 2015?? Ummm negative, no concept has been released. It also states a 300hp 4 Cylinder turbo motor and that's the only engine...

We all can say that most likely a V6TT 400hp and 4 cylinder turbo engine will be offered under speculation but that article is garbage.

Volk Z · 07-21-2016, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by allZeeingeye

In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over.

The next Z wont be hybrid nor an outsourced engine as they have the VR30DTT Nissan engine.... Hybrid would be too expensive and not make sense for the Z platform.

When the next Z comes with a 410+hp V6TT motor you are telling me you will be glad you got your Nismo?

I had a Nismo and personally it was a fun car but my modded 350Z was much more fun to drive. When a new Z takes minimal money to put 500 wheel horsepower down while the 370z needs 10k+ to make that power with a TT kit you may be looking at the New Z. Unless you don't care about a lot of power. In that case then by all means enjoy your 2016 as its a fun car.

I was underwhelmed by the 350hp to the crank in the Nismo.

MagmaRed370z · 07-21-2016, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramoszx12r

Well It look like 2016 is the last year.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...A5IAP2bSAz9JrQ

2016 is not the last year. There are already 2017s out there. If you go to nissanusa.com and select the Z you can clearly see that it says 2017 as the model year.

ramoszx12r · 07-21-2016, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allZeeingeye

In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over.

That is what i am thinking.

layhum · 07-21-2016, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allZeeingeye

In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over.

The 2017 is the exact same as the 2016. I was thinking like you when I first got it back in Nov 2015.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-21-2016, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

Huh?

Oh... you must have gotten that 800lbs from the weight difference between your beloved Porsche Cayman and the Camaro. Well... the Camaro SS already out-accelerates the GT4 with the extra 800lbs. But if you're really curious as to how that works out in your argument with a weight reduction, you'll be able to get a Z/28 with reduced weight for several thousand less than the GT4, and it will likely walk all over it.

For those of us in the room talking about evolving/redesigning an existing product, the Camaro SS of today shed roughly 300lbs from its previous model. It added 24hp and 35tq. That, along with some suspension revisions, translated to a half a second improvement on a 0-60 time, greater lateral acceleration, and better braking. It is also capable of dipping into the 11s on the quarter mile off the lot when the old model was in the high 12s. (WHAT?!) It also does this for a modest price increase of roughly $3,000 from the previous generation. I will save you some math, since that is hard - that is not even a 10% increase in price.

Now tell me, sir, what kind of ramen-noodle-eating, bud-light-drinking, money saving sorcery is this ****?! Please pinch me... I must be dreaming that a company can significantly upgrade and evolve their product and offer it at a competitive price point.

Ford reduced weight and added power on the Mustang. Mazda SIGNIFICANTLY reduced weight with the Miata and provided a more efficient engine, though down on power, and it translated into a faster car.

We can expect Nissan to do the same. We expect them to do so because they have the tools at their disposal to do so. Follow me into the toolbox below:

The Infiniti Q50 is based on the existing FM platform that upholds the Z and G coupes. It is retooled with lighter weight materials. It is now available with a 400hp twin turbo V6. It makes that power using a modest 14.7psi of boost. That motor produces not only 400hp, but an orgasmic 350lb-ft of torque across 1800-5200 RPMs! It's orgasmic because it's peak torque across a broad range. Feel free to google that whole "power under the curve" concept. Because, in most cases, that translates to BETTER PERFORMANCE.

Now, kids... what did we just learn about our toolbox? A lighter platform that is already built to house a higher performance engine! Both of which are in production! Guess what that means, kids? We have a more powerful business case! We may even be able to stick to a similar price point with our new model Z because... well, not only do we have the tools, but OUR COMPETITION IS ALSO DOING IT!

Why are we in business? TO COMPETE.

A 3100lb Z pushing 400 to 450hp for $45k is what we would call COMPETITIVE. FOR 2016. We aren't trying to be competitive in 1970. Gas isn't 86 cents a gallon. Apples don't cost a nickel. Oldsmobile doesn't make cars.

You can spend your $85k on a niche premium branded car that, despite what you may think, is a limited production car (examples are Cayman GT4, GT-R Nismo) and not what we refer to as a full scale production car (370Z, Camaro SS) and be slower than some other sports cars that cost less, but have a gorgeous, exclusive machine that can perform very well. Or, by your logic, buy a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa and be slower than everyone else on this board, but hey, you have a Ferrari, right? Nothing could possibly be faster for the money you spent - that **** was top of the line, state of the art! NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE THAT KIND OF POWER WITH LESS THAN A FLAT 12! YOU MUST BE DREAMING!

I would quote the rest of your posts and obliterate them accordingly, but I'm too busy dreaming. Wake me up later when I'm right.

Another Ricer X masterpiece.....

