that's a huge bummer. IIRC there's basically no real mechanical connection between steering wheel and tires with that system

Wrong.

The Infiniti Q's can be had with EPS or DAS. DAS is the one EVERYBODY HATES

The new Z is just getting EPS.

Where did the literature say that the new Z is getting the most hated DBW steering in the world? Link please.....

I can't wait for YouTube reviews of this car; in particular Throttle House and The Straight Pipes. Overall, it's what I expected - it's what we were all asking for - pretty much a 370z with a twin turbo kit and 6MT from the factory. Throw in some interior bits to make it more modern looking and I'm happy. I prefer the looks of the current Z to the new one - but I'm sure I'm a little biased as well as I'm sure as time goes on - my mind will change. I am disappointed in the electric steering feel but...at the same time - I think it was just a matter of time since most cars that way and there isn't very many hydraulic steering anymore. Regardless - if I were looking at used Zs or a new one for that matter and I was looking to turbo/supercharge it - would just make sense to wait and get one from the factory with a warranty.

I hope your right they were vague on their wording and from what I can dig up it matches the wording on the DAS system. Either way any electric steering shouldn't be on the car in the first place. There is no excuse for why they needed to add it when people have shown you can keep the steering in the current Z and drop in a VR30.

I was under that impression myself when I first heard about it however there is still a physical shaft connecting the wheel to the rack. Just massive motors attached to the rack and column.

The beaut of this is that it will force more manufacturers to include this port on their turbines for it to fit this car. Though not necessary it will inform/teach owners about and help the driver operate the car better. (dont expect much if your turbine speed is low)

No complains on this gauge, could have been worse, could have been the 3rd model with a specific gauge for the clock.

I think the reason they put the turbine speed there, is just because it will look cool with the needle always moving.

This is unlike the battery voltage and temperature gauges which move so slowly that they appear static and stationary.

Some things never change, they just get reinvented.

The turbine speed gauge reminds me back in the day when it was the thing to
have a BIG tach mounted on your steering column.
But hell, it did not eliminate the clock.

I know, that's why I got rid of the car for my 2012 Z. :happydance:

I'm honestly really excited for the new Z. Of course even if I was in the market to get one I'd wait a few model years so any issues can be fixed. I'll never buy a first year of a new model and have the risk of a lot sh*t going wrong, just to be that guy that has it first. Just look at the Supra release and how many guys got burnt who bought the launch model.

I do see a few good points here about the steering, but me personally I haven't experienced it first hand so I don't know how different it would feel to me. I'm at 56k miles on the car and daily it, and don't plan on selling anytime soon. But when I approach early 100k miles I might look to sell and not have to deal with the possibility of major issues coming up. Of course they can come up at any time even at what im at now, but would be a little more peace of mind.

If I were to sell my Z honestly the only thing that would really interest me for ~30K would be a V1 Nismo LOL. I've driven my friends STi and that low of hp for AWD just isn't fun to me. Don't get me wrong it seemed a lot more practical, but it's not my taste. For the forseeable future I don't see myself getting rid of a third pedal. I'm sure maybe I'll grow out of it eventually, but definitely not any time soon.

If you go to the Supra forums - it seems like a lot (not all) of the 2021's have their ECU locked still so they can't do a tune other than the JB4 tune. I really like those Supras but.....I really do like having a third pedal as well. :)

Yes, we all know hydraulic steering is better. I posted awhile back, a comparison between my 2017 M2 & 2013 Z, and I preferred the Z's steering as well as a few other things.

Car companies are forced to go hydraulic, because of mpg rating reasons. Especially if they want to include a 6mt into their line up.

Both my cars were/are 6mt, daily drivers and I drive them the same. My Z was stock, with only an axle back exhaust. M2 stock, with only a high flow cat. Please keep in mind, the M2 is faster in every category vs the Z, it's also a slightly larger and more practical car. However I averaged just under 16 mpg on the Z and I'm getting slightly over 18 mpg with the M2. Sizeable difference given the performance/size of each car.

Would I sacrifice 1 mpg on the M2 for hydraulic steering, yes I would. Unfortunatley, car companies can't do this and meet federal mpg guidlines, so something has to go.

Does the M2 steering feel bad? No, not at all, it's just that the Z was better. But the overall balance, handling and speed of the M2, leaves me not concerned about the lack of hydraulic steering. So before getting into a frenzy over the lack of hydraulic steering, let's see how the see Z really performs and drives. We may be pleasantly surprised and I could be back in a Z again.

Fair enough I guess we will see. Also if it's that bad I'd put money on it that it wouldn't be too difficult to swap since people have the VR30 motor in the Z and kept the hydraulic steering. Another thing what in the world are you doing to get 16mpg? I'm getting 24~mpg with a good quarter of my drive in the city. Heck if I baby it I can hit 27mpg. That's with no tune, hfc, and exhaust

He lives in Honolulu, home of the worst traffic in the world. When I was there, there was only one place where you could get to 55 and it was on the H3 out of Kaneohe. Even then, you had to watch out for HPD... :eekdance:

Ghostvette is correct. 75% city driving, and the 25% hwy that i drive, only 5-10 miles average length, plus I live close to a nice, tight mountain twistie.

Hey Ghost, they increased the speed on the H3 to 60, woohoo! :rofl2: Also there's a couple of roads here where you can go 0-100 on a straight without other cars or cross streets around and 5-O can't hide. But I haven't done that for a number of years.