[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

kay.zee · 02-12-2016, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

First of all, I don't think anyone is claiming that a new Z is being built. We are just giving our opinions, on what we hope Nissan does, if they build a new Z.

2nd, if you understand Nissan's manufacturing structure as well as most automobile manufacturer's. It's very logical and cost efficient from a business model to use the same engine/chassis as the Q's. Currently the Z, GTR, Infiniti Q50/60's engine & components with the V6 are manufactured in Japan and then all are assembled at the same plant.

Also, I posted this earlier. Nissan Juke sales average approx 3K units a month in the US. Scion FRS approx 800 units a month. Downsizing the Z to this category will not be possible due to lack of sales and the real possibility of the Z just robbing sales from the Juke. Now update the Z with the new 400 hp engine and you can possibly rob sales from Corvette (3k units per month), Cayman, Camaro & Mustang and still maintain Nissan's loyal, consistent Z base of 600 cars per month.

Once again, I'm not saying a new Z is forthcoming, but if Nissan builds one, the 400hp turbo engine sounds like the logical business choice to me.

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

Tick64 · 02-12-2016, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

Jungle Z knows all.

Magic Bus · 02-14-2016, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

Not sure I can answer your question (underlined) in a manner that you'll understand but I'll do my best with some business logic, facts and statistics. A little long winded on my part but the answer should make some sense further below.

First the information you stated from interviews that came from Nissan heads and designers (bolded) is not totally accurate. They came from department heads, otherwise known as VP's. Definitely not high enough on the corporate structure to say yes or no to a new car, also keep in mind, designers are very low on the corporate ladder, and in no way can they create a new car. In fact, they are instructed by their superiors, what type of car to design. Remember that all new vehicles for Nissan are only authorized by Carlos Ghosn. Yes, he Is the head of Nissan and a very savvy head man at that.

Second, for Nissan to compete in the same segment as the FRS would be financial suicide. The FRS is currently selling only 800 cars a month in the US. The 8 year old Z is currently still selling 600 cars a month. So why would a smart man like Carlos Ghosn authorize a new car to compete in the FRS segment?

Third, the Z, Q50/60 and GTR are all manufactured in the same plant in Japan. The Z & Q's share basically the same engine, chassis & parts. Some of which the GTR uses. This requires less research and development, plant tooling and training of employees. All of which, costs a lot of money to do. Carlos Ghosn understands this and thus all of the 4 vehicle listed above have been profitable for Nissan.

Fourth, the C6 Corvette only sold 1,000 cars a month for years, prior to the arrival of the C7. Once the C7 arrived toward the end of 2013, Vette sales increased to 3,000 cars a month and remains there till this day. Chevrolet increased the power, handling and looks of the Vette, oh yeah, they increased the price by $5k on the base C7 too.

What many people don't understand is that there are quite a few Americans that can afford a $50-60k car. This demographic is basically age 50 and up, not usually on car forums and are more concerned with the quality/value of their purchase, rather than price. Status is also a silent concern for most of them.

If you were Carlos Ghosn and only given two choices, compete in the FRS category or compete in the much higher volume Corvette/BMW M4 (400+ hp) category. Which one would you choose?

Please keep in mind, I have not said Nissan will come out with a new Z but if I were the head of Nissan and wanted to keep the iconic Z alive, I definitely would not make it an FRS fighter.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-15-2016, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Not sure I can answer your question (underlined) in a manner that you'll understand but I'll do my best with some business logic, facts and statistics. A little long winded on my part but the answer should make some sense further below.

First the information you stated from interviews that came from Nissan heads and designers (bolded) is not totally accurate. They came from department heads, otherwise known as VP's. Definitely not high enough on the corporate structure to say yes or no to a new car, also keep in mind, designers are very low on the corporate ladder, and in no way can they create a new car. In fact, they are instructed by their superiors, what type of car to design. Remember that all new vehicles for Nissan are only authorized by Carlos Ghosn. Yes, he Is the head of Nissan and a very savvy head man at that.

Second, for Nissan to compete in the same segment as the FRS would be financial suicide. The FRS is currently selling only 800 cars a month in the US. The 8 year old Z is currently still selling 600 cars a month. So why would a smart man like Carlos Ghosn authorize a new car to compete in the FRS segment?

Third, the Z, Q50/60 and GTR are all manufactured in the same plant in Japan. The Z & Q's share basically the same engine, chassis & parts. Some of which the GTR uses. This requires less research and development, plant tooling and training of employees. All of which, costs a lot of money to do. Carlos Ghosn understands this and thus all of the 4 vehicle listed above have been profitable for Nissan.

Fourth, the C6 Corvette only sold 1,000 cars a month for years, prior to the arrival of the C7. Once the C7 arrived toward the end of 2013, Vette sales increased to 3,000 cars a month and remains there till this day. Chevrolet increased the power, handling and looks of the Vette, oh yeah, they increased the price by $5k on the base C7 too.

What many people don't understand is that there are quite a few Americans that can afford a $50-60k car. This demographic is basically age 50 and up, not usually on car forums and are more concerned with the quality/value of their purchase, rather than price. Status is also a silent concern for most of them.

If you were Carlos Ghosn and only given two choices, compete in the FRS category or compete in the much higher volume Corvette/BMW M4 (400+ hp) category. Which one would you choose?

Please keep in mind, I have not said Nissan will come out with a new Z but if I were the head of Nissan and wanted to keep the iconic Z alive, I definitely would not make it an FRS fighter.

What the poster you're responding to is failing to see is that we have TURBO TECH OIN EVERYTHING now..

1. So making more power and getting better emissions is MUCH less of an issue

2. The 2009 Z came out in late 2008 when the economy crashed and ALL 2 seat sport coupes suffered.

3. Being that the economy is better. The Z has a better chance at success... The new chassis in the Grip Z is a case study platform for more versatility in the Z to increase sales.

4. Historically/ the Z/G has shared the same platform and engine. Though Nissan's grip Z is a new platform for the Z and possibly a range of NEW Nissan sport cars...
I expect the Z to STILL share identical engine choices in the Z. Common sense says it... Saves money, over re-engineering another new engine. Nissan isn't going to go that far in spenditure

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