And there's something about wanderer that has an aura. A wiff of a well recrafted Jungle Z???

Time will tell?

RicerX · 07-21-2016, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer1234

Keep dreaming bro. Lol. That's all I can say. It ain't gonna happen because with those numbers the performance is close to GTR performance. Nissan has already said, if you want performance go GTR and stop hanging around the Z. I can't afford a GTR and I'm not bitching about what Nissan has to offer me.

Stop talking about domestic cars such as Camaro's and Mustang's those are a dime a dozen. Everyone and their mom has one. lol. We don't care about them domestic cars, that's why we are on the Z forum. If you do, you shouldn't be here. Lol. And you can't compare V8's to a V6. The VQ engine we have is one of the highest HP NA V6 around. So yeah, your point is invalid.

I understand you want a cheap fast car so you can say, "oh my 45k Z is just as fast as a 120k GTR why would I go that route". That's exactly what Nissan doesn't want to hear. Besides Nissan makes cars for the general crowd. They don't care about the few that bitch and moan about how heavy and low on horse it is. It's not gonna hurt them that one person won't buy it because there's 10 other that will buy it. The ones that want more power and performance will go GTR. That's why they have a super car around and the Z is their sports car. Business 101 bro.

Until it happens, I don't think your wish will come true. Just accept the fact that the Z is probably not gonna change much. Might as well get your Z now before it shrinks in SIZE and POWAH and then you'll really bitch and complain.

Your rebuttals remind me of Donald Trump.

"You can't compare V8s to V6s... Because V8s are YUGE."

Should we build a wall around this thread to keep the domestic cars out?

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-21-2016, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanderer1234

Keep dreaming bro. Lol. That's all I can say. It ain't gonna happen because with those numbers the performance is close to GTR performance. Nissan has already said, if you want performance go GTR and stop hanging around the Z. I can't afford a GTR and I'm not bitching about what Nissan has to offer me.

Stop talking about domestic cars such as Camaro's and Mustang's those are a dime a dozen. Everyone and their mom has one. lol. We don't care about them domestic cars, that's why we are on the Z forum. If you do, you shouldn't be here. Lol. And you can't compare V8's to a V6. The VQ engine we have is one of the highest HP NA V6 around. So yeah, your point is invalid.

I understand you want a cheap fast car so you can say, "oh my 45k Z is just as fast as a 120k GTR why would I go that route". That's exactly what Nissan doesn't want to hear. Besides Nissan makes cars for the general crowd. They don't care about the few that bitch and moan about how heavy and low on horse it is. It's not gonna hurt them that one person won't buy it because there's 10 other that will buy it. The ones that want more power and performance will go GTR. That's why they have a super car around and the Z is their sports car. Business 101 bro.

Until it happens, I don't think your wish will come true. Just accept the fact that the Z is probably not gonna change much. Might as well get your Z now before it shrinks in SIZE and POWAH and then you'll really bitch and complain.

Nobody has to get nothing now cuz my brother already has a luxury car that performs well and if he goes into another car. He can easily spend a Lil more cash and upgrade.

You are fairly lost in the concept Ricer is bringing up. He's using the evolution of muscle as an example of how technology can change suddenly....

But you're too agenda driven and argumentative to even grasp a well thought out analysis. You're just going in circles with what is purely a poorly thought out speculation.

Now it may all be speculation from every one of us, but some of us have a grasp on what's going on in the car world and analyzing the rumor mill.... And others are creating their own scenarios purely from the rumor mill and their own personal expectations whether positive or negative.

Tensile steel and carbon fiber has gotten cheaper. Body creasing is 4X more cost effective than a decade ago. This is why cars are getting so many dramatic lines.

The GTR is expected to have well over 700HP next generation. So how would the next gen Z be close to GTR power WITH ONLY 450HP???

Your analysis is weak because you're factoring has little or no basis on fiscal achievement or modern competitive spirit.

The Alfa 4c has a full carbon fiber monocoque, dual clutch transmission 240HP and 2400lbs for $60,000. It's built like a budget Ferrari. It's 2300lbs in Europe and has a very expensive mid engine layout. It accelerates in the mid 12's and gets to 60 in the low 4's. So many different vehicles doing amazing things that in reality a 3,000lb 400HP car doesn't seem so radical. It actually seems like the next step. Like when a stand v8 had 305HP and the Z came 350lbs lighter and had 27 more HP. It's amazing how some of y'all think.
The camaro is subjugated to the same safety constraints as the Z and they lost a 300lb average. I don't get what's the miraculous ness of next gen weight loss. But hey.... I do see how some people believe it won't be cost effective for Nissan. But neither is it a marvel of instability. So most of us are divided with weight. But why do we have to shoot each other down based on not seeing eye to eye? That said....

