[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

COSMO · 07-19-2016, 09:46 AM

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UNKNOWN_370 · 07-19-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

I wish I could find my post like a year ago predicting they offer a 4 cylinder turbo and a V6TT and now those 2 motors both exist in the Q series (aka G37 successor)

Heres my new thought prediction;

Nissan for 2018 models to put the VR30DTT motor in the current NIsmo Models only. NIssan increase base price on the NIsmo to 43k.

Benefits to Nissan would be how the market responds to the engine, I assume the current curb weight of the NIsmo *3300 pounds would be close to the ideal weight for the next Z plus or minus a hundred pounds.

I agree with thisas I predicted the same, as well as FPENVY and Ricer X but...

There's Two configurations on the 3.0T.

I believe the 2.0t will have a base model and sport model & Nismo

I believe the 300+ hp model will be the touring.

I believe the 400hp model will be a Nismo.

And I even think there's a possibility of a Nismo RS rated at 450hp.

I think there will be Targa, hardtop and convertible versions. Possibly a Z inspired AWD crossover with a play on the Z heritage in its name will come out and be part of the Z family.
(Grip Z)

I honestly think the Z is getting a new chassis. I really believe that's one of the main reasons it's taking so long aside from being far off there mark in sales.

Disclaimer: just a speculation
No panties in a bunch please.

Dirk McGurck · 07-19-2016, 10:25 AM

I don't see Nissan shoehorning the VR30 into a 370Z. It would compromise too much about the car and cost too much to do it vs developing a new car around the Q60 chassis.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-19-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

I don't see Nissan shoehorning the VR30 into a 370Z. It would compromise too much about the car and cost too much to do it vs developing a new car around the Q60 chassis.

The Q chassis and the Z chassis right now are one of the same. The FM platform is still in use even in the brand new Q60. Weight was reduced by using around 50% more tensile steel interior redevelopmentand more carbon fiber bits. The platforms have been and continue to be used since 2003. Infiniti used that platform on EVERY original infiniti model.

Volk Z · 07-19-2016, 06:35 PM

I found my post from almost a year ago predicting well before the new engines were even thought about! I posted this September 2015!! Look at my guesstimates for price and engine choices

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I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following.

Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option.

That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow.
If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end.

Pricing would need to be appropriate like below
Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo)
V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo)

Volk Z · 07-19-2016, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

I don't see Nissan shoehorning the VR30 into a 370Z. It would compromise too much about the car and cost too much to do it vs developing a new car around the Q60 chassis.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Nissan has reduced the sport model price midway into the production of the 370z, they offered an exclusive 35th anniversary in the 350z which became standard equipment and to use another maker Ford who swapped from the 305hp motor up to the 425hp motor like 2 years after their new Mustang released a few years back.

Nissan has a few advantages to drop this engine in the 370z.

1. Test it out in the market pros/cons etc
2. See if sales increase due to the engine
3. Have any kinks in engine/drivetrain be tweaked now vs. having a full blown 2003/2009 transmission issue/oil consumption or whatever may arise.

Lets think when Nissan first came to America to be sure they didn't tarnish their rep they called themselves Datsun. Still actually Nissan they subbranded in case the ship sank they ditch "Datsun" and NIssan lives on unscathed!

Imagine if this "Revolution" they speak of and all the money spent on a new Z drops in say 2019 and it flops horribly! Nissan already knows the Z is not a huge money maker so this could really hurt their net worth. Best idea is basically use the wolf in sheeps clothing we will say and beast mode a NIsmo with the new motor and let it fly. Any cons or dissapointments they can tweak for the new Z35. And who would have said back in 2010 that the 2015 NIsmo would look completely different (headlights, aero kit etc) Changes can happen mid cycle or even at the end. Sometimes good, sometimes bad (EVO X ditching Recaro seats for last year for a bad example)

Its a no brainer honestly, the engine is already being produced.

victort · 07-20-2016, 01:05 AM

if a fully loaded Z hits $60,000, goodbye Nissan Hello Porsche

wanderer1234 · 07-20-2016, 09:47 AM

Sorry for my post guys....

