Your rebuttals remind me of Donald Trump.

"You can't compare V8s to V6s... Because V8s are YUGE."

Should we build a wall around this thread to keep the domestic cars out?

Nobody has to get nothing now cuz my brother already has a luxury car that performs well and if he goes into another car. He can easily spend a Lil more cash and upgrade.

You are fairly lost in the concept Ricer is bringing up. He's using the evolution of muscle as an example of how technology can change suddenly....

But you're too agenda driven and argumentative to even grasp a well thought out analysis. You're just going in circles with what is purely a poorly thought out speculation.

Now it may all be speculation from every one of us, but some of us have a grasp on what's going on in the car world and analyzing the rumor mill.... And others are creating their own scenarios purely from the rumor mill and their own personal expectations whether positive or negative.

Tensile steel and carbon fiber has gotten cheaper. Body creasing is 4X more cost effective than a decade ago. This is why cars are getting so many dramatic lines.

The GTR is expected to have well over 700HP next generation. So how would the next gen Z be close to GTR power WITH ONLY 450HP???

Your analysis is weak because you're factoring has little or no basis on fiscal achievement or modern competitive spirit.

The Alfa 4c has a full carbon fiber monocoque, dual clutch transmission 240HP and 2400lbs for $60,000. It's built like a budget Ferrari. It's 2300lbs in Europe and has a very expensive mid engine layout. It accelerates in the mid 12's and gets to 60 in the low 4's. So many different vehicles doing amazing things that in reality a 3,000lb 400HP car doesn't seem so radical. It actually seems like the next step. Like when a stand v8 had 305HP and the Z came 350lbs lighter and had 27 more HP. It's amazing how some of y'all think.
The camaro is subjugated to the same safety constraints as the Z and they lost a 300lb average. I don't get what's the miraculous ness of next gen weight loss. But hey.... I do see how some people believe it won't be cost effective for Nissan. But neither is it a marvel of instability. So most of us are divided with weight. But why do we have to shoot each other down based on not seeing eye to eye? That said....

We're not dreaming, we're speculating and you're just contradicting cuz you wanna be a douche. Not because you're bringing anything to the table in terms of information. Your speculations are based on nonsense and you ending every low grade comment with "lol". While we read your posts we're all going "smh".

At the end of the day.... half of us can go Porsche, Audi, BMW BUT We want a CREDIBLE tuner car because we do it for the culture...

And we speculate as such cuz we believe Nissan wants to feed the enthusiasts market. If you don't like Ricer or any of us having high expectations? You have the right to voice an opinion. But watch how you come at people. Cuz this is a opinion conversation. Not your stage to try to shut people down... Especially when your arguments come with skewed factoids that are missing parts like the GTR argument... Anyway dude. Grow up.

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To piggyback off of what unknown said, you keep bringing up the GTR and a 400hp Z possibly cannibalizing the GTR. That's probably true right now, but the next gen GTR is supposed to be a whole new crazy monster. It will undoubtedly be AWD, a hybrid with almost instant torque, and is supposedly going to have over 700hp. A rwd 400hp Z won't be anywhere near the same market as the new GTR. Through all of this speculation, I can almost assure you that the next GTR is going to be a pretty large leap over the current gen, therefore giving the Z more play room as far as power goes.

The next Z better not have active noise canceling non sense like the 2016+ models.

I would like to see:
1. Recaro seats offered like in the nismo
2. Blacked out headlights (please Nissan keep this you are even doing it in the altimas)
3. Short tail end (no big butt like domestic cars)
4. A few "different" color choices other than 9 silver options haha (oh Nissan you and silver paint)
5. A nice factory exhaust note (350z sounded better than my 2013 Nismo)
6. Non notchy transmission (try a different fluid Nissan it does wonders!!)
7. Lose the clunky door handles! Go more GTR door handle style! (I'm sick of having to paint those dang things and still look ugly)
8. Keep the total weight under 3200 pounds.

Thank you Nissan, now release the concept and specs so we can all get along on here :)

I love a phat Azz though! Our Z34's have a beautiful Azz!!!

I'm not the one comparing V8's to V6's, you are. I'm just pointing out the obvious my friend. You're dreaming way too big, wanting 450+ hp on a 45k Nissan Z. I understand all the cars that were pointed out.

