[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

wanderer1234

Nissan is confused on what to do. They don't want to bump the horsepower on the current Z in fear that it will hinder the sales of the GTR. From a manufacture's point of view it would be stupid to have two cars produce fairly similar power when one is less than half the price of the other one.

A factory TT Z with 450 HP can easily rival a 550-600 HP GTR with a few simple mod.

I personally don't think Nissan will ever do do that. If they did that'll be the end of the GTR. People will go, "hey I can buy a Z for less than half of a GTR and make it quicker"!

Dropping weight and using the Juke Nismo RS engine to compete with the BRZ/FRS is much more financially beneficial for Nissan.

Firebase99

The next gen GTR is AWD, balls deep, launch control, aint stopping for nuns or nuthing, spaceball insanity 800hp. A 420-450hp RWD Z is zero threat.

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thayne

Even at similar HP levels, the Z and GTR are very different cars.

wanderer1234

From a roll its a threat. From Nissan's point of view, the customers would rather pay 40-50k for a 450 HP Z than almost 200k for a 800 HP car. Why would anyone pay 200k when they can have just as much fun in a 40-50k car.

Fact of the matter is Nissan wont make something that will take sales away from the GTR. The vice president already said, if you want power go GTR.

triso07

Sorry but that makes no sense. The GTR is a huge, heavy, AWD, dual-clutch supercar. Bumping the Z to 400-425hp even via turbos does not encroach on a GTR in any way. The car is a smaller, lightweight (relatively), 2-seat sports car.

No doubt the successful return of muscle cars (go America) has scared Nissan and most definitely cost the Z potential buyers. If you're looking for a cool sporty car that has good performance on a budget, American Muscle is very appealing.

I still maintain though that Nissan really doesn't need to do much with this car to make it a hit. It's long in the tooth and needs a good solid redesign that focuses on strong simple lines (NOT the way Nissans design has been going unfortunately). They need to bump the power to anywhere from 375-425 and get the weight down to 3100lbs. Use a little better materials on the inside. Maybe offer the standard car as an NA V6 that gets about 375hp and offer a NISMO variant that's turbo'ed and gets about 420hp with some suspension and aero tweaks.

I guarantee you if Nissan does what I say they will have a large buyer base.

2015nismo

If Nissan does that, I would probably trade in my 2015 Nismo for the 420 hp Nismo in a heartbeat.

littlejuanito

Then why not get rid of the GTR, bump the horsepower on the new Z and sell more units. Im sure the GTR is not cash cow for Nissan. (that honor goes to the Altima and the Sentra I think).

Leroydsouza

The gtr is a 4 seater sports car.
Even though i hate a 4 seater , its easily the more preferred practical sports car i believe.
The z on the other hand is not a practical car for most.
gTR is targetting the right market segment. The gtr sells more than the z. Or so i believe. The gtr is a legend, so is the z. They both need to stay in its own place.

I wish for the z to have more power but if z gets into gtr territory , it would affect nissan. The z should only stay in the same competition as the camaros and mustangs. Anything more would affect the gtr.
I prefer the z over a gtr, but i would buy a gtr just for what its capable of stock. Nissan might not be doing everything right with the z, but they are spot on with the gtr.
Just my opinion

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ped

Agreed, but the 2016 Camaro has 455 HP and 455 torque. So the Z needs a power increase. And the Camaro is losing 200 pounds, adding performance dual-mode exhaust, configurable middle dash display, drive modes controlling exhaust/steering/tranny, and magnetic ride shocks.

The Z needs to step it up to keep up.

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Magic Bus

Just to keep the information correct, the Z over the last couple of years is selling about 7,000 cars a year in the US, it's on track to do the same in 2015. The GTR on the other hand has just recently sold it's 10,000th car in the USA since it's introduction. The Z sells way more units than the GTR.

wanderer1234

Nissan's chief assistant did mention that they have to revolutionize the Z and not evolutionize it. He mentioned something about taking the Z back to its roots and said they need to make it more affordable.

I want the Z to grow in power and lose weight also but in my humble opinion I don't think it's going to happen. Realistically how many 3000 lb car with 350 HP are around thats about the same price as the Z? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's any. The Porsche is at 60k.