[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

UNKNOWN_370

You fvcked up when you used the word "WILL". All this shyt here is speculation. All of it. The thread title is $60K for a Z based on information in the "rumor mill". The other guy I guess is me, only CREATED A SCENARIO where this would be probable. Considering all the body bracing and track bits that underpin a Nismo. Considering an estimated 3,100lb weight that would be lighter than a better up to 300lbs depending on packaging and the arena that Z would be competing against if it existed. M4, Jaguar F-Type S. Porsche Cayman R Corvette Grand Sport, BMW/Z4/possible Z5, The upcoming Supra, Alfa Romeo 4c and Fiat 124.

Problem here is everyone wants to believe the Z can't go upmarket when in fact it can if they make an affordable 4 banger for the whiners and a high powered premium handling car for the winners. They corner the market by offering to the successful and the broke azz alike. Just like CAMARO & MUSTANG DO! I don't see why some of you complicate these concepts so much.

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Davey

That's a lot of typing for such a simple point.

The other guy said "it will be" and then agreed with your speculation as if it backed up his assertion. No need for 12 paragraphs explaining that you are speculating.

My whole point was always that it is all nothing but speculation, and that it is as stupid and pointless as magazine racing. Have fun with that I guess.

UNKNOWN_370

If it's so stupid? Then why are you even giving it any energy? Grow up man... always gotta downplay when points are made instead of just STFU and accepting you went to far left with your comments.

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wanderer1234

Sorry for my post guys....

I own a 2015 white 370z Nismo....

But...the people in here are dreaming to much. We are dreaming of power to weight ratios that even cars 3-4 times more expensive can't come close. Lol.

Be realistic, a 3100-3300 lb z with 450 horse at 45k? That's very unrealistic. We live in a day and age where safety comes first and more and more safety equipments are shoved into our cars, it's only going to get heavier. If the power to weight ratio people are asking for is so easily attainable at the price everyone wants.....

Acura/Honda would've done it to the NSX and not make it a giant 3800 lb 570 hp car. Lol. At the power to weight everyone is dreaming of, you guys can wipe the floor with a 180k super car with a moderate tune and mods. Lol. Be real guys...stop dreaming.

I don't see a full production model with warranty being produced with those numbers and price range. Hint.... Porsche GT4... 85k....2900 lbs 385 hp....dream big but be realistic.

UNKNOWN_370

The problem with your post is that you're talking about technology like it moves slowly for one. Second, you're talking like every company at some point doesn't break the innovation sound barrier with sub premium cars.

No one believed the new camaro would be everything it is for the price it is. I was LITERALLY the ONLY ONE.

MRC and 455HP on a 3,680lb car for $38,000 entry price and an upcoming 640HP, 3,900lb car with an even higher updated mrc line lick feature, launch control, a new ultra high tech 10 speed auto and one of the fastest cars around the nurburgring at ANY PRICE for $60K? That's $40K cheaper than the GTR with 95 more horses. Anything is possible my man. Anything.

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Z_ealot

Not to mention the fact that mazda, while being a significantly smaller company than nissan, managed to make the miata a hell of a lot lighter while upping it's horsepower and keeping it at the same price point as the previous generation


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UNKNOWN_370

I believe the previous gen miata was 158-167HP respectively. The current miata is 155HP. But the weight reduction was well over 200lbs with even more features, more safety and more luxury.

So you're right! If miata can do it for a mid $20K car. We can definitely do it.

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God-Speed

Well if this is the direction that their going, looks like I will be looking at another Vette!!

RicerX

2016 Chevy Camaro SS - 455hp. 3686lbs. 6.2L V8. RWD.

Now imagine if that car shrunk in overall footprint. We removed the rear seats, used similar chassis engineering as far as lightweight materials, put in a motor less than half the size yet with a pair or turbos much like the VR30DDTT. We used smaller wheels (19" rays instead of the 20" wheels that come on the Camaro), fit smaller brakes that fit the platform and wheel setup. Remove a pair of airbags because there is no rear seat. Are we at 300lbs yet?

You can rephrase your posting now... maybe something like "guys stop talking about a bunch of nonsense like 'evolved automotive engineering' or 'making things better than they were yesterday'" or 'the R35 already hurt Porsche's feelings so let's not push it with a Z that could obliterate a Cayman for half the money'".

Oh... and this gem...

2016 Corvette Z06. 3524lbs. 650hp. Are we there yet?

There are plenty of people with modded cars... with modded 370Zs even... that could wipe the floor with a new NSX. Use the search box for a little company called "Fast Intentions".

If you're trolling... I give you a gold star. Otherwise, you need to get out more.

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wanderer1234

Try shedding 800lbs off that Camero and how much do you think the price will go up? Lol.....

As far as the corvette...what's the price again? Is it 29,000 like the entry Z? Heck is it 41,000 like the Nismo? Uhhhh forget about the Nismo. The sport model is what 32,000? Again be realistic. We all know how hard it is to shed weight on a production car. You tearing out your stock car is yourself. On a production car not so easy.

