[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

FPenvy · 02-12-2016, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

Imagine the shitshow if a manufacturer actually listened to the enthusiasts when designing and releasing a car...

sooooooooooooo they would actually make the car we want rather than the one we put up with?

Dirk McGurck · 02-12-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

sooooooooooooo they would actually make the car we want rather than the one we put up with?

Exactly. And none of us can really agree on what we want anyway.

FPenvy · 02-12-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirk McGurck

Exactly. And none of us can really agree on what we want anyway.

400HP boosted
3200lbs or less
DCT

sounds like a solid starting point for me lol

mishuko · 02-12-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

400HP boosted
3200lbs or less
DCT AND MANUAL

sounds like a solid starting point for me lol

fixed.

might as well add 'falcon wing doors' and a lazer pewpew cannon to that list too. at the very least lazer pewpew.

Magic Bus · 02-12-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

Why would Nissan put an Infinti Q60 Engine in a new Z, when they said they want to go more fuel efficient and with a car priced more fairly..

People are seriously just claiming there is going to be a new Z when they arent even paying attenton to what is actually coming from Nissan heads themselves. instead its all speculation from some articles based on assumptions and false rumors.

First of all, I don't think anyone is claiming that a new Z is being built. We are just giving our opinions, on what we hope Nissan does, if they build a new Z.

2nd, if you understand Nissan's manufacturing structure as well as most automobile manufacturer's. It's very logical and cost efficient from a business model to use the same engine/chassis as the Q's. Currently the Z, GTR, Infiniti Q50/60's engine & components with the V6 are manufactured in Japan and then all are assembled at the same plant.

Also, I posted this earlier. Nissan Juke sales average approx 3K units a month in the US. Scion FRS approx 800 units a month. Downsizing the Z to this category will not be possible due to lack of sales and the real possibility of the Z just robbing sales from the Juke. Now update the Z with the new 400 hp engine and you can possibly rob sales from Corvette (3k units per month), Cayman, Camaro & Mustang and still maintain Nissan's loyal, consistent Z base of 600 cars per month.

Once again, I'm not saying a new Z is forthcoming, but if Nissan builds one, the 400hp turbo engine sounds like the logical business choice to me.

kay.zee · 02-12-2016, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

First of all, I don't think anyone is claiming that a new Z is being built. We are just giving our opinions, on what we hope Nissan does, if they build a new Z.

2nd, if you understand Nissan's manufacturing structure as well as most automobile manufacturer's. It's very logical and cost efficient from a business model to use the same engine/chassis as the Q's. Currently the Z, GTR, Infiniti Q50/60's engine & components with the V6 are manufactured in Japan and then all are assembled at the same plant.

Also, I posted this earlier. Nissan Juke sales average approx 3K units a month in the US. Scion FRS approx 800 units a month. Downsizing the Z to this category will not be possible due to lack of sales and the real possibility of the Z just robbing sales from the Juke. Now update the Z with the new 400 hp engine and you can possibly rob sales from Corvette (3k units per month), Cayman, Camaro & Mustang and still maintain Nissan's loyal, consistent Z base of 600 cars per month.

Once again, I'm not saying a new Z is forthcoming, but if Nissan builds one, the 400hp turbo engine sounds like the logical business choice to me.

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

brucelidat · 02-12-2016, 05:46 PM

They said those things a long time ago and they've said a lot of different things over the last few years. If nothing else, this engine would be in the Nismo at least. They already have this engine so that makes more fiscal sense than designing a new smaller turbo engine just fore the Z. It is also a smaller displacement turbo v6 which make sit lighter and more fuel efficient than the current gen so that makes sense and is in line with what they have said regarding weight and mpg. I am very confident this engine will find its way into a Z of some trim level. It may not be the base standard engine, but it will be in a Z unless Nissan suddenly unveils a new mid-level sports car to slot between the Z and the GT-R (which will become hybrid and even more $$$).

brucelidat · 02-12-2016, 05:50 PM

As for price, it's not going to be 60k like this thread's title suggests. The Q60 coupe probably will be in the 50s so the Z can't be more than that. I would expect whatever trim level Z gets this engine to be in the 40s if it's to have decent NVH (hoping). Maybe a bit less if it's rough and minimal. If does get this engine and is in the 40s, they will need to have a less expensive lower trim with probably some kind of turbo'ed 4 or a detuned version o this that's in the 30s.

