[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

edk370 · 03-28-2015, 04:18 PM

I guesstimate that at least 1/3 of you guys will get this new Z35. A lot of you are acting like the sky is falling. But I think most of you will be surprised in a good way when it debuts. It sounds promising, in either 4-turbo and especially V6-twin-turbo trim.

400 horses, high 12s stock....I think it will be promising. I think it will be around $50Kish for the V6 TT version, which is reasonable.

Jordo! · 03-29-2015, 03:55 AM

I wouldn't expect the next Z to cost any more than the current Z. Nissan will want to actually sell a few...

Antistupid · 03-29-2015, 05:07 AM

I still say they can get more power from a NA VQ for future models, BUT I do think they need a turbo option. That option will insure the car competes for the next few years against comparable cars that are putting down some serious power.... and starting to track well.

Tadpole · 03-30-2015, 08:36 AM

Let's not hold our breath for the new Z. This could also be the end of an era with Piss poor sales. As all you said, the new Z will need a serious refresh and definitely a monster motor to spark sales if they intend to make it competitive. If they would drop a slightly detuned gtr twin with a good interior I think the Z would set the bar like it did in 09. We shall see.

MagmaRed370z · 03-30-2015, 09:38 AM

I truly hope is NOT an end of an era.

Edit: But, this will make our 370zs last longer as current body style.

Firebase99 · 03-30-2015, 04:51 PM

The economy is good enough, I dont see the Z platform taking a hiatus like it did between the 32 and 33 platforms. The have the tooling in place, the tech, to make a bad ***, bargain sports car again. It doesnt HAVE to beat the Cayman S, it just has to come close enough to make prospective Cayman S buyers..."is it worth it?".

Tadpole · 03-30-2015, 07:17 PM

When I spoke with mad mike about the new gen z he kinda didn't look very excited and did state the poor sales and such but never said yes or no. He is in Japan now so maybe just maybe he can leak a little info about it When he gets back. I will keep my ears open on the next few CZOT meets and keep you all posted.

RicerX · 03-31-2015, 09:19 AM

A Corvette Stingray is 500 hp and starts in the $50k range. If you push the Z into the $50k range without matching or exceeding the Corvette pound for pound, dollar for dollar, and hp for hp, it will last maybe as long as the Z32. If the Z ends up there, it's truly in the Corvette class, whether you want it to be or not - the cars are both two seat sports cars at that point, and you're not going to convert very many, if any, Corvette buyers. The demographic is too "BY MURICA FOR MURICA" to buy a Japanese two seat alternative.

On the other hand, if they do match or exceed it, then you provide a Nissan alternative to the GT-R for less money (500 hp range), and you'll find out how many people bought the GT-R because the Z didn't reach high enough for them. (I'll be willing to bet there are at least a few GT-R owners that would have a Z instead if it had 500 hp).

It's a dangerous place to be in and they have to be meticulously strategic with it.

The smartest thing you could possibly do with this car is find a way to make it a Camaro SS/Mustang GT/Challenger RT alternative (biggest chunk of the market) while retaining the Z formula. This means that 400-450hp at the same price point given all other things equal (weight from the Z34 for example) would be a larger hit than the Z34 on the market, especially if you gave it some sort of a backseat a la Z32.

They have to go where the market is for this car while still being unique.

That's why half of these reports are so freakin illogical. A Z with a turbo 4 by itself makes ZERO sense - why move the car to a smaller market (BRZ)? It only makes sense if it's one piece of the puzzle where a higher performance version is offered (turbo 6) because then the market coverage expands to a Camaro/Mustang alternative (multiple powertrains, lower cost of entry, high performance bargain). Those things only work if they meet competitors in the market. Sure a $25k turbo 4 Z makes a ton of sense only if the turbo 6 Z offered with it is in the $40k range (TOPS), not $60k.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-31-2015, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

A Corvette Stingray is 500 hp and starts in the $50k range. If you push the Z into the $50k range without matching or exceeding the Corvette pound for pound, dollar for dollar, and hp for hp, it will last maybe as long as the Z32. If the Z ends up there, it's truly in the Corvette class, whether you want it to be or not - the cars are both two seat sports cars at that point, and you're not going to convert very many, if any, Corvette buyers. The demographic is too "BY MURICA FOR MURICA" to buy a Japanese two seat alternative.

On the other hand, if they do match or exceed it, then you provide a Nissan alternative to the GT-R for less money (500 hp range), and you'll find out how many people bought the GT-R because the Z didn't reach high enough for them. (I'll be willing to bet there are at least a few GT-R owners that would have a Z instead if it had 500 hp).

It's a dangerous place to be in and they have to be meticulously strategic with it.

