[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Duc_Z09 · 04-02-2015, 02:57 PM

What house only costs $100k and who's going to install a TT kit and oil cooler for free? Also, please don't tell me you're not going to at least upgrade the clutch.

I think someone needs to check his math.

6spd · 04-02-2015, 04:15 PM

My house cost $100,000 new construction, but I added a patio and crap so it was more... Install for free, good luck.

Dwight Frye · 04-02-2015, 05:12 PM

The current Z with 337 HP has plenty of get up and go. It would be retarded to go to a smaller displacement engine and add the complexity of twin turbos.
I don't know if it is possible with the basic engine block now to increase the bore & stroke (especially the stroke to give some more low end torque) but if they could get 375-380 HP out of a normally aspirated engine and increase the torque it would be a great sports car made even greater. A few minor tweaks to the interior like adding some Dynamat equivalent to deaden the road noise and restyle stupid gas and temp gauges and there would be no need for a large price increase. Oh, and stay away from DI systems too. They still need development.
The 20 something motorheads who think they need 500 HP can buy a Mustang, Camaro, 'Vette or Challenger and cry when it falls apart, gets recalled, or is in the shop with problems that shouldn't be happening from manufacturers that have been building cars for a century.

victort · 04-02-2015, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

A top Tier Mercedes 3.0 TT with an advanced AWD drive system and packed with lux standard features starts at $49k. If you think a base stripped down TT RWD Z is going to start at $49k cuz it's TT? You're delusional.

This isn't 2008, MOST the performance cars on the market are turbo or going turbo. That drives demand down making turbocharging more affordable. Worst case scenario... The Z will start at 39k as a TT. The smart year one price though would be mid 30's.

yea... maybe if it had the exact same engine and output of, if i recall correctly, 329 HP, which is less than the current NA V6 the Z has. If Nissan chooses to put output closer to 400, I don't think it's start anywhere in the 30s, in which case, a fully loaded Z can easily surpass the 50,000 mark.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2015, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

yea... maybe if it had the exact same engine and output of, if i recall correctly, 329 HP, which is less than the current NA V6 the Z has. If Nissan chooses to put output closer to 400, I don't think it's start anywhere in the 30s, in which case, a fully loaded Z can easily surpass the 50,000 mark.

A $10,000 tune and intake/manifold plenum upgrade? really?

victort · 04-02-2015, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

A $10,000 tune and intake/manifold plenum upgrade? really?

yes

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2015, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

yes

We'll have to see when the Z comes out. I'm not going to argue what hasn't happened, but i never been wrong about a Z prediction yet. Everything i ever said about the Z has come to fruition.

Majorwoody · 04-02-2015, 11:15 PM

I know the 1990 + Supra Turbos had MSRPs of $65,000 back then. i don't recall the price for the 300ZX TT but the NAs were priced at $40,000 MSRP which caused their downfall. Now fast forward 20 plus years later, Is $65K too much for a turbo'd Z?

Z_ealot · 04-03-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Majorwoody

I know the 1990 + Supra Turbos had MSRPs of $65,000 back then. i don't recall the price for the 300ZX TT but the NAs were priced at $40,000 MSRP which caused their downfall. Now fast forward 20 plus years later, Is $65K too much for a turbo'd Z?

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6spd · 04-03-2015, 12:45 PM

OMG when was the last time anyone saw a dealer sticker with $0.00 for ANY optional or dealer installed items? Lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-03-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorwoody

I know the 1990 + Supra Turbos had MSRPs of $65,000 back then. i don't recall the price for the 300ZX TT but the NAs were priced at $40,000 MSRP which caused their downfall. Now fast forward 20 plus years later, Is $65K too much for a turbo'd Z?

Put it like this bruh. The Z name isn't ready for pricing over $50k. People thought the Z was borderline expensive with a base price of $29,990 in 09'. When the Z hit $32,000 MSRP people went crazy and sales plummeted by 50%. The Z just wont appeal in the Porsche/Vette segment, even if it's just as good. That's like if next year, the genesis coupe is the same price as an infiniti or if the infiniti is the same price as the bimmer. They will lose sales. Even if they completely go upmarket by every sense of the word. It will alienate the current Z market and CONVERTING Porsche, BMW buyers will prove difficult in DOWNGRADING to the NISSAN name.
The Z needs to do 2 things

1. Attract younger buyers... Hence a lower base MSRP in the 2.0
2. Bring back its orignal buyers to the brand... Hence the need for 3.0TT

The 350z enjoyed an average of 22,000 car sales annually vs our current 5,000. Where did the other 17,000 Z enthusiasts go? Into mustangs and other comparably priced sports cars with more power. the Z has to be at V8 muscle car entry price to succeed. Look at the ford mustang GT/PP pricing ($35,620 for 2015) and I show you the future in Z35 BASE pricing ESTIMATE... End of story.

The Z is the muscle car alternative. A budget porsche... It just needs more power, 21st century features and standards with a true global design to compete. Going upscale will cause a second death for the Z. Unless the top range price is $60k with exaggerated performance specs and features. It wont be a start sale at$60k.

