In all seriousness I wish they'd just put the VK56VD in the Z and be like "What gas mileage?"

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What are the odds nissan would make the new Z outperform the R35?

Steve Jobs said something like, "if the iPhone cannibalizes other Apple products like the iPod or Mac...then let it be....You must constantly reinvent yourself if you are evolve and stay ahead of the game."

sounds like frs/brz owners' excuses they use when they are compared to the Z or any other faster cars in a straight line :stirthepot:

key words highlighted right there for ya :stirthepot:

pretty much. but in the case of 5.0 vs Z, the 5.0 is objectively faster in pretty much every category

I've driven the new Mustang plenty of times. The 5.0 and the ecoboost. While they may look great on paper, the driving experience is not the same as the Z. Its big and you feel it. Yes it can finally handle and is MUCH better than the last gen, but in my opinion, it does not feel as graceful around a turn as a Z, again because you can really feel the weight.

Other than price i don't know why people always feel compelled to compare the Z to the Mustang. They're different cars with different markets. I guess the beauty of the Z is it really has no direct competitor. No its not the fastest, no its not the best handler, but when looking at it as a package, It does everything well but nothing great. Most other cars in its price range excel in one area and really lack at others. That is ultimately what drove me to buy a Z.

@ 60k I'd look at it.

No way I'd fork over that much for the Z. 60K that's starting vette level or m4, even some other euro sports car with more power... Nissan would have to be smoking a good amount of herb to price it that much.

all speculation of course though

And it's true.

Which I already stated in my post.

I'm sending your pot back to the kitchen. It's not quite ready to stir yet.

I dont think so. If its all around a step up from a Z34, why not ask it? The GTR is only going to go upmarket leaving a nice gap for the Z.

The same can be said about the base vette. Why spend 60k on a Chevy, thats Porsche/Bmw money and much nicer cars (except power) all around in my opinion.

yea but why spend that much money on a bmw when all it's going to do is break down and throw more lights up on your dashboard then a decorated house on christmas.

i'd much rather buy the vette

I agree, those BMW(s) are a pain with dash lights, CEL, and when they break down, boy is a pain to fix them up! (Patience wise and moneywise)

The Z32 TT was a $60K car in 1990 dollars. It jumped 2 steps (in terms of price, image, performance) above the Z31. I think the Z32 TT merited the price jump. It was a competitor to the C4 Vette back then. The Z32, Vette, and even the M3 for that generation were all nearly the same price.

The Z33 was a regression because the tail end of the Z32's run showed dwindling sales numbers (the Japanese yen was too strong relative to the dollar; sports cars were out of favor; SUVs were the rage in the mid to late 90s).

The Z34 is an even bigger regression in regards to price. It isn't much more costly than a Z33. The Z34 is a $23,000 car in 2009 dollars when going backwards to 1990. This is what Mustangs and Camaro V8s cost brand new in the early 90s.

Now the Z35 wants to go upmarket a la the Z32. I believe the Z35 will share lots of things the Infiniti Q70 (the coupe). The 2.0 turbo and 3.0 Mercedes V6 turbo are what's going to be offered I think. It'll be a tunable car that can do 500+ hp without aftermarket turbo kits. I think people will be pleased with it...and hence it merits a $60K price.

The TT Z32 was running 911 Turbos back in the day!! Like you said, in '90's prices the car was $60K.....and it died because EXACTLY that reason. Nissan would be blind to their own history to that again. The overwhelming majority of prospective Z buyers will NOT spend 60 large on a "Nissan" (Yes, yes, GTR-way different market and the R's have had a long pedigree of being Supercars). I think itll share alot with the Q's and for that reason theyll be able to keep the cost down and still get 400+HP. Starting at $33k to a maxed platform at maybe $51K.