[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Rusty

Nah, the GT-R is their flagship with the techno crap. So it stays as is with up-dates. The Z is a different story. It doesn't sell well. So they got to do something with it.

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wanderer1234

Correct me if I'm wrong but how many 3100 lb car with 375-420 hp are out there with a price tag between 30-45k? Let's be real and not ask Nissan to do the impossible.

I think every Z owner would trade theirs in for this new model if it is produce but to get that kind of performance we have to dig deeper into our pockets and pay more!

tvfreakazoid

Nissan could if they built it here or mexico. Its possible.
And the Nissan Z is more like 3400lb or heavier

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triso07

They're at 350hp right now with a Nismo variant. A jump to 375hp is not an outrageous ask. As for the weight savings. The base 370z is at what 3250? Again, with a redesigned body and focus on keeping weight low it doesn't seem unreasonable to hit that target.

mishuko

add in safety and then the insulation because all the whiners comparing the road noise to luxury cars and then you're hitting back to the 3300 mark.

drop the size of the engine and add roids? the pumbing would probably make up the difference in weight saved in a smaller engine.

we're not getting any lighter these days with all these epa/safety targets that need to be met.

RicerX

They're at 350hp with a maxed out OEM 3.7L V6. How do you propose they eek out an extra 25hp from that motor while maintaining all the environmental requirements that they're bound to? Furthermore, how do you propose to do that while maintaining or reducing weight on the powertrain alone? Finally, how would you plan to capture buyers outside the traditional Z demographic to make it a sales success with "only an additional 25hp" over the outgoing model? Casual sports/sporty car buyers don't care about weight, otherwise you wouldn't see any Challengers on the roads (CASUAL buyers - the type that don't distinguish between pony cars and sports cars, the type that the Z needs conquest sales from to make a business case for Nissan).

Don't forget - turbos add weight. A 3.7 VQ needs a platform large enough to carry it, so I wouldn't bank on reducing the overall platform size from the 370, and that's if you don't go up in displacement. A 3.0L V6 TT is going to take a similar amount of room when you add turbo hardware and the necessary cooling components. You probably don't want to reduce the vehicle's track or wheelbase in their respective widths and lengths if you want to use the 370 as a baseline in performance numbers. If you rework the 3.7 with direct injection, any performance gains going DI on an NA platform will likely be offset in hardware revisions such as the inclusion of cam-driven fuel pumps, etc.

I fail to see where you get an extra 25hp from where we are and reduce weight by 200lbs. After all, what you're looking for is a net gain in performance from a 370, right?

There is a paradigm in car buying today - you can buy a sports car that has two (and ONLY two) of the three following qualities: cheap, fast, lightweight.

You can buy a car that is cheap and fast, but not lightweight.
You can buy a car that is lightweight and cheap, but not fast.

And finally, you can buy a car that is lightweight and fast, but it won't be cheap.

This thread is precisely why Nissan has no idea what to do with the Z - its own buyers don't know what the hell they want besides a unicorn, and there aren't any automakers in the business of building unicorns.

I can bet Nissan's research study on current Z owners looks a lot like this:
22% want the car to be faster and more powerful
25% want the car to be cheaper and lighter
22% want the car to be lighter and more powerful
31% want a GT-R but can't afford it.

Of those buyers, 68% won't buy one new, 12% can't afford one, and 20% will be mad that it doesn't have enough power.

That's all from me for the day.

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tvfreakazoid

Nissan has failed the U.S.A

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Z_ealot

I blame you

RicerX

... all I can see is ...

triso07

Nissan has to step up their performance game, but they don't have to try and compete with America's HP levels. They just need to make the Z a little faster and a little lighter with a killer design and people will buy it.

wanderer1234

I agree with the above post. If you want fast and lightweight it ain't cheap. If you want cheap and lightweight it won't be fast. If you want fast and cheap it won't be lightweight. If you want fast and lightweight like me, chances are you can't afford it like me.

If you have money, go buy the Porsche Cayman GTS or GT4 which is lightweight and fast for 75-85k.

Bottom line is, most Z owners like me want the car to gain power and lose weight but already complain that the Nismo is too expensive at 41999. Let's just all be happy Nissan is still making a RWD 2 seater sports car. There's not many of those around nowadays. Enjoy the car while it lasts! We don't know when it's going to get discontinued.

triso07

Go buy a Porsche is a stupid response.

America is pushing the boundaries for performance per dollar but Nissan can't? ********. This is excuse making.

wanderer1234

Uhhhh. Name me another RWD 2 seater sports car out there that has about the same power and weight as the current Z and in the same price range. There's none bro. The Porsche is a step up but that seems to fit what you are wanting, more power and lighter.

And....uhhhhh....If you want straight line power, you're looking at the wrong car.

Rusty

The Porsche Cayman GT4 is sold out. Don't even bother trying to find one from what I've read. Also Porsche said that they're going with smaller motors with turbo's. The 911's will have 3.0L twins turbos with 385hp for 2017.

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