[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

edk370 · 06-15-2016, 11:40 PM

The Z through all its generations never had a dud like the Mazda RX8; the late 90s to early 2000s Mustangs (even the 4.6 wasn't all that then); the Eclipse after they did away with the turbo motor; and lots of other cars that were supposed to carry the torch in subsequent generations....The only car that never missed, and always won praise, is the Mazda Miata. Critics love this car, through all its generations.

Back on topic. I think the Z35 will get the 3.0 V6 twin turbo. I mean think about it. How can Nissan let diehard Z fans down. I think Nissan will make it as quick as a stock V8 Mustang or Camaro...and the rest is up to you to tune.....I think the Z35 will be a pleasant surprise. That's why I say save up for it so you can get it when it comes out. It will be somewhat more expensive, but worth it.

....I think it'll target the BMW M2 for competition. We will see.

NRTim · 06-16-2016, 09:03 AM

Sad there's no info on a 370Z successor

My head is telling me R32 GTR but my heart is telling me to wait it out for a Z35 with the TT V6 engine if there is gonna be one......

RicerX · 06-16-2016, 09:59 AM

I'm likely doing one of two things -

1) Keeping my 2015 Q50, paying it off, and buying an R33 or R34 to toss into the garage.
2) If Infiniti adds a dual clutch and LSD to the Red Sport at the full mid-cycle refresh of the Q50, I'm just buying that and keeping it forever. The Q50 is a solid vehicle as long as you skip the electric steering. I have always been a manual purist, but I haven't had an automatic since my Chevy Cavalier, and I gotta say, the Jatco 7AT in the G/Z/Q50 is a pretty decent transmission.

A 400hp Red Sport with a dual clutch... NOM NOM.

RicerX · 06-16-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by edk370

....I think it'll target the BMW M2 for competition. We will see.

The only thing that makes sense for them to do in the grand scheme of things when you consider pricing and market conditions is build a smaller/lighter Z, toss in the 300hp version of the motor, and leave the M2 to a performance variant of the upcoming Q60. The Q60 is lower, lighter, and shorter than the outgoing G37/Q60 coupe - it won't be as small as the M2, but it will be close.

Think about it - why not rock out a $35k Z that could take a few bits from Cobb and be at 400hp for less than $40k and roast the Mustang and Camaro? Build the car with a solid foundation and the tuner crowd that loves the Z will come out in droves and buy it.

The Z is already a slow seller at $40k. Magically pricing it at $60k with the same power output as cars that cost $40k will kill it, no matter how good the chassis or driving experience is. At least... not on a Nissan nameplate. (I'm looking at you, Porsche Cayman - somehow, you sell doing what you do). The Nissan (or Infiniti brand, as of yet) don't have the level of prestige to make that work. The GT-R is a tad of an anomaly here, but not an extreme one.

RicerX · 06-16-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

WOW, it seems some of you guys don't understand what a Z is all about. It is a no frills driver car that is a great driving experience for a great price. The 300zxtt went way above that at a cost too. Z's have always been mod friendly so you can customize them to your own liking. The 350z was a good try but totally missed the styling of a Z. I never liked them. I would personally like to see a through back design more like a 240z of the new age. The 370z is close to that. Anyway, whatever. I love what I have and don't see changing anytime soon.

I agree it is a great drivers' car. Pricing is not so great for the level of drivers car you get. The Miata (for most people) is arguably a better drivers' car for $10k less. People would also argue the BRZ is a better drivers' car than the Z... for $10k less. On the other side of that, many find it difficult to argue the level of driver's car you get in a Vette for less than $10k more than a NISMO.

Sure a Z is customizable to your liking. You can also modify a Camry to your liking. However, as far as performance goes? The Z is NOT cost effective to modify... for anything. Performance, cosmetics, nothing. It may be the most expensive Z for customization, ever.

I completely understand what the Z is about, however. Most, if not all, people here do. However, I have had 3 Z34s myself, and have been around Z cars for nearly 20 years... the Z34 is in a weird place compared to every Z before it as far as what it's trying to do and where it fits.

The S30 hung with a Vette for less than half the money. The Z32 twin turbo hung with a Vette for less money. The Z33 was a massive success despite what you may think about its styling - it sold in droves and helped reawaken the affordable sports car arena (they could be had in the $20k range new), because during that time period we saw a new S2000, RX-8, and the sales of those vehicles motivated GM and Ford to rethink the Camaro and Mustang, and those cars motivated Dodge to recreate the Challenger. It was a VERY relevant car.

