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I said no matter how bad they are cuz they're bloated n slow. I don't buy the whole Prius tires make it handle gimmick on the frs. Sorry. I want a performance car!!! Not pseudo performance. Lfa is cancelled.

Agreed. The 86 will need to sell for 20K to compete with the far more stunning MX5-RF. Hell, there's even a sweet new Fiat Spider to compete with. It's done. They failed and they know it. The plans for a vert and a blown version were tanked.

The 86 will probably be resurrected as a proper tuner car/hot rod in another decade or so, but for now, its over.

The LFA is a fantastic car, but also stunning failure. It's way too much money for what you get, and so hardly anyone owns them.

What's the third one?

I think the Supra will be excellent -- a 6 cyl motor plus boost with nice lines on the body = excellent sportscar value for those who prefer Japanese style and reliability over American muscle.

I think, akin to the ancient, yet ongoing, Mustang v. Camaro battle, I anticipate a Supra v. Z war for the soul of drivers who like Japanese cars.

If I can possibly swing it, I am getting one of them by or before 2019, and can't wait to test drive both :yum:

Agreed.... the LFA was a total fail on so many levels. $375,000 for a $200,000 car. It wasnt about 0-60. If we were that type. None of us would spend the kind of money we spent to buy Z's. We'd be in mustangs. At least those of us who actually invested in Nissan and bought a brand new car.

I hope the supra is a competitive car and that a proper Z comes next generation. Nissan is fvckin around and the Japanese yen is having issues again. I can see a repeat of 1996-1998.

Total fail, y'all are ridiculous. The LFA is a work of art. It's exactly what Toyota wanted it to be.

I love when people who can't afford a super car talk **** about it.:rofl2:

Thought this thread was about the next gen Z.

Agreed. I can't believe how much ignorance is sometimes dished out on forums. Anyone that says the LFA was a failure knows absolutely nothing about the car and needs to read up on it or watch the documentary on the making of it. Toyota never meant for it to be a mass-produced supercar. It was meant to showcase what Toyota was capable of producing if money was not an issue. It was a hand-built work of art made in very limited numbers. It was an amazing achievement in every way. Nissan tried to do the same thing with the GTR but on a budget and on an assembly line. Both cars way exceeded expectations and objectives.

People mention how much it costs, but it cost half of what other cars with a full carbon monocoque cost.

Damn..... we rustled up the fanboy b1cth n3ss in some people. I know how it was built. I know what it is.

A Ferrari F12 is the same price. Cant afford a F12 yet but I can tell you right now which one is buy. I bought that $600 drive 4 superstars in a day package so I have some seat time in them and know what I like and don't like. Yeah at $375K. The LFA for me is a fail. But at least their are MK ultra fanboys in the world who succumb to corporate advertising. Otherwise corporations wouldn't make any money.

Up close and personal. I wasn't impressed with the LfA. Period. Deal with it.

You realize people can disagree with you without being fanboys, right?

By the way. When the LFA was initially announced as a concept. It was supposed to be a $150,000 GTR killer. The GTR at the time was $78,000 for the base and $85,000 for the premium.
Just like the GT-86. People were originally promised a 2700lb turbo ranging between 250 & 300hp with a base price of $22,000.

Both the LFA and FRS once production was being finalized. They didn't live up to either promise. Instead if admitting they couldn't build what they promised. They started huge advertising promos kicking automotive philosophy and Toyota going back to its roots.

The reason why the Z community was hype about the FRS was because we were told we were going to have a true Z competitor. A car that had less power. We guesstimated 280hp but was 600lbs lighter, so we could actually have a track competitor. They failed at that too.

Then they made documentaries and adds to derail the initial competitive claims. Nice save Toyota . This Supra is supposed to redeem themselves by FINALLY giving the people what they've been expecting for a looong time. Toyota spent 15 years being what Nissan is turning into.

So before you criticize our opinions. Know a Lil bit of the pre-history.

It's not that they disagree. It's the people can't afford supercars making comments crap and assuming we don't know enough about the LFA. THATS THE ISSUE.

You're doing the same thing - assuming we don't know the history, and assuming that we must be ill-informed if we have a different opinion.

Not true. Cuz the fact that you like an LFA doesn't bother me at all. I'm just saying that don't tell me I don't know my history to justify your opinion OVER MINE. All opinions are equal cuz they are just opinions. Period.

