sooooooooooooo they would actually make the car we want rather than the one we put up with?

Exactly. And none of us can really agree on what we want anyway.

400HP boosted
3200lbs or less
DCT

sounds like a solid starting point for me lol

fixed.

might as well add 'falcon wing doors' and a lazer pewpew cannon to that list too. at the very least lazer pewpew.

First of all, I don't think anyone is claiming that a new Z is being built. We are just giving our opinions, on what we hope Nissan does, if they build a new Z.

2nd, if you understand Nissan's manufacturing structure as well as most automobile manufacturer's. It's very logical and cost efficient from a business model to use the same engine/chassis as the Q's. Currently the Z, GTR, Infiniti Q50/60's engine & components with the V6 are manufactured in Japan and then all are assembled at the same plant.

Also, I posted this earlier. Nissan Juke sales average approx 3K units a month in the US. Scion FRS approx 800 units a month. Downsizing the Z to this category will not be possible due to lack of sales and the real possibility of the Z just robbing sales from the Juke. Now update the Z with the new 400 hp engine and you can possibly rob sales from Corvette (3k units per month), Cayman, Camaro & Mustang and still maintain Nissan's loyal, consistent Z base of 600 cars per month.

Once again, I'm not saying a new Z is forthcoming, but if Nissan builds one, the 400hp turbo engine sounds like the logical business choice to me.

lol at 400hp logical business choice..: they can barely sell an entry level 35k car , how would selling a car with more performance with a higher price tag be a logical move for Nissan? They would probably sell even less Z's than they already do/have. That's why the only grain of salt I'm taking with a new z being made is the from the information from interviews of Nissan heads and designers. They have only really said if they do make a new z it will have to be more fuel efficient and priced in a more competitive segment... That doesn't sound like a new twin turbo z to me yet still a few people in the thread are practically expecting a new twin turbo powerful z which is hilarious to me.

They said those things a long time ago and they've said a lot of different things over the last few years. If nothing else, this engine would be in the Nismo at least. They already have this engine so that makes more fiscal sense than designing a new smaller turbo engine just fore the Z. It is also a smaller displacement turbo v6 which make sit lighter and more fuel efficient than the current gen so that makes sense and is in line with what they have said regarding weight and mpg. I am very confident this engine will find its way into a Z of some trim level. It may not be the base standard engine, but it will be in a Z unless Nissan suddenly unveils a new mid-level sports car to slot between the Z and the GT-R (which will become hybrid and even more $$$).

As for price, it's not going to be 60k like this thread's title suggests. The Q60 coupe probably will be in the 50s so the Z can't be more than that. I would expect whatever trim level Z gets this engine to be in the 40s if it's to have decent NVH (hoping). Maybe a bit less if it's rough and minimal. If does get this engine and is in the 40s, they will need to have a less expensive lower trim with probably some kind of turbo'ed 4 or a detuned version o this that's in the 30s.

Jungle Z knows all.

A new Z is confirmed. What is NOT confirmed is if it will make it on its expected arrival of 2018. But we WILL see a new Z by 2020 the latest.

It's amazing... Do people ignore what's stated in the legit news?

I heard the new Z will have a 3 inch factory lift option with a front axle "purist" package that allows 3 inches of more wheel travel with the select of a switch. All powered by a VR30 clean diesel.

Not sure I can answer your question (underlined) in a manner that you'll understand but I'll do my best with some business logic, facts and statistics. A little long winded on my part but the answer should make some sense further below.

First the information you stated from interviews that came from Nissan heads and designers (bolded) is not totally accurate. They came from department heads, otherwise known as VP's. Definitely not high enough on the corporate structure to say yes or no to a new car, also keep in mind, designers are very low on the corporate ladder, and in no way can they create a new car. In fact, they are instructed by their superiors, what type of car to design. Remember that all new vehicles for Nissan are only authorized by Carlos Ghosn. Yes, he Is the head of Nissan and a very savvy head man at that.

Second, for Nissan to compete in the same segment as the FRS would be financial suicide. The FRS is currently selling only 800 cars a month in the US. The 8 year old Z is currently still selling 600 cars a month. So why would a smart man like Carlos Ghosn authorize a new car to compete in the FRS segment?