Things have changed, and car buyers have changed. Z owners have changed. The benchmark for what a sports car should do for the money has changed, just as it has for the last 47 years of the Z's existence. You say some of us don't understand what a Z is all about. I say you don't understand what the Z is meant to be about and what it should become. I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but I think rather than interpreting this discussion as misunderstanding of what a Z is about, I think you're demonstrating a misunderstanding of the point.

The Z is a great car. All of them (save the awkward late 70s/early 80s years... this was also a time when shag carpet and doorway beads were fashionable). I worry Nissan doesn't have the balls to evolve this car the way it needs to be evolved to stay relevant in the market after this iteration.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-16-2016, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RicerX

I agree it is a great drivers' car. Pricing is not so great for the level of drivers car you get. The Miata (for most people) is arguably a better drivers' car for $10k less. People would also argue the BRZ is a better drivers' car than the Z... for $10k less. On the other side of that, many find it difficult to argue the level of driver's car you get in a Vette for less than $10k more than a NISMO.

Sure a Z is customizable to your liking. You can also modify a Camry to your liking. However, as far as performance goes? The Z is NOT cost effective to modify... for anything. Performance, cosmetics, nothing. It may be the most expensive Z for customization, ever.

I completely understand what the Z is about, however. Most, if not all, people here do. However, I have had 3 Z34s myself, and have been around Z cars for nearly 20 years... the Z34 is in a weird place compared to every Z before it as far as what it's trying to do and where it fits.

The S30 hung with a Vette for less than half the money. The Z32 twin turbo hung with a Vette for less money. The Z33 was a massive success despite what you may think about its styling - it sold in droves and helped reawaken the affordable sports car arena (they could be had in the $20k range new), because during that time period we saw a new S2000, RX-8, and the sales of those vehicles motivated GM and Ford to rethink the Camaro and Mustang, and those cars motivated Dodge to recreate the Challenger. It was a VERY relevant car.

Things have changed, and car buyers have changed. Z owners have changed. The benchmark for what a sports car should do for the money has changed, just as it has for the last 47 years of the Z's existence. You say some of us don't understand what a Z is all about. I say you don't understand what the Z is meant to be about and what it should become. I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but I think rather than interpreting this discussion as misunderstanding of what a Z is about, I think you're demonstrating a misunderstanding of the point.

The Z is a great car. All of them (save the awkward late 70s/early 80s years... this was also a time when shag carpet and doorway beads were fashionable). I worry Nissan doesn't have the balls to evolve this car the way it needs to be evolved to stay relevant in the market after this iteration.

I didn't see who wrote this first. I should've known. Well said bruh!!!

killrain · 06-16-2016, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

I agree it is a great drivers' car. Pricing is not so great for the level of drivers car you get. The Miata (for most people) is arguably a better drivers' car for $10k less. People would also argue the BRZ is a better drivers' car than the Z... for $10k less. On the other side of that, many find it difficult to argue the level of driver's car you get in a Vette for less than $10k more than a NISMO.

Sure a Z is customizable to your liking. You can also modify a Camry to your liking. However, as far as performance goes? The Z is NOT cost effective to modify... for anything. Performance, cosmetics, nothing. It may be the most expensive Z for customization, ever.

I completely understand what the Z is about, however. Most, if not all, people here do. However, I have had 3 Z34s myself, and have been around Z cars for nearly 20 years... the Z34 is in a weird place compared to every Z before it as far as what it's trying to do and where it fits.

The S30 hung with a Vette for less than half the money. The Z32 twin turbo hung with a Vette for less money. The Z33 was a massive success despite what you may think about its styling - it sold in droves and helped reawaken the affordable sports car arena (they could be had in the $20k range new), because during that time period we saw a new S2000, RX-8, and the sales of those vehicles motivated GM and Ford to rethink the Camaro and Mustang, and those cars motivated Dodge to recreate the Challenger. It was a VERY relevant car.

Things have changed, and car buyers have changed. Z owners have changed. The benchmark for what a sports car should do for the money has changed, just as it has for the last 47 years of the Z's existence. You say some of us don't understand what a Z is all about. I say you don't understand what the Z is meant to be about and what it should become. I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but I think rather than interpreting this discussion as misunderstanding of what a Z is about, I think you're demonstrating a misunderstanding of the point.

The Z is a great car. All of them (save the awkward late 70s/early 80s years... this was also a time when shag carpet and doorway beads were fashionable). I worry Nissan doesn't have the balls to evolve this car the way it needs to be evolved to stay relevant in the market after this iteration.

