[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

FPenvy

at the auctions the nismo w/ tech is only 35-38k

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RicerX

I have people respectfully disagree with me everyday, but at least they can articulate a coherent point in doing so. It's not just that we disagree, it's that the "point" you're making in your previous posts isn't rooted in reality whatsoever. However, now that you're taking more time to articulate yourself, it's getting much better.

In order to accurately speculate as to what Nissan will do with this thing, you have to understand how Nissan is going to approach this from a business case because they're currently in love with their billions in profits. They have to build the next Z to make money, or they won't build it, and how they start is how cost-effective it will be for them to design and produce.

Ok the Camaro is losing weight and adding power for the first time in its history. I overlooked that to my detriment. However, the Mustang gained weight and not much power to offset it. So perhaps you're also shooting yourself in the foot by leaving that out of your rebuttal?

Let's focus on this reality, however, which still reinforces my original point - Chevy is doing this on the Alpha platform that is shared across three vehicles with more in the pipeline (CTS, ATS, and Camaro with future vehicles being considered, and these are all volume cars!) This helps them create more profit and in turn increase flexibility. The Mustang does not yet share its platform with anyone, but it's a long established VOLUME car that Ford can afford to do more with, and it's consistently the #1 or #2 seller in its segment. What does Nissan have that they can create this type of scenario with? If they're going to downsize, they can't share a platform with the Q50. If they're going to stay the same, then it looks like they would continue using the FM platform that is currently the G/Z, but with the G/Q40 being done after this year, that's not even cost effective anymore, so that's very unlikely.

The Z isn't a volume car, and as such, it won't get volume R&D dollars to create "optimum design scenarios" unless it streamlines with some other strategy Nissan has not yet revealed.

Hey! We agree here. But what about for the other two motors you think they should have available a la pony cars? Where would those come from?

We also agree here.

Many would argue that it already is in 370Z form, including myself, but Nissan has already indicated that it won't go this direction for the next gen.

We also agree here. You are showing great improvement.

Many, including some of the longtime Nissan guys that were around when the 240Z came out, would disagree with you here. Today's definition of "affordable sports car" is different than what it was in the 70s when there was less competition, less diversity in the market, and less money to be thrown around for cars from prospective buyers.

So I proposed to you this - would a car that's 2800lbs-ish with a 250hp/250tq-ish turbo 4 on a solid platform that costs around $27k really be such a bad thing?

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Firebase99

Just like in other thread....no it wouldnt be bad, Id like to see 300/300. EASILY done with a boosted 4 banger too. Id be in one, loaded for $33k.

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njobe89

STi is 300/300 i believe, but they're also almost 40k loaded here.

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Firebase99

Itll be 2017 by the time this thing is out, if they cant get cost down for a 300/300 boosted four...then i dunno. I need more than 250 if its 2800 pounds. Feels so much meatier, explosive, at highway speeds.

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njobe89

blah, by then cars will fly. who know's what things will be discovered within a year.

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Firebase99

Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!

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Jimbo370

Nissan can get rid of 35# with the spare tire like most other companies. Keep the wheels at 17 or 18in (no need to have mine is bigger fights). Use more carbon fiber to front hood/bumper and rear-end. Take out and smooth some of the impregnated interior in the boot. Use a lighter frame material(magnesium or titanium) Cost?
Also improve on the sound/wt of exhaust since no one like the oem and have several tunes set in factory. a few ideas.

MagmaRed370z

Eliminate 200 pounds of the car, increase power to 380 HP and sell it for $35K.

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Rusty

Get over it. Quit crying in your beers. The next Z is a crossover. PERIOD!!! Why keep trying to say what you would like in the next Z sports car. Ain't going to happen. How about talking about a more comfortable rear seat, more cup holders, hidden storage areas, all wheel drive. Stuff like that. Think soccer mom!

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FPenvy

when did this whole crossover rumor become fact? lol

there's no evidence of it aside from a website that isn't credible. also the writer only reached the 6th grade based on what I read.

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Rusty

Porsche asked what their customers wanted. And they delivered.

More then one place is reporting it.

Will the next Nissan Z be a crossover?

I'm Really Hoping This Nissan Crossover Concept Isn't The Next Z

Nissan teases possible Z crossover concept in Frankfurt | Digital Trends

Is The Next Nissan Z Going To Be A Crossover?

Nissan just dropped a major hint about its future sports car

..............and this is just a sampling of what's being reported. Which one of these writers only reached 6th grade?

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cigarclifford

That is a lot of supporting information brother Rusty

-Clifford

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Z_ealot

And yet all of the article titles either have a question mark or something to the effect of them not knowing what the hell nissan is going to be showing at the frankfurt show lol

Rusty

Thinking about this a little deeper. Bet someone at Nissan leaked the info on porpoise. Either to gauge the reactions to a crossover, or to hide the fact that they are coming out with a new Z. Something what our gov't does with the ufo reports around Area 51, when they are testing new aircraft.

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