The smartest thing you could possibly do with this car is find a way to make it a Camaro SS/Mustang GT/Challenger RT alternative (biggest chunk of the market) while retaining the Z formula. This means that 400-450hp at the same price point given all other things equal (weight from the Z34 for example) would be a larger hit than the Z34 on the market, especially if you gave it some sort of a backseat a la Z32.

They have to go where the market is for this car while still being unique.

That's why half of these reports are so freakin illogical. A Z with a turbo 4 by itself makes ZERO sense - why move the car to a smaller market (BRZ)? It only makes sense if it's one piece of the puzzle where a higher performance version is offered (turbo 6) because then the market coverage expands to a Camaro/Mustang alternative (multiple powertrains, lower cost of entry, high performance bargain). Those things only work if they meet competitors in the market. Sure a $25k turbo 4 Z makes a ton of sense only if the turbo 6 Z offered with it is in the $40k range (TOPS), not $60k.

AMEN... I haven't disagreed with one thing you say pertaining to the Z. This car unfortunately is plagued with 50% of its buyers liking the styling but wanting it to be, everything the Z was designed NOT TO BE.
Because of this, Nissan Z has the worlds stupidest rumor mill in the whole car industry...It feeds on people that want anything from a more powerful miata, to a mustang competitor to a porsche killer. This one car can't serve every single market. I just stopped looking for Z news till i see a concept or pre-production model.

By offering two engines, I think the Z will appeal to a broader market from a price range perspective. Stealing some FRS, Miata buyers with a 2.0 and SOME muscle car buyers with a 3.0TT. Some of the tuner share will be stolen, if the Z is easy and cheap to mod & if it can fight a vette with a few grand in mods? I can imagine a 2900lb 2.0 turbo rated about 276-300hp and a 3100lb 3.0TT rated at 400-420hp.
A 2.0 would probably start at $27k and a 3.0 at $34k... If for some crazy reason there is a $60,000 Z? It will probably be a limited production, stroked out 3.4ltr, limited edition 480hp Nismo RS type car that is a track monster RWD version of a GT-R. Otherwise? It ain't happenin'!!

Nissans goal is probably to sell 20k/30k units annually in the U.S. and 60K worldwide. Im sure they're not expecting to hit the 80k mark annually like the camaro does. Making it broader in the price range should help that goal.

shika805 · 04-04-2015, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

A Corvette Stingray is 500 hp and starts in the $50k range. If you push the Z into the $50k range without matching or exceeding the Corvette pound for pound, dollar for dollar, and hp for hp, it will last maybe as long as the Z32. If the Z ends up there, it's truly in the Corvette class, whether you want it to be or not - the cars are both two seat sports cars at that point, and you're not going to convert very many, if any, Corvette buyers. The demographic is too "BY MURICA FOR MURICA" to buy a Japanese two seat alternative.

On the other hand, if they do match or exceed it, then you provide a Nissan alternative to the GT-R for less money (500 hp range), and you'll find out how many people bought the GT-R because the Z didn't reach high enough for them. (I'll be willing to bet there are at least a few GT-R owners that would have a Z instead if it had 500 hp).

It's a dangerous place to be in and they have to be meticulously strategic with it.

The smartest thing you could possibly do with this car is find a way to make it a Camaro SS/Mustang GT/Challenger RT alternative (biggest chunk of the market) while retaining the Z formula. This means that 400-450hp at the same price point given all other things equal (weight from the Z34 for example) would be a larger hit than the Z34 on the market, especially if you gave it some sort of a backseat a la Z32.

They have to go where the market is for this car while still being unique.

That's why half of these reports are so freakin illogical. A Z with a turbo 4 by itself makes ZERO sense - why move the car to a smaller market (BRZ)? It only makes sense if it's one piece of the puzzle where a higher performance version is offered (turbo 6) because then the market coverage expands to a Camaro/Mustang alternative (multiple powertrains, lower cost of entry, high performance bargain). Those things only work if they meet competitors in the market. Sure a $25k turbo 4 Z makes a ton of sense only if the turbo 6 Z offered with it is in the $40k range (TOPS), not $60k.

yes! i agree! hell no to the 4 banger Z! Like i said, just revive the 240sx for a few years, and come back with bad'er better Z later when there is a market for it. They just came out with its third face lift 15 nismo. Relax nissan...

Jordo! · 04-05-2015, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RicerX

A Corvette Stingray is 500 hp and starts in the $50k range. If you push the Z into the $50k range without matching or exceeding the Corvette pound for pound, dollar for dollar, and hp for hp, it will last maybe as long as the Z32. If the Z ends up there, it's truly in the Corvette class, whether you want it to be or not - the cars are both two seat sports cars at that point, and you're not going to convert very many, if any, Corvette buyers. The demographic is too "BY MURICA FOR MURICA" to buy a Japanese two seat alternative.