Tick64 · 02-12-2016, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

Jungle Z knows all.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-14-2016, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

There is no new Z confirmed..... Its all pipe dreams untill Nissan officially announces something which i highly doubt will happen.

A new Z is confirmed. What is NOT confirmed is if it will make it on its expected arrival of 2018. But we WILL see a new Z by 2020 the latest.

It's amazing... Do people ignore what's stated in the legit news?

falconfixer · 02-14-2016, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

A new Z is confirmed. What is NOT confirmed is if it will make it on its expected arrival of 2018. But we WILL see a new Z by 2020 the latest.

It's amazing... Do people ignore what's stated in the legit news?

I heard the new Z will have a 3 inch factory lift option with a front axle "purist" package that allows 3 inches of more wheel travel with the select of a switch. All powered by a VR30 clean diesel.

Magic Bus · 02-14-2016, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kay.zee

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

Not sure I can answer your question (underlined) in a manner that you'll understand but I'll do my best with some business logic, facts and statistics. A little long winded on my part but the answer should make some sense further below.

First the information you stated from interviews that came from Nissan heads and designers (bolded) is not totally accurate. They came from department heads, otherwise known as VP's. Definitely not high enough on the corporate structure to say yes or no to a new car, also keep in mind, designers are very low on the corporate ladder, and in no way can they create a new car. In fact, they are instructed by their superiors, what type of car to design. Remember that all new vehicles for Nissan are only authorized by Carlos Ghosn. Yes, he Is the head of Nissan and a very savvy head man at that.

Second, for Nissan to compete in the same segment as the FRS would be financial suicide. The FRS is currently selling only 800 cars a month in the US. The 8 year old Z is currently still selling 600 cars a month. So why would a smart man like Carlos Ghosn authorize a new car to compete in the FRS segment?

Third, the Z, Q50/60 and GTR are all manufactured in the same plant in Japan. The Z & Q's share basically the same engine, chassis & parts. Some of which the GTR uses. This requires less research and development, plant tooling and training of employees. All of which, costs a lot of money to do. Carlos Ghosn understands this and thus all of the 4 vehicle listed above have been profitable for Nissan.

Fourth, the C6 Corvette only sold 1,000 cars a month for years, prior to the arrival of the C7. Once the C7 arrived toward the end of 2013, Vette sales increased to 3,000 cars a month and remains there till this day. Chevrolet increased the power, handling and looks of the Vette, oh yeah, they increased the price by $5k on the base C7 too.

What many people don't understand is that there are quite a few Americans that can afford a $50-60k car. This demographic is basically age 50 and up, not usually on car forums and are more concerned with the quality/value of their purchase, rather than price. Status is also a silent concern for most of them.

If you were Carlos Ghosn and only given two choices, compete in the FRS category or compete in the much higher volume Corvette/BMW M4 (400+ hp) category. Which one would you choose?

Please keep in mind, I have not said Nissan will come out with a new Z but if I were the head of Nissan and wanted to keep the iconic Z alive, I definitely would not make it an FRS fighter.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-15-2016, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Magic Bus

Not sure I can answer your question (underlined) in a manner that you'll understand but I'll do my best with some business logic, facts and statistics. A little long winded on my part but the answer should make some sense further below.

First the information you stated from interviews that came from Nissan heads and designers (bolded) is not totally accurate. They came from department heads, otherwise known as VP's. Definitely not high enough on the corporate structure to say yes or no to a new car, also keep in mind, designers are very low on the corporate ladder, and in no way can they create a new car. In fact, they are instructed by their superiors, what type of car to design. Remember that all new vehicles for Nissan are only authorized by Carlos Ghosn. Yes, he Is the head of Nissan and a very savvy head man at that.

Second, for Nissan to compete in the same segment as the FRS would be financial suicide. The FRS is currently selling only 800 cars a month in the US. The 8 year old Z is currently still selling 600 cars a month. So why would a smart man like Carlos Ghosn authorize a new car to compete in the FRS segment?

Third, the Z, Q50/60 and GTR are all manufactured in the same plant in Japan. The Z & Q's share basically the same engine, chassis & parts. Some of which the GTR uses. This requires less research and development, plant tooling and training of employees. All of which, costs a lot of money to do. Carlos Ghosn understands this and thus all of the 4 vehicle listed above have been profitable for Nissan.

