[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

RicerX

Huh?

Oh... you must have gotten that 800lbs from the weight difference between your beloved Porsche Cayman and the Camaro. Well... the Camaro SS already out-accelerates the GT4 with the extra 800lbs. But if you're really curious as to how that works out in your argument with a weight reduction, you'll be able to get a Z/28 with reduced weight for several thousand less than the GT4, and it will likely walk all over it.

For those of us in the room talking about evolving/redesigning an existing product, the Camaro SS of today shed roughly 300lbs from its previous model. It added 24hp and 35tq. That, along with some suspension revisions, translated to a half a second improvement on a 0-60 time, greater lateral acceleration, and better braking. It is also capable of dipping into the 11s on the quarter mile off the lot when the old model was in the high 12s. (WHAT?!) It also does this for a modest price increase of roughly $3,000 from the previous generation. I will save you some math, since that is hard - that is not even a 10% increase in price.

Now tell me, sir, what kind of ramen-noodle-eating, bud-light-drinking, money saving sorcery is this ****?! Please pinch me... I must be dreaming that a company can significantly upgrade and evolve their product and offer it at a competitive price point.

Ford reduced weight and added power on the Mustang. Mazda SIGNIFICANTLY reduced weight with the Miata and provided a more efficient engine, though down on power, and it translated into a faster car.

We can expect Nissan to do the same. We expect them to do so because they have the tools at their disposal to do so. Follow me into the toolbox below:

The Infiniti Q50 is based on the existing FM platform that upholds the Z and G coupes. It is retooled with lighter weight materials. It is now available with a 400hp twin turbo V6. It makes that power using a modest 14.7psi of boost. That motor produces not only 400hp, but an orgasmic 350lb-ft of torque across 1800-5200 RPMs! It's orgasmic because it's peak torque across a broad range. Feel free to google that whole "power under the curve" concept. Because, in most cases, that translates to BETTER PERFORMANCE.

Now, kids... what did we just learn about our toolbox? A lighter platform that is already built to house a higher performance engine! Both of which are in production! Guess what that means, kids? We have a more powerful business case! We may even be able to stick to a similar price point with our new model Z because... well, not only do we have the tools, but OUR COMPETITION IS ALSO DOING IT!

Why are we in business? TO COMPETE.

A 3100lb Z pushing 400 to 450hp for $45k is what we would call COMPETITIVE. FOR 2016. We aren't trying to be competitive in 1970. Gas isn't 86 cents a gallon. Apples don't cost a nickel. Oldsmobile doesn't make cars.

You can spend your $85k on a niche premium branded car that, despite what you may think, is a limited production car (examples are Cayman GT4, GT-R Nismo) and not what we refer to as a full scale production car (370Z, Camaro SS) and be slower than some other sports cars that cost less, but have a gorgeous, exclusive machine that can perform very well. Or, by your logic, buy a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa and be slower than everyone else on this board, but hey, you have a Ferrari, right? Nothing could possibly be faster for the money you spent - that **** was top of the line, state of the art! NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE THAT KIND OF POWER WITH LESS THAN A FLAT 12! YOU MUST BE DREAMING!

I would quote the rest of your posts and obliterate them accordingly, but I'm too busy dreaming. Wake me up later when I'm right.

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NRTim

It's stupid articles like this that makes me wish the next gen Z came out sooner

Next Nissan Z Won

MagmaRed370z

I read the article and it could come as AWD but I highly doubt it as it is heritage that the Z is RWD. Also, they are joking for sure about FWD. lol

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wanderer1234

Keep dreaming bro. Lol. That's all I can say. It ain't gonna happen because with those numbers the performance is close to GTR performance. Nissan has already said, if you want performance go GTR and stop hanging around the Z. I can't afford a GTR and I'm not bitching about what Nissan has to offer me.

Stop talking about domestic cars such as Camaro's and Mustang's those are a dime a dozen. Everyone and their mom has one. lol. We don't care about them domestic cars, that's why we are on the Z forum. If you do, you shouldn't be here. Lol. And you can't compare V8's to a V6. The VQ engine we have is one of the highest HP NA V6 around. So yeah, your point is invalid.

I understand you want a cheap fast car so you can say, "oh my 45k Z is just as fast as a 120k GTR why would I go that route". That's exactly what Nissan doesn't want to hear. Besides Nissan makes cars for the general crowd. They don't care about the few that bitch and moan about how heavy and low on horse it is. It's not gonna hurt them that one person won't buy it because there's 10 other that will buy it. The ones that want more power and performance will go GTR. That's why they have a super car around and the Z is their sports car. Business 101 bro.

Until it happens, I don't think your wish will come true. Just accept the fact that the Z is probably not gonna change much. Might as well get your Z now before it shrinks in SIZE and POWAH and then you'll really bitch and complain.

RicerX

Your rebuttals remind me of Donald Trump.

"You can't compare V8s to V6s... Because V8s are YUGE."

Should we build a wall around this thread to keep the domestic cars out?

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wanderer1234

I'm not the one comparing V8's to V6's, you are. I'm just pointing out the obvious my friend. You're dreaming way too big, wanting 450+ hp on a 45k Nissan Z. I understand all the cars that were pointed out.

