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Originally Posted by nis350 (Post 4052346)

I really wanted to like the new Z, but I just couldn't. The front is so bland, and for the 370z owners, the interior is so similar. The door panels and seats are almost the same.

I think the clutch hydraulic is the same problematic setup from the 370z as well. And its performance is also disappointing.

I like a lot about the car, but you’re right about the interior. Many of the parts are the same. Inside the rear hatch is identical. The one thing that blows my minds is the cargo cover pricing. They took an overpriced cargo cover and now it’s going for over $1,000. I paid $75 from a guy on here years ago.
I’ve had my 370 for so long that I can’t bring myself to replace it.
Had it dynoed awhile back and hit almost 330 with 162,000 miles.
Hard to give that up for that kind of money.

It seems that the new Z may not hold up its value, given what it has to offer versus its competitors and also when compared to the 370Z. If one is considering buying one, it may be worth waiting to see if prices continue to fall. It seems to be a faster 370Z with a different look and with the complexities of a TT engine that will not last as long as the 370Z NA engine. At least you get more gauges and more modern technology, if that's your thing.

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Originally Posted by chowtoo (Post 4052495)

It seems that the new Z may not hold up its value,

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given what it has to offer versus its competitors and also when compared to the 370Z.

I feel like evaluated in isolation, as a 6 cylinder RWD Japanese made sports coupe, the new Z still has a lot going for it. A rich Z heritage, and the promise of decent Japanese build quality and reliability. And great road presence, they look fantastic on the road and turn heads like a far more expensive exotic.

But as you say, there are competitors (like the Supra) that offer more performance for similar money, or for those not chasing the best performance, older cars like the 370Z which offer the same road presence and handling ability, just with less power.

As a 370Z owner, I struggle to make a convincing case to myself to upgrade to the new Z, even though I love the styling, the power figures, the slightly updated interior, and the promise of a new car warranty (which goes some way to addressing any concerns I have over the more complex TT engine). The reality is I already own 95% of the same car, just with a less powerful (but I would argue better sounding) engine.

The main stumbling block is price. If the new Z cost about what I paid for my 370Z (Sport Touring grade) brand new in 2020, i.e. about AU$50K (US$34K), I'd probably have traded in and be driving a new Z right now.

But it doesn't, despite being 95% the same car the new Z (Performance, only grade we get) costs AU$82K (US$55K) in Australia, which is a whopping 64% price increase. Yet the new Z isn't 64% faster or better looking. It's a real shame it costs so much now, and I think that's what is holding it back.

When I think about the cost of moving into a new Z, I realise I could spend a fraction of that on heaps of high quality mods for my 370Z AND still have enough left over for a couple of nice overseas holidays! That's some perspective.

At the end of the day, the new Z is not worth the price they are asking for it.

We were considering the Inifiniti Q60 last year, but decided against it due to some serious issues with the motor... Apparently, there are issues with the turbines and engine block that require replacing the short block or the entire motor. I oon't know if Nissan has mitigated those issues.

Back to the Z, I just can't get over how un-exciting/boring it looks.

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Originally Posted by Red-Hat (Post 4052507)

Is this partly the fault, at least in the USA, of dealers massively marking them up to absurd levels? Charging $20K or more over MSRP in the first year of release was always going to result in those early adopters getting burned on resale. I feel like those buying a little later at MSRP will get burned far less, just receiving more normal levels of depreciation.

One benefit to being here in Australia is, despite usually paying more than the USA for performance vehicles (especially Euro and USA ones), the dealers here don't (can't by law?) add ridiculous 'market adjustment' markups on. So the vehicles are always sold around MSRP. That helps somewhat for buyers confidence come resale time.

I feel like evaluated in isolation, as a 6 cylinder RWD Japanese made sports coupe, the new Z still has a lot going for it. A rich Z heritage, and the promise of decent Japanese build quality and reliability. And great road presence, they look fantastic on the road and turn heads like a far more expensive exotic.

But as you say, there are competitors (like the Supra) that offer more performance for similar money, or for those not chasing the best performance, older cars like the 370Z which offer the same road presence and handling ability, just with less power.

As a 370Z owner, I struggle to make a convincing case to myself to upgrade to the new Z, even though I love the styling, the power figures, the slightly updated interior, and the promise of a new car warranty (which goes some way to addressing any concerns I have over the more complex TT engine). The reality is I already own 95% of the same car, just with a less powerful (but I would argue better sounding) engine.

The main stumbling block is price. If the new Z cost about what I paid for my 370Z (Sport Touring grade) brand new in 2020, i.e. about AU$50K (US$34K), I'd probably have traded in and be driving a new Z right now.

But it doesn't, despite being 95% the same car the new Z (Performance, only grade we get) costs AU$82K (US$55K) in Australia, which is a whopping 64% price increase. Yet the new Z isn't 64% faster or better looking. It's a real shame it costs so much now, and I think that's what is holding it back.

When I think about the cost of moving into a new Z, I realise I could spend a fraction of that on heaps of high quality mods for my 370Z AND still have enough left over for a couple of nice overseas holidays! That's some perspective.

You summarized it very well. I'll add my 2 cents:

In Europe these cars are priced more than elsewhere, simply because they're pretty rare and the prices are higher here. A used maintained Z is around 30k USD, even when 5-6 years old and with 30-40k miles on the clock.
If I look at the one that I've got, that has been maintained immaculately and has upgrades to all parts, the only value that the new Z brings is power and updated looks. There is literally nothing else that would up the value of it. The price for the new Z in Europe is around 75k USD or more - yes, literally that much. It makes zero sense to go that route, because for that money, you're looking at pristine BMW M4. which is a much better car.
Nissan has fckd up with strategy for placing the new Z on the market.

I am most amused by "rumors" of a new Silvia S16 to compete with the GR86 (which itself is going away soon), based solely on a Japanese Nissan exec making some fanciful comments about how he liked the idea.

Buddy, the GTR is dead after it got more expensive and less capable relevant to the competition. No replacement is planned bc Nissan can't afford to blow money on a halo car

The RZ34 similarly is a facelifted Z34 because Nissan does not have the capacity to design a new Z platform

There is no f-king way in hell it can develop a new sports car platform.

Best case scenario, go partner with Toyota and see if they'll let you slap a Pulsar badge on the new Celica GT4

I really hated Nissan for designing the Z with such an ugly front end, which is definitely a deal breaker.

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Originally Posted by nis350 (Post 4052967)

I really hated Nissan for designing the Z with such an ugly front end, which is definitely a deal breaker.

The sport/performance front has grown on me, but it’s still not great. The nismo bumper is such a huge improvement over the sport/perf

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Still $65k Canadian. (oh and thats before taxes) That's $47K USD for those math deprived. LOL.

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Originally Posted by Averying (Post 4052968)

The sport/performance front has grown on me, but it’s still not great. The nismo bumper is such a huge improvement over the sport/perf

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Nismo front is much better than just a rectangular hole for sure.