But one true fact is.... what TOYOTA offered wasn't what they delivered. N Nissan is going the same route.

If opinions are all equal, how come someone disagreeing with yours must be because of their "fanboy b1cth n3ss"?

I get it, we all like different cars. That's fine. And opinions on the internet are worth exactly what you paid for them. But it's possible to like certain cars and dislike certain cars without it being fanboy b1cth n3ss.

Like I said.... when you start saying things like "it's always the guys who can't afford supercars with the negative comments". Yeah.... I'm a call that fanboy.... if that didn't exist? My fanboy comment wouldn't exist. If I wasn't told to learn the LFA history when I do. That comment again.... would not exist. But as usual. People get hurt over my response over the initial instigating comment.

Touche.

So...manual or automatic?

Much respect to you.... :tiphat:

That third quote was me repeating what was said. Not my opinion.

lmao

I've never heard anything of the such. Please provide articles supporting your statements.

You can go yourself to the Toyobaru forums and did out the first ever speculation articles. I am in that forum too. You can join n find out for yourself. Probably here too in the other vehiclesvsection. I'm not gonna prove to you what a good majority of ENTHUSIASTS know.

Breakin by the manual, or hard breakin?

As a feat of engineering, it's impressive. However, for the cost it trails the much less expensive GT-R

Lexus LFA vs Nissan GT-R - FastestLaps.com

It's not a shop car or a project car. It's a factory built, road legal supercar. It sounds lovely and looks amazing, but that makes it a beautiful work of art and a staggeringly overpriced sportscar.

As to who can afford what: I can afford neither a GT-R nor a LFA.

Even so, I understand the concept of value for the money.

The conclusion of this article is interesting: 2012 Lexus LFA vs 2010 Nissan GT-R Comparison - Motor Trend

Seriously? A 375 grand noisemaker?

That's a noise maker for people who have palatial estates, private wine cellars and a yacht or two. I guess Toyota built it for people who want to take a noisy drive in the Hamptons :icon17:

When the GT-R is identified as the pragmatic, bang-for-the-buck, "everyman"'s car that really says something :wtf2:

Lol @ $375K noisemaker. :rofl2: I found an article where fools were paying $465,000 for that noisemaker. LMAO.

I just love how toyota only has some sort of a performance tuner car image with the fr-s because subaru used one of their ecu's instead of one of toyotas. the reason you havent seen a decent aftermarket folowing for any new toyota in decades? their ecus and body electronics are locked up tighter than a nun working in the chapel inside fort knox's clapper. who in their right mind is going to buy a 25k car to spend 10k on motec system so they can reliably boost their stage one turbo kit to 300hp?

Where the hell is the new Z nissan??????

I'm still waiting for the day Nissan teases us with the upcoming Z like they do with some of their cars....

This is painfully true... and something to think about if I am really thinking about the Supra...

I did a surprisingly good job on my old SC'd Celica with an Emanage II, but it took tons of data logging to dial out every fuel trim.

If only they opened up their is250/350 engines... then again it would destroy the is350 cause you could get the is300 (with the same 3.5 l engine) cheaper and do all the fun stuff with it.

Exactly..... At least with our cars. Turbo kits yes are expensive. But the tune is under $1,000 and our Ecu's are fine. I love our cars. I just wish we got updated substantially better. Like now it's our interiors lacking. Contrary to what some people say. I think the 2015 Nismo update was a homerun compared to the 2013 Z fascia update. That was a nightmare. But our interiors should have been updated across the board in 2014.

It's arguable the sales #'s aren't their for that many refreshes but.... We are a FM platform parts bin sports car. Nissan made miracles from the scrap heap and came up with software to make our cars distinguishable from its infiniti brother along with weight reduction, a shorter wheelbase and a more aggressive feeling transmission program. I don't think keeping the updates going when Nissan has more bread and butter vehicles than most imports is going to significantly hurt their pockets. Considering they have these cars and are very conservative on being technological leaders outside of EV technology. Why not pay attention to the sub halo car as well? Make it look your best as your sports car is representative of who you are as a company!!! If the Camaro and Corvette weren't doing so well in performance and quality reviews Those bland *** Malibu's wouldn't be selling so damn much. You know how many people get into a Chevy to one day hope to trade up to a camaro or vette? Whether they do it or not. That hope is there.... That hope sells a brand. If Nissan had a worthy Z? It would increase sales across the board.