ZHighlander · 06-16-2016, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

I agree it is a great drivers' car. Pricing is not so great for the level of drivers car you get. The Miata (for most people) is arguably a better drivers' car for $10k less. People would also argue the BRZ is a better drivers' car than the Z... for $10k less. On the other side of that, many find it difficult to argue the level of driver's car you get in a Vette for less than $10k more than a NISMO.

Sure a Z is customizable to your liking. You can also modify a Camry to your liking. However, as far as performance goes? The Z is NOT cost effective to modify... for anything. Performance, cosmetics, nothing. It may be the most expensive Z for customization, ever.

I completely understand what the Z is about, however. Most, if not all, people here do. However, I have had 3 Z34s myself, and have been around Z cars for nearly 20 years... the Z34 is in a weird place compared to every Z before it as far as what it's trying to do and where it fits.

The S30 hung with a Vette for less than half the money. The Z32 twin turbo hung with a Vette for less money. The Z33 was a massive success despite what you may think about its styling - it sold in droves and helped reawaken the affordable sports car arena (they could be had in the $20k range new), because during that time period we saw a new S2000, RX-8, and the sales of those vehicles motivated GM and Ford to rethink the Camaro and Mustang, and those cars motivated Dodge to recreate the Challenger. It was a VERY relevant car.

Things have changed, and car buyers have changed. Z owners have changed. The benchmark for what a sports car should do for the money has changed, just as it has for the last 47 years of the Z's existence. You say some of us don't understand what a Z is all about. I say you don't understand what the Z is meant to be about and what it should become. I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, but I think rather than interpreting this discussion as misunderstanding of what a Z is about, I think you're demonstrating a misunderstanding of the point.

The Z is a great car. All of them (save the awkward late 70s/early 80s years... this was also a time when shag carpet and doorway beads were fashionable). I worry Nissan doesn't have the balls to evolve this car the way it needs to be evolved to stay relevant in the market after this iteration.

I'd have to agree, although I love my 16 Nismo. But as far as bang for the buck, the Z right now is really not as competitive.

I was willing to pay the "premium" because I always wanted a Z and finally decided to go all out on one, loved the style of the new Nismo, and I didn't want to go Bodykit and too many aftermarket parts (mainly cuz I don't know what I'm doing).

As far as what I paid, I've been quite happy. Non-stop compliments, really fun to drive, and just feels great. But, again... premium.

For the price, you could get a lot more tech and relatively more performance with other competitors. If I were into muscle cars I would've considered the Camaro 2SS for the price range. Or for more luxury, comfort and tech I'd consider the Lexus RC 350 F Sport.

The Z really is a relatively niche market nowadays. Regardless, I also like the unique factor, at least in my area. Very rarely do I see another 370z, and even more rare is a 15/16 Nismo. If I happen to drive next to a Camaro, Lexus RC (or even RC F), Mustang GT, BRZ, etc., the spectators will usually be glued to my car instead, lol.

We have our reasons for loving the Z, and it's all valid. But lets also be realistic... it's really far from being competitive given all the other performance and tech that's available nowadays. Especially the Tech... you know what I mean when comparing interior and tech options compared to others. Yes, the Z is much more raw and feels great, but Screen controls and Backup cam really should be closer to standard options, and more modernized meters wouldn't hurt.

But with that said, performance shouldn't just be looked at with HP, as many tend to do. There are turns in the roads, and on tracks, and the Z's handling is absolutely phenomenal when it comes to that, and should be considered in the comparison.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-16-2016, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZHighlander

I'd have to agree, although I love my 16 Nismo. But as far as bang for the buck, the Z right now is really not as competitive.

I was willing to pay the "premium" because I always wanted a Z and finally decided to go all out on one, loved the style of the new Nismo, and I didn't want to go Bodykit and too many aftermarket parts (mainly cuz I don't know what I'm doing).

As far as what I paid, I've been quite happy. Non-stop compliments, really fun to drive, and just feels great. But, again... premium.

For the price, you could get a lot more tech and relatively more performance with other competitors. If I were into muscle cars I would've considered the Camaro 2SS for the price range. Or for more luxury, comfort and tech I'd consider the Lexus RC 350 F Sport.

The Z really is a relatively niche market nowadays. Regardless, I also like the unique factor, at least in my area. Very rarely do I see another 370z, and even more rare is a 15/16 Nismo. If I happen to drive next to a Camaro, Lexus RC (or even RC F), Mustang GT, BRZ, etc., the spectators will usually be glued to my car instead, lol.