Z_ealot · 04-03-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

OMG when was the last time anyone saw a dealer sticker with $0.00 for ANY optional or dealer installed items? Lol

A little odd yes, but all the other window stickers i found were no where near the 65k that was claimed as the selling price of a supra turbo back in the 90's...most expensive i saw which had a leather package on it was i believe around 52k

Z_ealot · 04-03-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Put it like this bruh. The Z name isn't ready for pricing over $50k. People thought the Z was borderline expensive with a base price of $29,990 in 09'. When the Z hit $32,000 MSRP people went crazy and sales plummeted by 50%. The Z just wont appeal in the Porsche/Vette segment, even if it's just as good. That's like if next year, the genisis coupe is the same price as an infiniti or if the infiniti is the same price as the bimmer. They will lose sales. Even if they completely go upmarket by every sense of the word. It will alienate the current Z market and CONVERTING Porsche, BMW buyers will prove difficult in DOWNGRADING to the NISSAN name.
The Z needs to do 2 things

1. Attract younger buyers... Hence a lower base MSRP in the 2.0
2. Bring back its orignal buyers to the brand... Hence the need for 3.0TT

The 350z enjoyed an average of 22,000 car sales annually vs our current 5,000. Where did the other 17,000 Z enthusiasts go? Into mustangs and other comparably priced sports cars with more power. the Z has to be at V8 muscle car entry price to succeed. Look at the ford mustangs pricing and I show you the future in Z35 pricing... End of story.

The Z is the muscle car alternative. A budget porsche... It just needs more power, 21st century features and standards with a true global design to compete. Going upscale will cause a second death for the Z. Uness the top range price is $60k with exaggerated performance. It wont be a sart sale at$60k.

Just for comparison sake i found the window sticker for a 1990 300zx turbo

6spd · 04-03-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Put it like this bruh. The Z name isn't ready for pricing over $50k. People thought the Z was borderline expensive with a base price of $29,990 in 09'. When the Z hit $32,000 MSRP people went crazy and sales plummeted by 50%. The Z just wont appeal in the Porsche/Vette segment, even if it's just as good. That's like if next year, the genisis coupe is the same price as an infiniti or if the infiniti is the same price as the bimmer. They will lose sales. Even if they completely go upmarket by every sense of the word. It will alienate the current Z market and CONVERTING Porsche, BMW buyers will prove difficult in DOWNGRADING to the NISSAN name.
The Z needs to do 2 things

1. Attract younger buyers... Hence a lower base MSRP in the 2.0
2. Bring back its orignal buyers to the brand... Hence the need for 3.0TT

The 350z enjoyed an average of 22,000 car sales annually vs our current 5,000. Where did the other 17,000 Z enthusiasts go? Into mustangs and other comparably priced sports cars with more power. the Z has to be at V8 muscle car entry price to succeed. Look at the ford mustangs pricing and I show you the future in Z35 pricing... End of story.

The Z is the muscle car alternative. A budget porsche... It just needs more power, 21st century features and standards with a true global design to compete. Going upscale will cause a second death for the Z. Unless the top range price is $60k with exaggerated performance specs and features. It wont be a start sale at$60k.

Well said

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-03-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

Well said

I edited that post to include the mustang GT/PP price in order to get an general idea where the Z needs to fit. $35,620 is the GT/PP

04-02-2015, 02:57 PM	#151 (permalink)
Duc_Z09 Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Frederick MD Posts: 876 Drives: With the blinker on. Rep Power: 24	What house only costs $100k and who's going to install a TT kit and oil cooler for free? Also, please don't tell me you're not going to at least upgrade the clutch. I think someone needs to check his math. TerribleONE likes this. __________________ 2009 370z #206 (all mods are Home Depot) 2009 Ducati 848 (full Ohlins, Termignoni, etc) 2003 Grand Cherokee (long arms, big tires, 4.56, lockers)

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6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	My house cost $100,000 new construction, but I added a patio and crap so it was more... Install for free, good luck. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

04-02-2015, 05:12 PM	#153 (permalink)
Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 16	The current Z with 337 HP has plenty of get up and go. It would be retarded to go to a smaller displacement engine and add the complexity of twin turbos. I don't know if it is possible with the basic engine block now to increase the bore & stroke (especially the stroke to give some more low end torque) but if they could get 375-380 HP out of a normally aspirated engine and increase the torque it would be a great sports car made even greater. A few minor tweaks to the interior like adding some Dynamat equivalent to deaden the road noise and restyle stupid gas and temp gauges and there would be no need for a large price increase. Oh, and stay away from DI systems too. They still need development. The 20 something motorheads who think they need 500 HP can buy a Mustang, Camaro, 'Vette or Challenger and cry when it falls apart, gets recalled, or is in the shop with problems that shouldn't be happening from manufacturers that have been building cars for a century. MagmaRed370z likes this.

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Majorwoody Base Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Marysville, Washington Posts: 121 Drives: 2011 370Z Sport Rep Power: 15	I know the 1990 + Supra Turbos had MSRPs of $65,000 back then. i don't recall the price for the 300ZX TT but the NAs were priced at $40,000 MSRP which caused their downfall. Now fast forward 20 plus years later, Is $65K too much for a turbo'd Z? MagmaRed370z likes this. __________________ 2011 Silver Sport- 20/25 H&R spacers-Swift Spec R-Nismo S-tune body kit-K&N Typhoon-Berk HFC-Nismo S-tune exhaust-Pioneer HU-JL Audio Amp-Focals speakers-Diamond 10" sub-Passport 9500IX. Its a work in progress.

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6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	OMG when was the last time anyone saw a dealer sticker with $0.00 for ANY optional or dealer installed items? Lol TerribleONE likes this. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

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