Third, the Z, Q50/60 and GTR are all manufactured in the same plant in Japan. The Z & Q's share basically the same engine, chassis & parts. Some of which the GTR uses. This requires less research and development, plant tooling and training of employees. All of which, costs a lot of money to do. Carlos Ghosn understands this and thus all of the 4 vehicle listed above have been profitable for Nissan.

Fourth, the C6 Corvette only sold 1,000 cars a month for years, prior to the arrival of the C7. Once the C7 arrived toward the end of 2013, Vette sales increased to 3,000 cars a month and remains there till this day. Chevrolet increased the power, handling and looks of the Vette, oh yeah, they increased the price by $5k on the base C7 too.

What many people don't understand is that there are quite a few Americans that can afford a $50-60k car. This demographic is basically age 50 and up, not usually on car forums and are more concerned with the quality/value of their purchase, rather than price. Status is also a silent concern for most of them.

If you were Carlos Ghosn and only given two choices, compete in the FRS category or compete in the much higher volume Corvette/BMW M4 (400+ hp) category. Which one would you choose?

Please keep in mind, I have not said Nissan will come out with a new Z but if I were the head of Nissan and wanted to keep the iconic Z alive, I definitely would not make it an FRS fighter.

What the poster you're responding to is failing to see is that we have TURBO TECH OIN EVERYTHING now..

1. So making more power and getting better emissions is MUCH less of an issue

2. The 2009 Z came out in late 2008 when the economy crashed and ALL 2 seat sport coupes suffered.

3. Being that the economy is better. The Z has a better chance at success... The new chassis in the Grip Z is a case study platform for more versatility in the Z to increase sales.

4. Historically/ the Z/G has shared the same platform and engine. Though Nissan's grip Z is a new platform for the Z and possibly a range of NEW Nissan sport cars...
I expect the Z to STILL share identical engine choices in the Z. Common sense says it... Saves money, over re-engineering another new engine. Nissan isn't going to go that far in spenditure

An increase of power could also bring more people over from the muscle car crowd, or at least make them consider options.

I really hate to sound so negative but the bottomline is a Nissan 370Z cannot compete in the USA. i would say its pretty much over. Anyways im not going to post in this thread anymore until Nissan officially releases a statement that they are even going to release a new Z. If they do which i highly highly doubt im thinking 2019,2020?

Nothing wrong with dreaming and hoping though so keep at it.

why is it over for the Z and why can it not compete?

to be honest if/when the next Z gets made i'm pretty sure it'll look leaps and bounds better than the camaro and the mustang. which in america is it's real compeition based on power and price point.

Building on this point, compare the 2009 Z when it was released to the 2009 Mustang (3600lbs, 210HP V6 or 305HP V8), Camaro (lolz just a concept), Cayman/S (3000lbs, 255HP/310HP H6).

With all of the RnD and technology advancements, the new Z will be a hot contender.

finally you say something i agree with :bowrofl:

I've got a stick you can shift ;)

annnnnd we're back :shakes head:

COMPETE??????????

The Z doesn't try to compete against any car as there are NO CARS TO TRULY COMPETE in that way.... It needs to be quality, feature rich with compelling performance for the NICHE MARKET not the mass market.

It's a budget Cayman/Vette alternative for those who can't afford them. The Solstice is no more as is the Rx8. What the Z has to do is make a package SO compelling it will make people want to own a piece of Nissan heritage.

That said, the goal should be 12,000 units worldwide.
Performance sells in this market but convenience needs to have some precedence.

Lightweight and hydraulic steering to murder the feedback game.

Engine options and price range competitor 400lbs lighter the camaro v6.

250HP FRS killer at $26k 2800lbs

300HP camaro v6 competitor /2,900lbs

400HP camaro SS killer/ 2,900lbs

Nismo Porsche GT4 killer/ 3,050lbs (body bracing and wider wheels.)

Grip Z is 2500lbs with a 4 banger and AWD so it can be done.

The appeal for such a such a car will steal Vette sales...

We did it in 89, we can do it again.