What's realistic me is...the Z gaining 50-100 lbs but increases in power...but that kind of performance would threaten the GTR symbol. Nissan has already said....if you want performance go GTR. The Z will never have that kind of performance, it'll be good but nothing like how we want it to be.

theDreamer

Not saying 1 way or the other, but you are looking at this as the 370z is the starting weight/platform. Nissan may begin using a new platform or shorten it even more so, starting the next generation at a completely different point. Also, Nissan is milking the 370z since right now the investment has been made, parts deals were set in 2007/8 for ordering while now their operating cost went down with a car coming up on 10 years. This means they can start fresh with new contracts (good example Brembo to Akebono brakes from the 350z to 370z), this allows them to move up market on quality or newer technology which the 370z did not have in 07/08 when they did the initial investment.

Nissan could easily start the car sub 3k weight depending on where they want to place the next generation Z, will they, probably not but it can be done without shooting the price to the moon or Porsche territory.

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wanderer1234

Which platform? Nissan doesn't have any other platform for the Z. To make a new platform Nissan will spend millions on R and D. That'll only make our wish car of 2800 lbs further from reach.

Look at the twin sisters...BRZ/FRS....they cost almost the same as the base Z with 142 hp less. The truth sucks sometimes. We all like to dream.

Making a car and developing a production platform isn't the same as your regular mod where you can just cut an old platform shorter and build on it. Lol. It takes thousands of hours and millions of dollars to make it safe and reliable so it can be mass produce.

theDreamer

You do now they have partnerships with others and can easily (and fairly cost effective) license another platform without spending the R&D money, and the current platform is fairly old already so I would not be surprised if Nissan has been looking at something new or developing it already. Plus the Z platform is shared already with many other cars to help reduce long terms cost, this is one reason the IDx failed to be produced was because it was a brand new platform which at the time was not going to be shared with any other of Nissan's lineup.

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RicerX

Huh?

Oh... you must have gotten that 800lbs from the weight difference between your beloved Porsche Cayman and the Camaro. Well... the Camaro SS already out-accelerates the GT4 with the extra 800lbs. But if you're really curious as to how that works out in your argument with a weight reduction, you'll be able to get a Z/28 with reduced weight for several thousand less than the GT4, and it will likely walk all over it.

For those of us in the room talking about evolving/redesigning an existing product, the Camaro SS of today shed roughly 300lbs from its previous model. It added 24hp and 35tq. That, along with some suspension revisions, translated to a half a second improvement on a 0-60 time, greater lateral acceleration, and better braking. It is also capable of dipping into the 11s on the quarter mile off the lot when the old model was in the high 12s. (WHAT?!) It also does this for a modest price increase of roughly $3,000 from the previous generation. I will save you some math, since that is hard - that is not even a 10% increase in price.

Now tell me, sir, what kind of ramen-noodle-eating, bud-light-drinking, money saving sorcery is this ****?! Please pinch me... I must be dreaming that a company can significantly upgrade and evolve their product and offer it at a competitive price point.

Ford reduced weight and added power on the Mustang. Mazda SIGNIFICANTLY reduced weight with the Miata and provided a more efficient engine, though down on power, and it translated into a faster car.

We can expect Nissan to do the same. We expect them to do so because they have the tools at their disposal to do so. Follow me into the toolbox below:

The Infiniti Q50 is based on the existing FM platform that upholds the Z and G coupes. It is retooled with lighter weight materials. It is now available with a 400hp twin turbo V6. It makes that power using a modest 14.7psi of boost. That motor produces not only 400hp, but an orgasmic 350lb-ft of torque across 1800-5200 RPMs! It's orgasmic because it's peak torque across a broad range. Feel free to google that whole "power under the curve" concept. Because, in most cases, that translates to BETTER PERFORMANCE.

Now, kids... what did we just learn about our toolbox? A lighter platform that is already built to house a higher performance engine! Both of which are in production! Guess what that means, kids? We have a more powerful business case! We may even be able to stick to a similar price point with our new model Z because... well, not only do we have the tools, but OUR COMPETITION IS ALSO DOING IT!

Why are we in business? TO COMPETE.

A 3100lb Z pushing 400 to 450hp for $45k is what we would call COMPETITIVE. FOR 2016. We aren't trying to be competitive in 1970. Gas isn't 86 cents a gallon. Apples don't cost a nickel. Oldsmobile doesn't make cars.

You can spend your $85k on a niche premium branded car that, despite what you may think, is a limited production car (examples are Cayman GT4, GT-R Nismo) and not what we refer to as a full scale production car (370Z, Camaro SS) and be slower than some other sports cars that cost less, but have a gorgeous, exclusive machine that can perform very well. Or, by your logic, buy a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa and be slower than everyone else on this board, but hey, you have a Ferrari, right? Nothing could possibly be faster for the money you spent - that **** was top of the line, state of the art! NO ONE WILL EVER MAKE THAT KIND OF POWER WITH LESS THAN A FLAT 12! YOU MUST BE DREAMING!

I would quote the rest of your posts and obliterate them accordingly, but I'm too busy dreaming. Wake me up later when I'm right.

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NRTim

It's stupid articles like this that makes me wish the next gen Z came out sooner

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