I own a 2015 white 370z Nismo....

But...the people in here are dreaming to much. We are dreaming of power to weight ratios that even cars 3-4 times more expensive can't come close. Lol.

Be realistic, a 3100-3300 lb z with 450 horse at 45k? That's very unrealistic. We live in a day and age where safety comes first and more and more safety equipments are shoved into our cars, it's only going to get heavier. If the power to weight ratio people are asking for is so easily attainable at the price everyone wants.....

Acura/Honda would've done it to the NSX and not make it a giant 3800 lb 570 hp car. Lol. At the power to weight everyone is dreaming of, you guys can wipe the floor with a 180k super car with a moderate tune and mods. Lol. Be real guys...stop dreaming.

I don't see a full production model with warranty being produced with those numbers and price range. Hint.... Porsche GT4... 85k....2900 lbs 385 hp....dream big but be realistic.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-20-2016, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

I found my post from almost a year ago predicting well before the new engines were even thought about! I posted this September 2015!! Look at my guesstimates for price and engine choices

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I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following.

Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option.

That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow.
If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end.

Pricing would need to be appropriate like below
Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo)
V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo)

Lol.... try this thread from5 and 9 months before yours.

2016 Infiniti q60 coupe

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-20-2016, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by wanderer1234

Sorry for my post guys....

I own a 2015 white 370z Nismo....

But...the people in here are dreaming to much. We are dreaming of power to weight ratios that even cars 3-4 times more expensive can't come close. Lol.

Be realistic, a 3100-3300 lb z with 450 horse at 45k? That's very unrealistic. We live in a day and age where safety comes first and more and more safety equipments are shoved into our cars, it's only going to get heavier. If the power to weight ratio people are asking for is so easily attainable at the price everyone wants.....

Acura/Honda would've done it to the NSX and not make it a giant 3800 lb 570 hp car. Lol. At the power to weight everyone is dreaming of, you guys can wipe the floor with a 180k super car with moderate tune and mod. Lol. Be real guys...stop dreaming.

The problem with your post is that you're talking about technology like it moves slowly for one. Second, you're talking like every company at some point doesn't break the innovation sound barrier with sub premium cars.

No one believed the new camaro would be everything it is for the price it is. I was LITERALLY the ONLY ONE.

MRC and 455HP on a 3,680lb car for $38,000 entry price and an upcoming 640HP, 3,900lb car with an even higher updated mrc line lick feature, launch control, a new ultra high tech 10 speed auto and one of the fastest cars around the nurburgring at ANY PRICE for $60K? That's $40K cheaper than the GTR with 95 more horses. Anything is possible my man. Anything.

RicerX · 07-20-2016, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wanderer1234

Be realistic, a 3100-3300 lb z with 450 horse at 45k? That's very unrealistic. We live in a day and age where safety comes first and more and more safety equipments are shoved into our cars, it's only going to get heavier. If the power to weight ratio people are asking for is so easily attainable at the price everyone wants.....

I don't see a full production model with warranty being produced with those numbers and price range. Hint.... Porsche GT4... 85k....2900 lbs 385 hp....dream big but be realistic.

2016 Chevy Camaro SS - 455hp. 3686lbs. 6.2L V8. RWD.

Now imagine if that car shrunk in overall footprint. We removed the rear seats, used similar chassis engineering as far as lightweight materials, put in a motor less than half the size yet with a pair or turbos much like the VR30DDTT. We used smaller wheels (19" rays instead of the 20" wheels that come on the Camaro), fit smaller brakes that fit the platform and wheel setup. Remove a pair of airbags because there is no rear seat. Are we at 300lbs yet?

You can rephrase your posting now... maybe something like "guys stop talking about a bunch of nonsense like 'evolved automotive engineering' or 'making things better than they were yesterday'" or 'the R35 already hurt Porsche's feelings so let's not push it with a Z that could obliterate a Cayman for half the money'".

Oh... and this gem...

Quote:

Acura/Honda would've done it to the NSX and not make it a giant 3800 lb 570 hp car. Lol. At the power to weight everyone is dreaming of, you guys can wipe the floor with a 180k super car with a moderate tune and mods. Lol. Be real guys...stop dreaming.

