Ive owned both, and the mustang is completely on par in handling. Especially the track pack, is it a different feel, yes, becuase its a different car... But if feels is all your after then a brz/frs/miata/s2k all feel better than the Z. Since we arent talking about "stop light racing". All those cars handle and feel equal and better than the Z. Hell even an rx8 is a track star.... Track times vs drag times confirm all this. The Z is supoosed to be a balance of power and finesse and its getting left behind in both segments for equal to or less money. If feel is all your after, nissan with its despicable turbo 4 miata competitor suggestion is heading in the right direction for you

For the rest of us, we want more power, less weight, and a turbo 6.

Well... many of us want a fast car AND good feel AND good handling, hence the Z. Sure there are other cars out there that have all of these, but the Z does these pretty well and you can score one relatively cheap in the used market. That's what stands out about the Z, to me.

- Mustang is fast and handles well (though I don't agree its on par with Z, regular mustang though no track package) but doesn't feel as agile.
- BRZ/Miata feel great in handling but they don't feel fast.

Sure there are bimmers that do all three but they are in a different price range, and you need to shell out lots of $$ for extended warranties. You can't put down $20K like you can on a well specced used Z and have some fun. Forged wheels? Limited slip diff? Count me in!

Well the good things about facts is there is no rooms for specualtion. The mustang does in fact handle better, and get better times than the Z. Anywhere.... Any arena you want. Also the Z is not "fast" by any stretch of the imagination! And you can find a used 1le or 5.0 for cheaper than that of a used Z. Your fooling your self if you think its still a competitor. I love nissan and love the Z. Its my first automitve love, and it hurts for it to be getting left so far behind in a segment it once almost dominated. Thats the frustration... Ive owned Z cars for almost 20 years and this is the first time it has gotten so out classed and nissan not seem to care. Hopefully they will. Hopefully... They will have my buisness if they do, even though im inlove with Z cars, many of us will move on

I have owned both, too.

Look, you said it yourself, cars like the FRS/BRZ are all feel and no power, the Mustang is all power and no feel (especially the S197, the S550 is quite a bit better)- but don't ******** me, even withe PP, it's nowhere near on par with the driving feel of the Z.

The Z, as you said, is a balance of power and finesse. It's not a tiny lightweight car, but it's not a big fat 2 ton boat, either. It may not do 110+ in the quarter mile, but since when is low to mid 13's "slow"?

So, like I said, don't ******** me about Mustangs. A 16:1 rack and a solid rear axle belong under a truck. If you want a car that drives like the Z but has the power of a Mustang, that's great - SO DO I. :bowrofl:

I just don't expect to get it for $35,000. Which is - ta da - the price of a base 2015 Mustang GT with the Performance Package, which still doesn't drive nearly as nice as the Z does. But it is faster.

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I totally agree with this. The Z is about balance of the driving experience - without discounting having some power the way cars like the Miata, BRZ, and RX-8 do, but also considering it's not a $75,000 car made of aluminum so it weighs 2800 lbs. like those cars do, too.

I have another car.

I'll give you two guesses what it is. :drama:

Ford made the SRA work on the 11-14 mustangs. Theres no ******** about it! Feel is subject especially if its getting out performed at the track not 1/4 mile... The boss 302 is SRA and it humiliates the Z, ANYWHERE so the sra thing is out for 11-14. No one cares for previous GT's. Coyote only. The S550 straight is better track car than the Z for the same new price. Thats embarrising for nissan! I know its been a hard pill swallow but the 11-14 coyotes, 1le's, scat pack cars are all getting it done. Z owners are bullshitting themselves if they think otherwise. SRA OR not.

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Why didn't you buy one then? :hello:

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Some people don't "get" the Z.

Why these people keep buying the Z instead of a Hellcat is beyond me. :facepalm:

No really, if the Z sucks so bad, why did you buy one again? :bowrofl:

If the Mustang is so good, why did you get rid of yours?

Needed something more practical, like.. A Z? :confused:

Hahah great rebutle. Hard to argue facts:inoutroflpuke:

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Way to dodge the question.

I'm not arguing facts, we're talking about the feel of the car, which you yourself said is subjective.

I already said I know the Mustang is faster, so... Why not answer the question? Why are you driving a Z instead of a Mustang?

I didnt say it sucked. Lol. I said its getting left behind in a segment it used to almost dominate. Then you came in here with your "feelss" crap talking down on SRA for the 11-14 GT. LMAO

AS i said before, and ill say it again for the "hard of reading" Z cars are my first love... And this thread is about frustrations about the new possible direction of the Z

The SRA may "dominate" on a track but it "feels" like crap on public streets with bumps and irregularities.

How the car "feels" is part of the Z, one which you apparently discount.