I'm pretty sure the 400hp 3.0t engine will have better mileage than the current 3.7 with normal driving. Use a heavy foot, then you'll probably get the same mileage as now.

I am also fairly certain that if Nissan keeps their manufacturing plants the same, with the Z being made in Japan, the Mercedes like turbo 2.0 will most likely not make it into the Z.

Also, welcome to the fun side :tiphat:

that's because the camaro was heavy as shyt to begin with, making it easier to shave off the weight off it. our car is not heavy, it's going to be a lot harder to shave off weight than if our car weigh 4,000lbs. if they start adding carbon fiber parts the price of the car will sky rocket. you can't keep "shaving off" weight and adding hp and expect the price to stay the same or go up a few thousand. hell i want a c7 z06 for 40k, but it's not happening.

I'm looking at a 2500lb AWD CROSSOVER... LOL

If you say so? But I disagree.

Maybe 3200lbs on the Nismo due to body kit wider tires and body bracing? But I'm thinking more like 3100 for Nismo

The Z was the lightest AFFORDABLE car with over 300HP in 2008.
Weight is important to Nissan and Mr.K called the Z34 a heavy car not conducive to his legacy. Mr. K passed away.
Nissan is not going to disrespect our cars father. That's why a 2500lb AWD chassis is the case study for the future.

I'm calling 2900 for the 4 banger
3000lb for the 6

Again... Our Z concept is a 2500lb AWD CROSSOVER!!!!

who makes 2500lb all wheel drive crossovers?

The Juke is a 2800lb Nissan crossover. That started at 22k in AWD 5 YEARS AGO!!!!
The juke, which most passed off as some hokey car with a CVT is a technological marvel if we can get past third grade "I don't like the looks opinions. It launched to 60 in 7.2 seconds with .91g of lat acc and came out in 2011.

The Z came from the FM platform from 2002. The grip Z is a RWD lightened version of the juke with Z performance.

I'm expecting a lot of spec similarities from the grip Z in the new Z. I believe the Z is taking long because of the cost of transition from the FM platform to this new ultra light platform. So Nissan is trying to make what they thought they'd originally sell in volume on our platform. They expected 15,000 units over 6 years for a total of 75,000 units. I believe once Nissan gets as close as they can to that number, the new Z will be introduced.


I don't think the grip is the next Z in itself. But as stated it's the case study for a line up of ultra light Nissan sports cars and crossovers.

Nissan has always been an innovator and leader in technology and chassis rigidity.

You said the Z is a niche car, why would they make another car Z car to have the same niche mediocre sales?

if this is their reasoning then the 370 wouldnt exist either............nor the 350.

actually i know for a fact the 350 was dead. it was saved by enthusiasts.

just stop with the stupidity here.

none of us actually know for sure if there will be or wont be another Z.

however ,i hold onto hope that they make use of that new VR engine and keep the Z alive with some upgrades and new body.

350z had way better sales than the 370z though. The g35/350z sold like hotcakes. The 370z/g37 not so much even with Infiniti practically begging people to lease the g37.

yes and its hard to believe because the 350 is not a pretty Z whatsoever.

amazing that they sold around 150k 350 and only 60k or so 370's so far. (us sales figures est. i found)

I blame the new mustang and Camaro , I feel like most Americans are still racist against true Japanese looking cars like the Z. Some sort of Japanese bitterness.

the majority americans are idiots so it's understandable.

Yea, its this all the way. Despite Ford and Chevy having street and track numbers to boast about (and they should-they are indeed superior platforms in terms of pure performance than any stock Z34) there is room for argument, the great majority of us on here, these pony cars arent for everyone. The relatively light weight, sharpness and power of a two seat coupe STILL has an appeal to me over the huge HP pony cars...its that simple.

The 350z was much cheaper to obtain than the 370z. I bought my 03 350Z Enthusiast Model at 27K back in the day (New). I bought both of my 370z at 37K. (New) Big difference.

My observations...

The Z platform can lose weight if it's not shared with an SUV.
Since we know it's a turbo V6, at least one model is guaranteed to make 400hp.
Nissan took a step in the right direction with Infiniti in removing the stupid steer by wire and put the hydrolic pump with electric assist back in.
There aren't any cars available in the market for under $100,000 that make 400 or more hp and weigh 3,000lbs.
Its easier to add power than reduce weight, its more cost effective, and it sells more. I'm fully expecting weight to sit around 3200lbs.
I'm betting that Nissan will rely on gearing, quick shifting transmissions, launch control, and trick suspension settings to keep pace with the big V8's. I don't think the goal is to beat them at their own game, but to be subjectively better at everything else.