We have our reasons for loving the Z, and it's all valid. But lets also be realistic... it's really far from being competitive given all the other performance and tech that's available nowadays. Especially the Tech... you know what I mean when comparing interior and tech options compared to others. Yes, the Z is much more raw and feels great, but Screen controls and Backup cam really should be closer to standard options, and more modernized meters wouldn't hurt.

But with that said, performance shouldn't just be looked at with HP, as many tend to do. There are turns in the roads, and on tracks, and the Z's handling is absolutely phenomenal when it comes to that, and should be considered in the comparison.

To your last line about Z handling. Absolutely. Everyone compares the Z to other cars. I could care less about the other cars. I just want another Z with the enhancements Nissan implied in 2012...Period.

MagmaRed370z · 06-16-2016, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

To your last line about Z handling. Absolutely. Everyone compares the Z to other cars. I could care less about the other cars. I just want another Z with the enhancements Nissan implied in 2012...Period.

Can you refresh my memory and advise on the "upgrades/enhancements" that Nissan implied in 2012? I don't recall.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-17-2016, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr

Can you refresh my memory and advise on the "upgrades/enhancements" that Nissan implied in 2012? I don't recall.

They implied a car is closer to the original Z in weight, design and handling. A car that's more versatile with a bigger trunk for better grand touring capability while maintaining a true sports car feel. They said they were looking into offering different engine options to cater to more customers around and offering a benchmark in modern technology. That's what was said in Jay Leno's garage.

Z_ealot · 06-17-2016, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

They implied a car is closer to the original Z in weight, design and handling. A car that's more versatile with a bigger trunk for better grand touring capability while maintaining a true sports car feel. They said they were looking into offering different engine options to cater to more customers around and offering a benchmark in modern technology. That's what was said in Jay Leno's garage.

Yeah, that was until the bean counters saw that video and probably chastised shiro nakamura for speaking out of line lol

Godzilla35 · 06-18-2016, 01:43 AM

a lot has changed since that video though...

The iDX got cancelled. The FRS didn't do that well (fair for me to say, I DD one). I've been out of the G/Z scene for awhile (sold my 04 back in 2010ish). But I am gonna take a wild guess and say the Z will be akin to this...?...

2017 Infiniti Q60 Luxury Coupe | Infiniti USA

I sincerely hope it doesn't take too many styling cues from this because it isn't my cup of tea. But the engine sounds like a natural progression... V6TT to make it relateable to the GTR at 400hp, but not encroaching on Nissan's halo car prowess...

The one thing I hope that they take away from the iDX + FRS + oldschool Datsun "anniversary" idea is lighter weight. I drift now and I realize how heavy my G was and what a big difference that makes. Straight line is great but I hope that the handling is drastically improved.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-18-2016, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla35

a lot has changed since that video though...

The iDX got cancelled. The FRS didn't do that well (fair for me to say, I DD one). I've been out of the G/Z scene for awhile (sold my 04 back in 2010ish). But I am gonna take a wild guess and say the Z will be akin to this...?...

2017 Infiniti Q60 Luxury Coupe | Infiniti USA

I sincerely hope it doesn't take too many styling cues from this because it isn't my cup of tea. But the engine sounds like a natural progression... V6TT to make it relateable to the GTR at 400hp, but not encroaching on Nissan's halo car prowess...

The one thing I hope that they take away from the iDX + FRS + oldschool Datsun "anniversary" idea is lighter weight. I drift now and I realize how heavy my G was and what a big difference that makes. Straight line is great but I hope that the handling is drastically improved.

I would hope that 400hp v6 is our high end engine. I believe the grip Z is the vehicle where you can find future Z styling cues from. People are speculating the "Z" will be a lineup of cars. A 2 Seater, 4 Seater, roadster and crossover. I only have interest in the two Seater.

It is said there will be a 4ChL turbo option. I'm only interested in a 400/450hp Nismo.

It's said it will have a Targa model too. Kool.

It is said it will have a starting price that's lower. Probably on the 4 cyl to compete with FRS.

They said the new gen Z35 will be a departure from being the Q series brother. Maybe Z and GTR will become more closely related.

They said they have no plans of KILLING THE Z or GT-R lineup. Ever!!!

We've been getting a lot of information. Kind of like how Mr. Myagi taught Daniel-San Karate that appeared to have a Kung Fu philosophy. Lol. He didn't know he was learning till Mr Myagi said... "Show me, sand the floor", "show me paint the fence" But Danielsan needed to learn Karate in 2 months. And we are itching to drive Nissan's next iteration.