On the other hand, if they do match or exceed it, then you provide a Nissan alternative to the GT-R for less money (500 hp range), and you'll find out how many people bought the GT-R because the Z didn't reach high enough for them. (I'll be willing to bet there are at least a few GT-R owners that would have a Z instead if it had 500 hp).

It's a dangerous place to be in and they have to be meticulously strategic with it.

The smartest thing you could possibly do with this car is find a way to make it a Camaro SS/Mustang GT/Challenger RT alternative (biggest chunk of the market) while retaining the Z formula. This means that 400-450hp at the same price point given all other things equal (weight from the Z34 for example) would be a larger hit than the Z34 on the market, especially if you gave it some sort of a backseat a la Z32.

They have to go where the market is for this car while still being unique.

That's why half of these reports are so freakin illogical. A Z with a turbo 4 by itself makes ZERO sense - why move the car to a smaller market (BRZ)? It only makes sense if it's one piece of the puzzle where a higher performance version is offered (turbo 6) because then the market coverage expands to a Camaro/Mustang alternative (multiple powertrains, lower cost of entry, high performance bargain). Those things only work if they meet competitors in the market. Sure a $25k turbo 4 Z makes a ton of sense only if the turbo 6 Z offered with it is in the $40k range (TOPS), not $60k.

Very well said

As to the turbo 4, notwithstanding the lack of sales for the Gen coupe, the latest iteration of the Mustang has a turbo 4 as its midlevel option priced and making power greater than their 6 cyl (funnily enough, also a 3.7 ltr motor), but well below the V8.

I could see Nissan doing that: NA 6, turbo 4, turbo 6. That would be a nice range of options. If they did that, it could go $35K, $40K, $45K ballpark, and the hp could be, say, 350, 375, 400-425ish, respectively.

I think if they offered something like that -- kept the weight down, and the fit and finish looking sharp -- it would be a real hit with current Z fans and really give the pony car crowd something to seriously mull over.

I don't know what the hell Toyota is thinking regarding the FR-S. Its doomed to be an afterthought for someone considering a MX-5 if they don't give it a significant bump in power. A factory roots blower making another 60- 80 hp and tq right off idle would make that car PERFECT.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-05-2015, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Very well said

As to the turbo 4, notwithstanding the lack of sales for the Gen coupe, the latest iteration of the Mustang has a turbo 4 as its midlevel option priced and making power greater than their 6 cyl (funnily enough, also a 3.7 ltr motor), but well below the V8.

I could see Nissan doing that: NA 6, turbo 4, turbo 6. That would be a nice range of options. If they did that, it could go $35K, $40K, $45K ballpark, and the hp could be, say, 350, 375, 400-425ish, respectively.

I think if they offered something like that -- kept the weight down, and the fit and finish looking sharp -- it would be a real hit with current Z fans and really give the pony car crowd something to seriously mull over.

I don't know what the hell Toyota is thinking regarding the FR-S. Its doomed to be an afterthought for someone considering a MX-5 if they don't give it a significant bump in power. A factory roots blower making another 60- 80 hp and tq right off idle would make that car PERFECT.

Whose going to pay $35,000 for the heavily outdated VQ37? Not me... Time to move on

victort · 03-31-2015, 07:33 PM

i can easily see a TT Z retailing for over $50,000. Some people are delusional if you expect a TT Z to be in the mid 30,000 range.

MagmaRed370z · 04-01-2015, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by victort

i can easily see a TT Z retailing for over $50,000. Some people are delusional if you expect a TT Z to be in the mid 30,000 range.

45K will be a sweet price. (For the TT)

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-01-2015, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by victort

i can easily see a TT Z retailing for over $50,000. Some people are delusional if you expect a TT Z to be in the mid 30,000 range.

A top Tier Mercedes 3.0 TT with an advanced AWD drive system and packed with lux standard features starts at $49k. If you think a base stripped down TT RWD Z is going to start at $49k cuz it's TT? You're delusional.

This isn't 2008, MOST the performance cars on the market are turbo or going turbo. That drives demand down making turbocharging more affordable. Worst case scenario... The Z will start at 39k as a TT. The smart year one price though would be mid 30's.

03-28-2015, 04:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
edk370 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: So Cal Posts: 296 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 13	I guesstimate that at least 1/3 of you guys will get this new Z35. A lot of you are acting like the sky is falling. But I think most of you will be surprised in a good way when it debuts. It sounds promising, in either 4-turbo and especially V6-twin-turbo trim. 400 horses, high 12s stock....I think it will be promising. I think it will be around $50Kish for the V6 TT version, which is reasonable. b15, MagmaRed370z and NIN69 like this.