As far as the Supra goes.... I think the ECU will probably be BMW sourced. That Supra looks very much like a hardtop Z4 with Japanese body language. I think the Supra will be exactly that. A hardtop Z4. That's not a bad thing.

I just think if Nissan goes back to 1989 thinking for the next gen? They can outdo most sports cars with that infiniti engine. But the 2017 Nissan Sentra Nismo has me wondering if they're taking sports cars seriously at all???

Nissan seems to be abandoning their core market for a new market altogether. I guess they feel we're a dying breed? They may be right? We may have to go to German cars or the Supra after this? Or go back to muscle. Which isn't a bad thing considering. But nothing drives like a Z. There's a handling prowess to the car that is completely unique to the motherboard world. The sounds May be gruff and course. But the feel of our Z's have an exotic flair.

WTF Nissan? You giving up on us!!

If Nissan takes any longer I may have to give up on them and these hopes and dreams of a new Z with the awesome engine they finally built. Don't get me wrong the 3.7 is nice but the new 3.0TT is amazing.

so let me ask- for the same money, what else are you going to buy?

It makes zero sense to me why Nissan wouldn't build another Z. It may not be a bespoke design, like many have hoped for, but with the Infinity version already on the market, why wouldn't Nissan maximize it's profits and platform sharing by releasing another Z?

I think there's a reason from Nissan for all the silence on the Z35- they want to maximize sales of the Z34, and squeeze every last drop of profit out of it. If I'm not mistaken, in comparison to the Z33, the Z34 didn't sell all too well. If a Z35 was announced today, many people wouldn't even consider the Z34. For 2017, very little people would pay dealer pricing if they knew for 2018 there's a completely new model coming out. The smart thing to do would be to wait until the Z35 comes out and then pick up a Z34 at a discounted price. Maybe Nissan is trying to avoid that.

Regardless, Nissan has an opportunity to milk the G/Q (whatever you want to call it now) platform by fiddling with it and releasing a Z... unless... the Z34 really wasn't worth the money they made on it. In that case, you should all blame your friends, family and coworkers for not buying one. They're the reason Nissan is killing it.

It was a sales disaster. If Nissan really wanted to sell the hell out of a Z35, I would think they would kill the Z34 for a couple years, so there's pent-up demand when the Z35 drops. The first few years of the Z33 benefited from the hiatus in the late 90's/early 2000s.

And that's my thoughts exactly. However, because the Infiniti version is out already, I kind of doubt Nissan will wait a few years. By the time it would come out, the existing Infiniti platform will be old.

I do remember when the Z33 first came out, my god, for the first 2 years, people went bananas for them. It was THE car to have. I don't think Nissan will be able to pull numbers like that again, but, there's no reason they can't sell an additional 10,000 Z35s in the first year or two.

Additional? If it's anything like the Z34, they'll be happy to sell 10k units total. :rofl2:

Honestly, it might make sense to kill the Z for a couple years and release it at the same time as the mid-cycle refresh on the Infiniti.

:rofl2:

Well... additional, in the sense that its 10k more of the Infiniti platform they're moving out the door.

I think part of the Z34's demise was the fact that it didn't differ enough from the Z33. There's no doubt the Z35 would have the turbo engine... I could see that causing plenty of people to look at the car again. I know I would :D

Nissan at one point made the statement that the Z platform will be separated from the Q60 so... if the Z is intended to be built on a new platform? It would still be possible we'd get a short hiatus. But I think it will be here as a 2019 or 2020 model.

Back in 2009, Z34 was a great buy for the money. It offered Porsche Cayman S kind of performance numbers for less than half of the price, outran the Mustang GT (the one with the 4.6L V8) from 0 to 60 and won a C&D comparison beating the Mazda RX-8 R3 and BMW 135i. It was the recession that killed the sales. By the time the economy got better in 2012, it was already in the 4th MY and new competitors showed up and the rest is history.

Not to mention that the competition has gotten much better. 332-350 hp isn't as impressive now as it was in 2008.

Everyone wants more power but at the end of the day can they use it all to the full potential?

Eh 30k for 332hp can't complain. Can't find a better bargain dollar for hp around... well I guess the Mustang gt but everything else with higher numbers also are bigger tag and also things I don't want.

Driving then is350 yesterday and it's a... boring drive lol