If you can show me a 450+ hp 45k car that weighs 2800-3000 lb I'll beg to differ. Until then stop dreaming about cheap fast cars, it's annoying. Either buy it or don't buy it. Stop complaining about what's being offered. Besides, Nissan doesn't care what you want. You're a just one person. If you're not gonna buy it new it's not gonna affect them.

Oh and to the people out there saying technology evolve....it does but it ain't gonna happen soon and there ain't no 700 hp new GTR yet. When it happens let me know. Y'all people are funny, wanting such a powerful car to be cheap.

Lets all go make more money guys so we can buy a lightweight car with 450+ plus HP. Lol.

Some people can't handle the truth. The truth sucks, I know. We like to dream but at one point we have to wake up.

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The honest truth is that we'll be lucky if they don't kill the Z outright. It was a sales disaster. Ghosn runs his company by the numbers, and if the Z is only selling 5k a year we won't have a Z for long. It's a hard sell for Nissan to spend a lot of money retooling for such a low volume seller.

I should have phrased this differently. I meant elongated rear. I.e. 2005 corvette vs 2015 corvette tail.

Wide is good, long like a nascar from the side is no bueno.

It's one thing I love about the 370z over the 350z is the shorter tail.

And some people can't fvcking read.

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I feel like they have a couple HUGE reason to start from scratch on the Z.

1. The Z is a heritage car. It's name has resonated for 47 years and most generations have had an impact in the automotive world.

2. Before the HONORABLE MR. K. passed away. The father to our cars. The man who invented Z philosophy. He test rode/drove the 370z and was very very disappointed. He thought the Z34 evolution was shameful at best. He thought the car was heavy and drove like a truck.

The Japanese take honor seriously. I think the next Z for right now is not just about "the numbers" or about Carlos Ghosen. It's about Nissan not destroying it's own heritage and disrespecting the man's legacy that put Datsun-Nissan's name on the world map? If there was no Z? Nissan wouldn't have grown in the 70's to the heights that they did.

I believe this one is for Mr. K. If this gen doesn't pan out? Then next generation I foresee a cancellation or no export. The corvette has only sold 12,000 units last year. And plans keep going forward. So I think a quality Z can sell close to that number. Especially abroad where it's name gets more respect.

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US model year is a 2017.

Don't get tied up on stupid little details like that. Especially with it being a Japanese car and they use a different model year system than we do :tiphat:

if they took honor seriously, they would have fixed the csc issue, but yet they haven't touched it. honor is long gone, no more

You mean you can't fathom Nissan doing exactly what Porsche did? Same 0-60s and 1/4 but the Cayman is overall a better track car at 75% of the price.
718 Cayman S PDK starting 69.5K
991.2 Carerra PDK starting 92.6K

And that's for EXACT SAME performance! A more accurate comparison would be below. Which means the Cayman is 44% the price of the 911 Turbo (same speed as a GTR), for a competitive sports car.
718 Cayman S PDK starting 69.5K
991.2 Carerra Turbo PDK starting 159.2K


Now lets see how that translates to Nissan.
GTR starts at 109k, so 44% of that is starting at $48k for a Z that would be a step up from where it is now, a competitive sports car, and still leaves market for the exclusive GTR.

In addition, this would make the Z competitive with the Cayman, F Type, and BMW Z.


Hey now.. :( I'll tune my Porsche lol. But you've been spot on with your comments man. As stated above, making the Z faster and lighter will also make it more competitive with the 'luxury sports'.

Little confused about "same performance" for Cayman S and a new 991 Turbo. Those 911's are a mere tick behind Veyron #'s dude. Defies physics fast.

You and your automatics sir.................:shakes head:


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Lol. Man. I've caused a lot of grief and heartaches from being honest and real. Let's go back to the world where we wish Nissan would do X Y Z.

Nissan should out-source the C6 Z06 Corvette and call it a Z35 for some people in here. They would like that lol.

Keep the S2K and sell the Nismo for a BRZ or keep the Nismo and sell the S2k for the BRZ?

Or keep both and forget about the BRZ?

... in its current, Mostly Unchanged Since 2009 Form, sure.

A clever revamp that ticks the boxes for what the current market wants at the right price? Why not? That takes a bit of investment, but executed properly, it'll recup itself.

Whether Nissan's capable of that ... is another discussion.