03-29-2015, 03:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 419	I wouldn't expect the next Z to cost any more than the current Z. Nissan will want to actually sell a few... Davey likes this. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

03-30-2015, 08:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
Tadpole A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lockhart, TX Posts: 1,082 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z A7 Rep Power: 18	Let's not hold our breath for the new Z. This could also be the end of an era with Piss poor sales. As all you said, the new Z will need a serious refresh and definitely a monster motor to spark sales if they intend to make it competitive. If they would drop a slightly detuned gtr twin with a good interior I think the Z would set the bar like it did in 09. We shall see. Zerocool and MagmaRed370z like this. __________________ Takeda TR3009P Short Ram Intakes, Custom Dual Exhaust, X-Piped with 18" Resonators & TopSpeed Axle Backs. EVO-R Led Third Foglight,

03-30-2015, 09:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
MagmaRed370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: USA Posts: 1,468 Drives: 14' 370z Sport Magma Rep Power: 13	I truly hope is NOT an end of an era. Edit: But, this will make our 370zs last longer as current body style. Last edited by MagmaRed370z; 03-30-2015 at 10:26 AM.

03-30-2015, 07:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tadpole A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lockhart, TX Posts: 1,082 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z A7 Rep Power: 18	When I spoke with mad mike about the new gen z he kinda didn't look very excited and did state the poor sales and such but never said yes or no. He is in Japan now so maybe just maybe he can leak a little info about it When he gets back. I will keep my ears open on the next few CZOT meets and keep you all posted. __________________ Takeda TR3009P Short Ram Intakes, Custom Dual Exhaust, X-Piped with 18" Resonators & TopSpeed Axle Backs. EVO-R Led Third Foglight,

03-29-2015, 05:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Antistupid Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: NOLA Posts: 51 Drives: 09' 370Z 6MT Rep Power: 12	I still say they can get more power from a NA VQ for future models, BUT I do think they need a turbo option. That option will insure the car competes for the next few years against comparable cars that are putting down some serious power.... and starting to track well.

03-30-2015, 04:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Firebase99 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: fl Posts: 1,372 Drives: 14 3.8 Gen Coupe GT Rep Power: 14034	The economy is good enough, I dont see the Z platform taking a hiatus like it did between the 32 and 33 platforms. The have the tooling in place, the tech, to make a bad ***, bargain sports car again. It doesnt HAVE to beat the Cayman S, it just has to come close enough to make prospective Cayman S buyers..."is it worth it?".

03-31-2015, 09:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
RicerX Track Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: TN Posts: 597 Drives: To the Pizza joint. Rep Power: 7721	A Corvette Stingray is 500 hp and starts in the $50k range. If you push the Z into the $50k range without matching or exceeding the Corvette pound for pound, dollar for dollar, and hp for hp, it will last maybe as long as the Z32. If the Z ends up there, it's truly in the Corvette class, whether you want it to be or not - the cars are both two seat sports cars at that point, and you're not going to convert very many, if any, Corvette buyers. The demographic is too "BY MURICA FOR MURICA" to buy a Japanese two seat alternative. On the other hand, if they do match or exceed it, then you provide a Nissan alternative to the GT-R for less money (500 hp range), and you'll find out how many people bought the GT-R because the Z didn't reach high enough for them. (I'll be willing to bet there are at least a few GT-R owners that would have a Z instead if it had 500 hp). It's a dangerous place to be in and they have to be meticulously strategic with it. The smartest thing you could possibly do with this car is find a way to make it a Camaro SS/Mustang GT/Challenger RT alternative (biggest chunk of the market) while retaining the Z formula. This means that 400-450hp at the same price point given all other things equal (weight from the Z34 for example) would be a larger hit than the Z34 on the market, especially if you gave it some sort of a backseat a la Z32. They have to go where the market is for this car while still being unique. That's why half of these reports are so freakin illogical. A Z with a turbo 4 by itself makes ZERO sense - why move the car to a smaller market (BRZ)? It only makes sense if it's one piece of the puzzle where a higher performance version is offered (turbo 6) because then the market coverage expands to a Camaro/Mustang alternative (multiple powertrains, lower cost of entry, high performance bargain). Those things only work if they meet competitors in the market. Sure a $25k turbo 4 Z makes a ton of sense only if the turbo 6 Z offered with it is in the $40k range (TOPS), not $60k. UNKNOWN_370, Streetlife, Jordo! and 4 others like this.

03-31-2015, 07:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
victort Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 192 Drives: MB Rep Power: 17	i can easily see a TT Z retailing for over $50,000. Some people are delusional if you expect a TT Z to be in the mid 30,000 range. b15 and MagmaRed370z like this.

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