We're not dreaming, we're speculating and you're just contradicting cuz you wanna be a douche. Not because you're bringing anything to the table in terms of information. Your speculations are based on nonsense and you ending every low grade comment with "lol". While we read your posts we're all going "smh".

At the end of the day.... half of us can go Porsche, Audi, BMW BUT We want a CREDIBLE tuner car because we do it for the culture...

And we speculate as such cuz we believe Nissan wants to feed the enthusiasts market. If you don't like Ricer or any of us having high expectations? You have the right to voice an opinion. But watch how you come at people. Cuz this is a opinion conversation. Not your stage to try to shut people down... Especially when your arguments come with skewed factoids that are missing parts like the GTR argument... Anyway dude. Grow up.

zguynate · 07-22-2016, 12:27 AM

To piggyback off of what unknown said, you keep bringing up the GTR and a 400hp Z possibly cannibalizing the GTR. That's probably true right now, but the next gen GTR is supposed to be a whole new crazy monster. It will undoubtedly be AWD, a hybrid with almost instant torque, and is supposedly going to have over 700hp. A rwd 400hp Z won't be anywhere near the same market as the new GTR. Through all of this speculation, I can almost assure you that the next GTR is going to be a pretty large leap over the current gen, therefore giving the Z more play room as far as power goes.

Volk Z · 07-22-2016, 08:02 AM

The next Z better not have active noise canceling non sense like the 2016+ models.

I would like to see:
1. Recaro seats offered like in the nismo
2. Blacked out headlights (please Nissan keep this you are even doing it in the altimas)
3. Short tail end (no big butt like domestic cars)
4. A few "different" color choices other than 9 silver options haha (oh Nissan you and silver paint)
5. A nice factory exhaust note (350z sounded better than my 2013 Nismo)
6. Non notchy transmission (try a different fluid Nissan it does wonders!!)
7. Lose the clunky door handles! Go more GTR door handle style! (I'm sick of having to paint those dang things and still look ugly)
8. Keep the total weight under 3200 pounds.

Thank you Nissan, now release the concept and specs so we can all get along on here

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-22-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

The next Z better not have active noise canceling non sense like the 2016+ models.

I would like to see:
1. Recaro seats offered like in the nismo
2. Blacked out headlights (please Nissan keep this you are even doing it in the altimas)
3. Short tail end (no big butt like domestic cars)
4. A few "different" color choices other than 9 silver options haha (oh Nissan you and silver paint)
5. A nice factory exhaust note (350z sounded better than my 2013 Nismo)
6. Non notchy transmission (try a different fluid Nissan it does wonders!!)
7. Lose the clunky door handles! Go more GTR door handle style! (I'm sick of having to paint those dang things and still look ugly)
8. Keep the total weight under 3200 pounds.

Thank you Nissan, now release the concept and specs so we can all get along on here

I love a phat Azz though! Our Z34's have a beautiful Azz!!!

07-21-2016, 06:08 PM	#2191 (permalink)
allZeeingeye Base Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Helotes, TX Posts: 21 Drives: 16 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 10	In my opinion, regardless of what the new Z will be like inside and out, I'm just glad I got my 2016 Nismo. It could be the last of the true Z's before all of this hybrid/outsourced powerplant nonsense takes over. BC416, ramoszx12r and killrain like this. __________________

07-22-2016, 12:27 AM	#2203 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 73	To piggyback off of what unknown said, you keep bringing up the GTR and a 400hp Z possibly cannibalizing the GTR. That's probably true right now, but the next gen GTR is supposed to be a whole new crazy monster. It will undoubtedly be AWD, a hybrid with almost instant torque, and is supposedly going to have over 700hp. A rwd 400hp Z won't be anywhere near the same market as the new GTR. Through all of this speculation, I can almost assure you that the next GTR is going to be a pretty large leap over the current gen, therefore giving the Z more play room as far as power goes. UNKNOWN_370 and MagmaRed370z like this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package

07-22-2016, 08:02 AM	#2204 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3066	The next Z better not have active noise canceling non sense like the 2016+ models. I would like to see: 1. Recaro seats offered like in the nismo 2. Blacked out headlights (please Nissan keep this you are even doing it in the altimas) 3. Short tail end (no big butt like domestic cars) 4. A few "different" color choices other than 9 silver options haha (oh Nissan you and silver paint) 5. A nice factory exhaust note (350z sounded better than my 2013 Nismo) 6. Non notchy transmission (try a different fluid Nissan it does wonders!!) 7. Lose the clunky door handles! Go more GTR door handle style! (I'm sick of having to paint those dang things and still look ugly) 8. Keep the total weight under 3200 pounds. Thank you Nissan, now release the concept and specs so we can all get along on here UNKNOWN_370 and /Angelo350Z/ like this. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON

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