[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Originally Posted by GZ3

i cant deny im still have some miniscule faith though...

Originally Posted by sx moneypit

Originally Posted by GZ3

How amazing would it be if they said, an ST or TT 3.0 6cyl from the benz platform as they were once talking! They would not keep the current die hard Z enthusiast, but they would win back all the ones lost to the 5.0, SS and other performance-per-dollar cars of late...and win some new demograph. I mean lets be honest...most guys want a sports car, practicality take a back seat, i have so many buddies that have done the rear seat deletes on thier 5.0 and 1Le's. Nissan could potentially capatilze so well right now....the new SS just announced....the new 5.0 already on the streets,...a 400hp coupe would absolutely be competitive. I mean just to say "a 400hp Z" is sexy enough....sigh....i hope nissan has eyes and ears on the Z forums like SVT and camaro5 does.... those manufacturers answered the fans and loyalists

Originally Posted by Rusty

Short list of cars I like. In no order. These are within my reach.

Viper ACR
Porsche GT4
Vette Z06
Jaguar F Type R
GT-R

The new Z is not on the list if it is a crossover or whatever.

Originally Posted by Rusty

To add to this. Dodge is planning on a track focused Challenger with no rear seat, lighter weight, more HP. It's to take on the Boss 302 and the Z28.

Originally Posted by wanderer1234

If the Z reaches the 50k+ range there's gonna be a new thread...."Nissan needs to add more power to compete with the Corvette, it's about the same price"!

It's a never ending cycle. Be happy with what Nissan is making and enjoy your nice little 2 seater RWD sports car. ��

Originally Posted by RicerX

I have people respectfully disagree with me everyday, but at least they can articulate a coherent point in doing so. It's not just that we disagree, it's that the "point" you're making in your previous posts isn't rooted in reality whatsoever. However, now that you're taking more time to articulate yourself, it's getting much better.

In order to accurately speculate as to what Nissan will do with this thing, you have to understand how Nissan is going to approach this from a business case because they're currently in love with their billions in profits. They have to build the next Z to make money, or they won't build it, and how they start is how cost-effective it will be for them to design and produce.



Ok the Camaro is losing weight and adding power for the first time in its history. I overlooked that to my detriment. However, the Mustang gained weight and not much power to offset it. So perhaps you're also shooting yourself in the foot by leaving that out of your rebuttal?

Let's focus on this reality, however, which still reinforces my original point - Chevy is doing this on the Alpha platform that is shared across three vehicles with more in the pipeline (CTS, ATS, and Camaro with future vehicles being considered, and these are all volume cars!) This helps them create more profit and in turn increase flexibility. The Mustang does not yet share its platform with anyone, but it's a long established VOLUME car that Ford can afford to do more with, and it's consistently the #1 or #2 seller in its segment. What does Nissan have that they can create this type of scenario with? If they're going to downsize, they can't share a platform with the Q50. If they're going to stay the same, then it looks like they would continue using the FM platform that is currently the G/Z, but with the G/Q40 being done after this year, that's not even cost effective anymore, so that's very unlikely.

The Z isn't a volume car, and as such, it won't get volume R&D dollars to create "optimum design scenarios" unless it streamlines with some other strategy Nissan has not yet revealed.



Hey! We agree here. But what about for the other two motors you think they should have available a la pony cars? Where would those come from?



We also agree here.



Many would argue that it already is in 370Z form, including myself, but Nissan has already indicated that it won't go this direction for the next gen.



We also agree here. You are showing great improvement.



Many, including some of the longtime Nissan guys that were around when the 240Z came out, would disagree with you here. Today's definition of "affordable sports car" is different than what it was in the 70s when there was less competition, less diversity in the market, and less money to be thrown around for cars from prospective buyers.

So I proposed to you this - would a car that's 2800lbs-ish with a 250hp/250tq-ish turbo 4 on a solid platform that costs around $27k really be such a bad thing?

Originally Posted by GZ3

havent heard of this... time to do a little researching thanks!

Originally Posted by my2004Z

Originally Posted by GZ3

it needs to say in the segment its getting raped in. You can stroll into a ford dealer and pick up a 5.0 for the price of a Z, get a base model gt350 once mark up is over for cheaper than a NISMO, go to a chevy dealer and get an SS or 1LE for the price of a Z, A dodge dealer get a scat pack challenger or charger for less than a NISMO, Challenger for the same as a Z, ...all cars that will easily beat a Z. NISSAN needs to wake up, put a turbo 6 good for about 400/400, or just do the Heritage a favor and retire it. Maybe come back a few years from now when they are ready to get their heads out of their ***'

Originally Posted by my2004Z