Fourth, the C6 Corvette only sold 1,000 cars a month for years, prior to the arrival of the C7. Once the C7 arrived toward the end of 2013, Vette sales increased to 3,000 cars a month and remains there till this day. Chevrolet increased the power, handling and looks of the Vette, oh yeah, they increased the price by $5k on the base C7 too.

What many people don't understand is that there are quite a few Americans that can afford a $50-60k car. This demographic is basically age 50 and up, not usually on car forums and are more concerned with the quality/value of their purchase, rather than price. Status is also a silent concern for most of them.

If you were Carlos Ghosn and only given two choices, compete in the FRS category or compete in the much higher volume Corvette/BMW M4 (400+ hp) category. Which one would you choose?

Please keep in mind, I have not said Nissan will come out with a new Z but if I were the head of Nissan and wanted to keep the iconic Z alive, I definitely would not make it an FRS fighter.

What the poster you're responding to is failing to see is that we have TURBO TECH OIN EVERYTHING now..

1. So making more power and getting better emissions is MUCH less of an issue

2. The 2009 Z came out in late 2008 when the economy crashed and ALL 2 seat sport coupes suffered.

3. Being that the economy is better. The Z has a better chance at success... The new chassis in the Grip Z is a case study platform for more versatility in the Z to increase sales.

4. Historically/ the Z/G has shared the same platform and engine. Though Nissan's grip Z is a new platform for the Z and possibly a range of NEW Nissan sport cars...
I expect the Z to STILL share identical engine choices in the Z. Common sense says it... Saves money, over re-engineering another new engine. Nissan isn't going to go that far in spenditure

Dirk McGurck · 02-15-2016, 10:06 AM

An increase of power could also bring more people over from the muscle car crowd, or at least make them consider options.

kay.zee · 02-15-2016, 01:14 PM

I really hate to sound so negative but the bottomline is a Nissan 370Z cannot compete in the USA. i would say its pretty much over. Anyways im not going to post in this thread anymore until Nissan officially releases a statement that they are even going to release a new Z. If they do which i highly highly doubt im thinking 2019,2020?

Nothing wrong with dreaming and hoping though so keep at it.

02-12-2016, 05:46 PM	#1447 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	They said those things a long time ago and they've said a lot of different things over the last few years. If nothing else, this engine would be in the Nismo at least. They already have this engine so that makes more fiscal sense than designing a new smaller turbo engine just fore the Z. It is also a smaller displacement turbo v6 which make sit lighter and more fuel efficient than the current gen so that makes sense and is in line with what they have said regarding weight and mpg. I am very confident this engine will find its way into a Z of some trim level. It may not be the base standard engine, but it will be in a Z unless Nissan suddenly unveils a new mid-level sports car to slot between the Z and the GT-R (which will become hybrid and even more $$$). __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

02-12-2016, 05:50 PM	#1448 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	As for price, it's not going to be 60k like this thread's title suggests. The Q60 coupe probably will be in the 50s so the Z can't be more than that. I would expect whatever trim level Z gets this engine to be in the 40s if it's to have decent NVH (hoping). Maybe a bit less if it's rough and minimal. If does get this engine and is in the 40s, they will need to have a less expensive lower trim with probably some kind of turbo'ed 4 or a detuned version o this that's in the 30s. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

02-15-2016, 10:06 AM	#1454 (permalink)
Dirk McGurck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Delaware Posts: 715 Drives: 09 MB 370Z Touring Rep Power: 21	An increase of power could also bring more people over from the muscle car crowd, or at least make them consider options. UNKNOWN_370 and Magic Bus like this. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring with Sport

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02-15-2016, 01:14 PM	#1455 (permalink)
kay.zee Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Walnut Creek,Ca Posts: 67 Drives: not a nissan Rep Power: 0	I really hate to sound so negative but the bottomline is a Nissan 370Z cannot compete in the USA. i would say its pretty much over. Anyways im not going to post in this thread anymore until Nissan officially releases a statement that they are even going to release a new Z. If they do which i highly highly doubt im thinking 2019,2020? Nothing wrong with dreaming and hoping though so keep at it.