If you can show me a 450+ hp 45k car that weighs 2800-3000 lb I'll beg to differ. Until then stop dreaming about cheap fast cars, it's annoying. Either buy it or don't buy it. Stop complaining about what's being offered. Besides, Nissan doesn't care what you want. You're a just one person. If you're not gonna buy it new it's not gonna affect them.

Oh and to the people out there saying technology evolve....it does but it ain't gonna happen soon and there ain't no 700 hp new GTR yet. When it happens let me know. Y'all people are funny, wanting such a powerful car to be cheap.

Lets all go make more money guys so we can buy a lightweight car with 450+ plus HP. Lol.

Some people can't handle the truth. The truth sucks, I know. We like to dream but at one point we have to wake up.

RicerX

And some people can't fvcking read.

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UNKNOWN_370

Nobody has to get nothing now cuz my brother already has a luxury car that performs well and if he goes into another car. He can easily spend a Lil more cash and upgrade.

You are fairly lost in the concept Ricer is bringing up. He's using the evolution of muscle as an example of how technology can change suddenly....

But you're too agenda driven and argumentative to even grasp a well thought out analysis. You're just going in circles with what is purely a poorly thought out speculation.

Now it may all be speculation from every one of us, but some of us have a grasp on what's going on in the car world and analyzing the rumor mill.... And others are creating their own scenarios purely from the rumor mill and their own personal expectations whether positive or negative.

Tensile steel and carbon fiber has gotten cheaper. Body creasing is 4X more cost effective than a decade ago. This is why cars are getting so many dramatic lines.

The GTR is expected to have well over 700HP next generation. So how would the next gen Z be close to GTR power WITH ONLY 450HP???

Your analysis is weak because you're factoring has little or no basis on fiscal achievement or modern competitive spirit.

The Alfa 4c has a full carbon fiber monocoque, dual clutch transmission 240HP and 2400lbs for $60,000. It's built like a budget Ferrari. It's 2300lbs in Europe and has a very expensive mid engine layout. It accelerates in the mid 12's and gets to 60 in the low 4's. So many different vehicles doing amazing things that in reality a 3,000lb 400HP car doesn't seem so radical. It actually seems like the next step. Like when a stand v8 had 305HP and the Z came 350lbs lighter and had 27 more HP. It's amazing how some of y'all think.
The camaro is subjugated to the same safety constraints as the Z and they lost a 300lb average. I don't get what's the miraculous ness of next gen weight loss. But hey.... I do see how some people believe it won't be cost effective for Nissan. But neither is it a marvel of instability. So most of us are divided with weight. But why do we have to shoot each other down based on not seeing eye to eye? That said....

We're not dreaming, we're speculating and you're just contradicting cuz you wanna be a douche. Not because you're bringing anything to the table in terms of information. Your speculations are based on nonsense and you ending every low grade comment with "lol". While we read your posts we're all going "smh".

At the end of the day.... half of us can go Porsche, Audi, BMW BUT We want a CREDIBLE tuner car because we do it for the culture...

And we speculate as such cuz we believe Nissan wants to feed the enthusiasts market. If you don't like Ricer or any of us having high expectations? You have the right to voice an opinion. But watch how you come at people. Cuz this is a opinion conversation. Not your stage to try to shut people down... Especially when your arguments come with skewed factoids that are missing parts like the GTR argument... Anyway dude. Grow up.

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ViCiouS

You mean you can't fathom Nissan doing exactly what Porsche did? Same 0-60s and 1/4 but the Cayman is overall a better track car at 75% of the price.
718 Cayman S PDK starting 69.5K
991.2 Carerra PDK starting 92.6K

And that's for EXACT SAME performance! A more accurate comparison would be below. Which means the Cayman is 44% the price of the 911 Turbo (same speed as a GTR), for a competitive sports car.
718 Cayman S PDK starting 69.5K
991.2 Carerra Turbo PDK starting 159.2K


Now lets see how that translates to Nissan.
GTR starts at 109k, so 44% of that is starting at $48k for a Z that would be a step up from where it is now, a competitive sports car, and still leaves market for the exclusive GTR.

In addition, this would make the Z competitive with the Cayman, F Type, and BMW Z.


Hey now.. I'll tune my Porsche lol. But you've been spot on with your comments man. As stated above, making the Z faster and lighter will also make it more competitive with the 'luxury sports'.

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Firebase99

Little confused about "same performance" for Cayman S and a new 991 Turbo. Those 911's are a mere tick behind Veyron #'s dude. Defies physics fast.

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ViCiouS

"same performance" was referring to 981 cayman s vs 991.2 carerra base.

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ped

It also doesn't hurt that people are using what's happened every time in the past with regard to engines between the Infiniti and Nissan cars as a gauge to what's likely to happen this time as well.

ped

So Nissan should just cede the entire sports car segment, resigning itself only to selling a few thousand cars that cost 100k? BS.

Some of us prefer pure sports cars, not video games with massive amounts of computer aids, AWD, and zero feel. Not to mention the GT-R eats tires and brakes, massively increasing the cost of ownership.

ped

We're in a Renaissance of muscle/sports cars and you think Nissan will have the 370Z out for almost 10 years and the succeeding model will be down on power? What are you smoking?

UNKNOWN_370

Another Ricer X masterpiece.....


And there's something about wanderer that has an aura. A wiff of a well recrafted Jungle Z???

Time will tell?

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