Idk how many of you have driven the Mustangs and Camaro's with the performance packages, hell, even the Vettes. The steering feel, the accuracy, the turn in the car has over those vehicles is night and day. The car just feels better to drive. Ive been car shopping for the Wife and I always come back disappointed. You really need to get into a specialty vehicle to get anything remotely similar for under $70,000.

If the Cayman S is still the Z's target, and if they intend to match or beat that car from a numbers standpoint, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Of course it is: add lightness.

The Mazda 6 is 3200lbs. A large sedan. Yes, our engine will weigh a little more, but not that much more.

12,000 -15,000 sales is probably what they would need to keep it alive. Chassis wise at least. The engines are already there!!!

What do you think the Z is? It's not a sedan. It's not meant to sell for the masses. Just modest enough to keep a legacy going. 5,000 per engine per year should be good. Considering it's one v6 and two tunes. It's simple logic.

Put it like this, people like you were doubting me the camaro would be what it is today before there was a production model and just news. You can see my posts in the other vehicles section for the 2014 corvette. When we were having conversations of the mystery camaro.

I called it blow for blow...
As I have on a few cars...

How do I do this magical thing. By sorting out fact from Fiction and leaving out my own personal biases.

Just like I didn't forsee the mustang losing all that weight delving into irs for the first time. Everyone threw that svt cobra as a reason for them getting it. But they were facing a lot of new regulations along with irs. All the so called e,parts came at me sideways about my delusions.

I was told the Q60 would never get a 400HP turbo by the so called experts on this forum well over a year ago... Lol.
What the q60 has?

I'm wrong about a lot of things... But not these things.

Well Hopefully you arent wrong and they are working on something and plan to release it soon. 2019 for a Gripz type car would be a disaster.

If they sold 60k units? You further validate my point about hitting the 75,000 unit mark before transitioning

If you think the GRIP Z is an SUV? The grip Z weighs 2,500lbs.

If you consider the juke an SUV? It weighs 2,800lbs.

The juke is 500lbs lighter than a Z

The juke is 500lbs lighter than a Z

The juke was the first in a new generation of lightweight vehicles for the Z.

Do you guys know my 2008 altima 3.5 said on the stickers the door that it weighed 3100lbs? My old altima was 132lbs lighter than the 09 base/manual Z

The thinking behind weight in this thread is EXTREMELY limited.

If you add I Canadian sales it's close.

I didn't look up jdm/euro figures.

RWD also adds components and weight vs FWD

The Gripz is a concept vehicle with a revised version of the Leaf EV's electric motor. The doors won't work, at least not well; Nissan doesn't have the build quality nor internal bracing to make them work reliably. I have a thin-tire vehicle, hit a pothole the size of a brick and the rim is done--they probably won't make production. Before you flame me for those statements, I ordered a 2015 Murano Platinum and 2015 370Z from Japan, both custom built, so I'm not negative on Nissan. Bottom line: The Gripz doesn't [yet] exist, and when it does it won't look like the concept vehicle nor compare to the traditional Z heritage.

The Juke is all about color choices, not quality. Like most recent Nissan products the styling and features are superb, the underlying build is the same hacked-and-stitched crap they've been producing elsewhere. If you want a tiny hipster/hamster taxi with large footprint and no cargo space, get that. If you want a somewhat exclusive race car with large footprint, the same cargo space, and decent build quality, get the Z--it sure won't damage your manhood like the hamster-mobile.

The draw of the Z is good value for the money. Other than the poor choice of plastic in the clutch assembly, it's reliable, fun, fast, and looks good. It doesn't have the deep curves, insane power, top traction, nor price tag of more expensive cars, and with a single twin-scroll turbo, exhaust, and clutch pack it's a crazy-fun squirrely ride. Swap some engine parts, juice the boost, and ya got 1,000 HP and a $70,000+ car for $50,000.

The Z doesn't gain the attraction of some other "classic" cars, but it is a classic, to the extent the 350Z has made every Fast-and-Furious movie except Five, that was a 370Z. With Japanese sourced parts the U.S. cars have been very capable.

Is there a market for the next Z is the question. The global economy is tanking, thanks to the guys that aren't in the news bleeding the peasants for exorbitant taxes--long live the king. Who can afford one? The Z hits that middle-market that was mostly untapped, the just-above-middle-class zone with disposable income, which allowed upper-lower-income passionate car guys to buy new instead of re-building used and still get a lot of rip, right out of the box, plus reliability. The upgrades from there are bolt-ons, no hard work involved. That group is down-sized. You're either scrapping to support your family and pay mandatory "health insurance" and the resulting uncovered medical bills, or you're the foam above the coffee-that thin layer of froth. Will there be enough of "the right people" to make the next generation race car practical--that's the question.

Since the 400hp tune in the Infiniti is called "Red Sport" I'm still going with my speculation of the next Z....