Most cars are international collaborations nowadays, from design teams to parts manufacture to final assembly.

Regional cultural traits are (nearly) irrelevant. Today's manufacturers play globally, and the thing that motivates is profitability.

CSC warranty issues are separate from designing a sports car but I understand your logic behind what you're saying.

Yeah I know the early 2017s wont be any different. I should have clarified that its this current generation of Z's is mostly what I was referring to as opposed to a specific year. The new Z, when it finally comes out, will be the first year of the new generation and I have a feeling I wont be at all disappointed that I didn't wait for the new one to come out.

Check out my new thread in the other vehicles section. I think I found a clue to the Z being built on a new chassis. If Nissan makes a modular chassis? There goes everyone's negative theory about why is Nissan going to make an Lol new chassis for a low selling car???

Your possible answer is, the modular chassis will save Nissan money by building a family of cars off of one chassis??? No need for a FWD chassis like the D platform and then the RWD chassis on the FM platform. They will all be done on the same platform.

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...ml#post3522215

New Toyota Supra may get a twin-turbo Lexus V6 - Autoblog

Lol if these rumors are true Nissan better step it up, cause we all know this next Supra isn't going to be cheap

Supra will match better against the GT-R most likely. And people have been talking about it coming back since 1 hour after the last one left the production line.

I was following the FT1 forums for a while and last I read Toyota released dollar amount figures being in the mid 50ks. If Toyota use their V6TT and have around 460-475hp and the new Z gets low 400s I would say it would be like the 90s 300zx vs Supra TT days. The Z will be slightly cheaper but all in all will be direct competition. The GTR at this point will be wayyy ahead of where the Supra will be positioned.

There was talk of the Supra being a hybrid at one point, electric motors for the front wheels and gas/electric for the back. Then again, that's been said about the GTR, too. I'll believe it when me **** turns pink.

I do know that I will never want a hybrid sportscar. If I'm going to buy an impractical car, I want it to run on the tears of baby seals. Front-mid engine, RWD, V6TT, 6/7speed manual, max 3200lbs, same outer dimensions/wheelbase, nicer interior and I'll be a happy man.

I can't help but to wonder how much the internals will handle with more boost with this new motor... I wouldn't think squeezing another 100hp out of it would be an issue with a chip, downpipes, intake, and exhaust..

I agree, the 350z had 240ish wheel hp and could handle around 400 wheel hp comfortably so I would assume Nissan would at least makean already forced induced motor with fairly strong internals.

I was thinking how it's funny a lot of doubters saying a 3000-3200 pound 400hp Z couldn't exist for 36-45k. Who would have thought you could ever buy a 435hp car for 29k brand new. (Mustang GT, yes I saw on autotrader for this price brand new)

As for the weight, it's already an impractical car with a 2 seater. The FRS with a backseat weighs around 2700 pounds. We have heard the Z possibly getting smaller so theoretically Nissan could make a 3000+ or- pound car.

Don't we already have forged iternals? And our motors can already handle 500/600 without much done internally?

$60K for next new Z35?
 

We have a forged crank. Everything else is weak sauce.

Forged internals on the 370? Ummm definitely not...

Plus the biggest thing on a high compression engine going with an aftermarket turbo setup is a great tune. Internals upgraded would be a piece of mind for sure but a tune that doesn't blow the motor up would be a good investment.

Years ago putting forced induction on a high compression motor wasn't the most wise decision but they definitely came a long way with tuning!

Amen to that brotha, well said.. It's funny because 8.5 comp used to be the magical number when going fi.. How times have changed, lol...

The only issue with tuning a high compression motor is that you can quickly run out of room unless you upgrade turbos. That's the reason a large number of the turbo Minis run meth. There is some power to be had there but nothing insane with tune and standard bolt ons alone.

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"same performance" was referring to 981 cayman s vs 991.2 carerra base. :tiphat:

:eek: That Supra is AWESOME! Is that what they'll really look like?

That would be great if Toyota sticks close to the FT1 concept but the new supra and new Z are both Top Secret except some little bits and pieces.

Things for sure about the new Supra is it will share a carbon chassis with the BMW Z5 collaboration.
It will most likely use a Lexus V6TT that will be found in the IS-F that is around 465-475hp.
I have heard reports it will look nothing like the FT1 concept.

The other reason is they don't want to kill sales of the existing model earlier than necessary.