For this Z34, I was married and trying to be a good husband. Only able to be a part time enthusiast. I'm single now n I'm dying for a Z35 to immerse myself into the culture again ABD hit up all the events. I love Nissan Z's Rx 7's n Supra's. I'd love to see them come back. Even the Mitsubishi conquest was sick and was the inception to modern day Tuning. It deserves its spot as the founder of computerized turbo technology. People are quick to forget that kool ride.

I just want Nissan to show us some respect though. 2017 could at least have a soft touch dash n door uppers with the foglight as standard. And I'd be like. OK, it's something. Just like the Nismo was.... but the engine in the nismo isn't deserving of its price by $4,000.

brucelidat · 06-18-2016, 11:14 AM

I'm expecting the 300hp tt engine in the normal z maybe tuned up slightly and the 400hp in the Nismo. I am hoping this 400hp nismo is about the same price as the nismo now and has more storage so I can use it for work occasionally (have a big luggage sized case of equipment I carry to jobs). Oh yeah, and I hope the Nismo looks nice and not too over the top boy racer. I like the current one a lot.

06-15-2016, 11:40 PM	#1921 (permalink)
edk370 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 296 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 13	The Z through all its generations never had a dud like the Mazda RX8; the late 90s to early 2000s Mustangs (even the 4.6 wasn't all that then); the Eclipse after they did away with the turbo motor; and lots of other cars that were supposed to carry the torch in subsequent generations....The only car that never missed, and always won praise, is the Mazda Miata. Critics love this car, through all its generations. Back on topic. I think the Z35 will get the 3.0 V6 twin turbo. I mean think about it. How can Nissan let diehard Z fans down. I think Nissan will make it as quick as a stock V8 Mustang or Camaro...and the rest is up to you to tune.....I think the Z35 will be a pleasant surprise. That's why I say save up for it so you can get it when it comes out. It will be somewhat more expensive, but worth it. ....I think it'll target the BMW M2 for competition. We will see. MagmaRed370z and NISMO IX like this.

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NRTim Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nowhere,TX Age: 38 Posts: 131 Drives: 2017 ??? Rep Power: 16	Sad there's no info on a 370Z successor My head is telling me R32 GTR but my heart is telling me to wait it out for a Z35 with the TT V6 engine if there is gonna be one...... RicerX likes this.

06-16-2016, 09:59 AM	#1923 (permalink)
RicerX Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: TN Posts: 597 Drives: To the Pizza joint. Rep Power: 7721	I'm likely doing one of two things - 1) Keeping my 2015 Q50, paying it off, and buying an R33 or R34 to toss into the garage. 2) If Infiniti adds a dual clutch and LSD to the Red Sport at the full mid-cycle refresh of the Q50, I'm just buying that and keeping it forever. The Q50 is a solid vehicle as long as you skip the electric steering. I have always been a manual purist, but I haven't had an automatic since my Chevy Cavalier, and I gotta say, the Jatco 7AT in the G/Z/Q50 is a pretty decent transmission. A 400hp Red Sport with a dual clutch... NOM NOM. UNKNOWN_370 and DarkJak like this.

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brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	I'm expecting the 300hp tt engine in the normal z maybe tuned up slightly and the 400hp in the Nismo. I am hoping this 400hp nismo is about the same price as the nismo now and has more storage so I can use it for work occasionally (have a big luggage sized case of equipment I carry to jobs). Oh yeah, and I hope the Nismo looks nice and not too over the top boy racer. I like the current one a lot. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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Godzilla35 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: LA / SD Posts: 17 Drives: 04 G35 coupe 5AT Rep Power: 16	a lot has changed since that video though... The iDX got cancelled. The FRS didn't do that well (fair for me to say, I DD one). I've been out of the G/Z scene for awhile (sold my 04 back in 2010ish). But I am gonna take a wild guess and say the Z will be akin to this...?... 2017 Infiniti Q60 Luxury Coupe \| Infiniti USA I sincerely hope it doesn't take too many styling cues from this because it isn't my cup of tea. But the engine sounds like a natural progression... V6TT to make it relateable to the GTR at 400hp, but not encroaching on Nissan's halo car prowess... The one thing I hope that they take away from the iDX + FRS + oldschool Datsun "anniversary" idea is lighter weight. I drift now and I realize how heavy my G was and what a big difference that makes. Straight line is great but I hope that the handling is drastically improved.