!:inoutroflpuke:

400hp and 2900lbs... i just don't see that happening.

i can see it being around that.

i believe my Z came stock at 3232lbs. probably lost 50 or so lbs from losing the cats and extra exhaust weight. then more weight when dropping those bulky intake boxes etc...


the new engine with all the intercooler weight is only 12.3lbs heavier than the 3.7 VQ. so you're not gaining much there and again drop the stupid cats and uneeded exhaust weight it'll drop nicely.

they have it listed as 3274 for the base. the sport was around 3350. now you're asking to loose 300-400lbs. (we know they can't sell the car without the cats) that's something you can do yourself lol.

if the z hypothetically was to be 2900lbs and 400hp, then the title of this thread would be true and it would cost upwards of 60k. i just don't see it as being possible to weigh that little and have that much hp for 40k

base 6mt is 3232 - 7at base is 3269

the sport really only adds extra from heavier calipers, forged wheels, and the wing which isnt that heavy.

without putting it on an actual scale it would be 3400 max.

and yes they cant sell it without but im sure they come right off.............well given theres no demon bolt.

exhaust would be scrapped as fast as someone makes a set if i get the next Z even if i have someone custom make it lol

400 hp 2900 lbs is not happening without a big bump in price for lighterweight materials. I expect a minor weight drop with a power bump.

The only glimmer of hope is how common cf materials have become over the years the price is coming down.

I agree 2900 isn't attainable but I could see it 3200-3400 which honestly wouldn't be bad.

Current Z with less power at ~3400lbs is still a good car and drives well. Add power and same weight still sounds like a win to me

We've been saying this for a while. We'd all be realistically pretty stoked to see a 420/370 3300lb Z. Totally doable with the tooling already there too. Same pricing, maybe even a bit lower for base models. Id like to see base around $29 flat OTD.

If that was the outcome I would happily go get something similar to what I have now. Sport package with touring pack nav and AT. Sticker on mine was 44k and of happily pay that or a bit more for the extra power.

The potential of a factory boosted engine is so much greater than the NA currently it'll be worth it. Breathers and tune alone will unlock a good bit of power.

Ok I guess I'll join in on the fun, no point in debating in a car we all want to happen. I guess we can all just hope together in here until 2019/2020 haha.

Seriously though just give me a new Z that gets any sort of better gas mileage for the guys who buy the car who just want to commute to work without getting 12-15 mpg in the city with a heavy foot. The turbo 2.0 dct in the new Mercedes slc slk replacement would even be a decent.

420/370 for 29k OTD is not going to happen. That's basically saying I want a lot more for a lot less. What's more realistic is getting somewhat more for the same $$ or a lot more $$$. For a car to be 29k OTD would mean it would need to sell for around 26k. There is no way you're getting a 420/370 new car for 26k....

They're making stronger aluminum alloy these days, so a Z with the same makeup of aluminum as Z34, but thinner/lighter could come in a couple hundred lighter. Plus lighter interior parts.

Well...maybe $30k TOPS? OTD. Base mustang with what, like 315hp can be had for $22K? They NEED to keep the price down. Imperative cuz this whole Z thing is going like the 300...again. They have the turbo engine already. All the stuff is there. $30K...OTD with 400hp/350tq base price? Better? Hmmm?

The 400/350 version (it won't be higher than that because then it'll be higher than the more expensive q60) Will be at minimum mid-high 30s and that's being hopeful and assuming they let you get that engine without automatically adding certain other packages to get the cost up. This would put it a few grand more than the mustang Gt which I thik is the best case scenario. Unless they really get a lot out of other models sharing Z chassis and components, I can't seem them getting the price any closer to the gt than that. The Mustang is a high volume car and the Z is not and will never sell as many. It needs to be close to Mustang power, but with the allure of sexy 2 seater styling and a more engaging driving experience along with not being as common to make up the price difference. It will also be lighter.

I think if it can have power close to the Mustang GT, weigh 300-400 lbs lighter, look sexy and be like 3k more than the stang, it will be fine.

See, then it all depends on what comes as standard for say $35K (for me). Leather, NAV, Hands Free everything, to start. Leather will never happen, neither will NAV. So, youre saying, realistically mid 40's for the goodies I want because the packages will bring it up in price level, like every other damn car. If thats the case I may take another chance on the revamped Genesis brand post '17-'18. Just like now Ill get 95% performance of a Z, 200% tech and pseudo lux for many, many thousands less. This is exactly what got me OUT of a 370 into a Genesis. Damnit Nissan!!!

If the camaro can make a 3400lb 4 seat, 335 HP 3400lb sport coupe with every option. Nissan can shave 500lbs and add 60HP. You act like they haven't followed this formula 3x before...

I agree with a caveat. It ain't gonna be 2900lbs. Not with 332+hp. 3200 with 380/300?

You say shave 500 lbs like it's easy...