Entry level: 2.0T engine
Sport/Touring: 3.0TT engine 300+hp
Nismo: 3.0TT engine 400+hp

$60K for next new Z35?
 

Does Nissan possess a four banger turbo that is not mated to a FWD tranny?

Last I read was that the 2.0T engine is only going to be made in the USA. Unless the Z is going to be manufactured here, I don't think it will receive that engine.

While I love my country, I prefer Japanese cars that are made in Japan.

You won't like my answer but...yes-ish
Juke has a 4 banger turbo with an AWD (CVT tranny).

:tiphat:

Guess I should have asked if they had one that wasn't transverse mounted. :ugh2:

Yeah you're right:
Nissan Decherd - Nissan Smyrna Manufacturing and Assembly Plant

I do prefer a V6 only Z car but who knows at this point whether they'll offer a four banger turbo...

So to bring you up to speed, the current Altima weighs around 3,450 lbs.
That grip concept is a pipe dream. The Juke is a FWD and AWD platform, not RWD. FWD weighs less because the drive wheels are right next to the engine. So I'm not being far fetched at all. You're quoting the 1.6L FWD Juke, not the AWD. the AWD weighs as much as a base Z.

The Z already starts at $30k for a stripper of a car. You're looking at $36, for a sport tech and touring models. Nismos and convertibles are the only overpriced models. I think everyone here would be happy paying Nismo money for 400hp. They won't like paying $60k unless the car starts eating vettes again, and that will require more than 400hp. And for the record, brand new Vettes weigh as much as the Z. You'd think they would try and drop the weight of those a lot more if they could? That's a $55,000 car.

Second piece you fail to realize is that to make a stiff structure, that adds weight. With new crash test requirements, clever engineering will need to be done to maintain similar chassis weight or even less.

You also fail to realize that bigger brakes weigh more, bigger wheels weigh more, a larger radiator, additional cooling, beefier clutch, transmission, thicker roll bars, the turbos, the strut bar (front and inverted rear), and all the little luxury features people are asking for.

I'm comfortable with the 3200 number. It definitely won't be 3,100lbs. The car is already using aluminum body panels, carbon driveshaft, forged wheels, aluminum suspension bits, undersized the radiator, crap oil cooler, and the wheelbase is only 100". There isn't a lot left to take off without spending a lot of money for magnesium and carbon.

Great post man, I highly doubt Nissan is going to spend all those production costs just to give some niche Z fans what they want..

It's a bad market spot for Nissan unless they get into Civic SI/Fiesta ST/GTI territory and release some sort of turbo hatch or IDX type little car. But they cancelled the IDX so i doubt even that happens. They are missing out bigtime, the Ford Focus RS is being sold above MSRP and selling like crazy demand. The GOLF R is sold at msrp or above at every dealer with high demand. Nissan could make sort of hot hatch right now and be competitive for enthusiasts but no.....I'm still hoping they are working on something though.

So yes, you are correct. They are definitely looking to compete with the Golf and Focus, but I think keep some of the original rwd coupe flavor

http://www.caradvice.com.au/359921/r...re-affordable/

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Just drop the VR38DETT in there. Call it a day

So ... still nothing definitive as what the next Z will be, huh? A $60K Z would have to beat an M4 on almost everything before I consider purchasing one.

I wouldn't lie to you guys :icon17:

:iagree:, no way would it ever be $60K. The new BMW M2 w/shipping is $52K, MSRP.

Hey I know that place very well. ..should we get into a Nissan built QR Altima/Mercedes 4 cylinder forced inducted engine pissing contest again?

Yes. We love pissing contests around here! Might as well lay them out on the table and measure too while you're at it. :wtf2:

jwick trolling for **** pics...

All of that info about the grip and juke is basically useless information. Except for the fact it has all that shyt and is still AWD and 2500lbs. It's still a super light chassis and the key words about what I said about the grip Z... "It's a case study"!!!!

We're in the middle of the first performance wars since the 90's ... I don't see how the global economy is suffering that much when we've hit a record for all new car models over the last 3 years. Those economics contradict what's happening.

ALTIMA IS 3,212 LBS IN 2016 at entry. U might wanna recheck that I'm speaking 2,900 lbs starting weight.
That's why I believe it will start at 2,900lbs. Based on the fact the grip Z is AWD, has a shyt load of electronics,n batteries n whatnot has a sport car chassis, and RWD biased. If all that is prevalent.

I'm going to subtract electronics and AWD, add RWD. Subtract the long suspension parts for short ones, subtract the extra doors and replace some weight with chassis reinforcement and heavier building materials..

So it's like saying 2,500lbs - 200 + 500/600= ?

Simple mathematics.

I can definitely see the Z being about 500lbs heavier than an ALFA ROMEO 4C and playing in that field than playing in the field of camaro and mustang. But that's me.