2016 Corvette Z06. 3524lbs. 650hp. Are we there yet?

There are plenty of people with modded cars... with modded 370Zs even... that could wipe the floor with a new NSX. Use the search box for a little company called "Fast Intentions".

If you're trolling... I give you a gold star. Otherwise, you need to get out more.

madeinjapan · 07-20-2016, 10:51 AM

Dirk McGurck · 07-20-2016, 11:33 AM

I hate that grill so much. And they're putting it on all of their cars, while giving them all the same raised haunches as the GT-R.

God-Speed · 07-20-2016, 11:45 AM

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Don't know what to think?? As stated before, I'll just wait to see it in person and see what the price is.

brucelidat · 07-20-2016, 11:50 AM

I don't expect the z to lose much weight. If anything it may drop like 40 lbs so they can say it got lighter. I expect it to basically get the same hp engine trims as the q60. Maaaaybe a bit more in the Nismo, butI doubt it. That would hurt the image of the q60 I think.

07-19-2016, 10:25 AM	#2133 (permalink)
Dirk McGurck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Delaware Posts: 715 Drives: 09 MB 370Z Touring Rep Power: 21	I don't see Nissan shoehorning the VR30 into a 370Z. It would compromise too much about the car and cost too much to do it vs developing a new car around the Q60 chassis. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring with Sport

07-19-2016, 06:35 PM	#2135 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3066	I found my post from almost a year ago predicting well before the new engines were even thought about! I posted this September 2015!! Look at my guesstimates for price and engine choices POST #758 in this thread Old 09-28-2015, 11:26 AM #758 (permalink) Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Volk Z's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,060 Drives: 2013 NISMO 370Z Rep Power: 7 Volk Z will become famous soon enough Default I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following. Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option. That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow. If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end. Pricing would need to be appropriate like below Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo) V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo) __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON Last edited by Volk Z; 07-19-2016 at 06:39 PM.

07-20-2016, 01:05 AM	#2137 (permalink)
victort Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 192 Drives: MB Rep Power: 17	if a fully loaded Z hits $60,000, goodbye Nissan Hello Porsche Zbrah and carlitos_370z like this.

07-20-2016, 09:47 AM	#2138 (permalink)
wanderer1234 Banned Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Fresno Posts: 38 Drives: 2015 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 0	Sorry for my post guys.... I own a 2015 white 370z Nismo.... But...the people in here are dreaming to much. We are dreaming of power to weight ratios that even cars 3-4 times more expensive can't come close. Lol. Be realistic, a 3100-3300 lb z with 450 horse at 45k? That's very unrealistic. We live in a day and age where safety comes first and more and more safety equipments are shoved into our cars, it's only going to get heavier. If the power to weight ratio people are asking for is so easily attainable at the price everyone wants..... Acura/Honda would've done it to the NSX and not make it a giant 3800 lb 570 hp car. Lol. At the power to weight everyone is dreaming of, you guys can wipe the floor with a 180k super car with a moderate tune and mods. Lol. Be real guys...stop dreaming. I don't see a full production model with warranty being produced with those numbers and price range. Hint.... Porsche GT4... 85k....2900 lbs 385 hp....dream big but be realistic. xfrgtr and carlitos_370z like this. Last edited by wanderer1234; 07-20-2016 at 10:00 AM.

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07-20-2016, 11:33 AM	#2143 (permalink)
Dirk McGurck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Delaware Posts: 715 Drives: 09 MB 370Z Touring Rep Power: 21	I hate that grill so much. And they're putting it on all of their cars, while giving them all the same raised haunches as the GT-R. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring with Sport Last edited by Dirk McGurck; 07-20-2016 at 02:54 PM.

07-20-2016, 11:50 AM	#2145 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	I don't expect the z to lose much weight. If anything it may drop like 40 lbs so they can say it got lighter. I expect it to basically get the same hp engine trims as the q60. Maaaaybe a bit more in the Nismo, butI doubt it. That would hurt the image of the q60 I think. MagmaRed370z likes this. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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