[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

sunkist350z · 09-20-2020, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy

Time to start a new Z36 thread?

I'd buy this.

Nissan needs to hire this designer, this is the true z35

Rusty · 09-20-2020, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy

Time to start a new Z36 thread?

I'd buy this.

cv129 · 09-21-2020, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimiser

Anyone seen this yet?

2:17 mark, oil temp, oil pressure, diff temp, and looks like a boost gauge where the triplets are. Never paid attention to all the press release videos until this time, sorry if it’s already old news.

Bigger front tires too, that’s nice.

old guy · 09-21-2020, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy

time to start a new z36 thread?

I'd buy this.

oh hell yes

Andaesthetics · 09-20-2020, 09:32 PM

I'm curious as to why they didn't go with a design closer to these concepts.

The 1st one looks similar to the Proto, but more crisp and aggressive. The 2nd definitely looks like more of a concept and less realistic in terms of bringing that design to life. The 3rd I like how the rear end slopes more off the roof line straight towards the taillights and creates that ledge then angles back in and almost straight down to the diffuser and exhaust tips. Where as with the Proto, the middle-bottom area protrudes out, creating that hump.

IMO, instead of focusing on making it look like the older Zs, they should've designed the Proto with more of these cool, concept designs without going over the top. I think this would've appealed to more people for sure. I know most of the time concept designs aren't possible to create because of regulations, engineering, and what have you. However, looking at other cars of today especially supercars and hypercars, they have a lot of crazy, sharp, and concept-like looking designs while still making it to production, passing regulation, and being road legal. So, again while I fully understand it is not possible to put an entire concept into production, it is definitely possible to implement more of these conceptual design elements. I feel they just decided not to.

I like the overall look and aesthetic of the car, but they did not hit it out of the park by any means. I appreciate the retro looks and styling. I just wish they would've added more of the concept-driven designs with less retro/throwback styling, but that's just my personal taste. And who knows maybe they'll make changes and add some more conceptual details come production time.

sunkist350z · 09-20-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Andaesthetics

I'm curious as to why they didn't go with a design closer to these concepts.

The 1st one looks similar to the Proto, but more crisp and aggressive. The 2nd definitely looks like more of a concept and less realistic in terms of bringing that design to life. The 3rd I like how the rear end slopes more off the roof line straight towards the taillights and creates that ledge then angles back in and almost straight down to the diffuser and exhaust tips. Where as with the Proto, the middle-bottom area protrudes out, creating that hump.

IMO, instead of focusing on making it look like the older Zs, they should've designed the Proto with more of these cool, concept designs without going over the top. I think this would've appealed to more people for sure. I know most of the time concept designs aren't possible to create because of regulations, engineering, and what have you. However, looking at other cars of today especially supercars and hypercars, they have a lot of crazy, sharp, and concept-like looking designs while still making it to production, passing regulation, and being road legal. So, again while I fully understand it is not possible to put an entire concept into production, it is definitely possible to implement more of these conceptual design elements. I feel they just decided not to.

I like the overall look and aesthetic of the car, but they did not hit it out of the park by any means. I appreciate the retro looks and styling. I just wish they would've added more of the concept-driven designs with less retro/throwback styling, but that's just my personal taste. And who knows maybe they'll make changes and add some more conceptual details come production time.

I agree, especially love the 3rd picture

Ventruck · 09-21-2020, 12:12 AM

I imagine these is a lot of stuff that flies over our heads as forum posters as opposed to industrial designers, and then the engineers (from mechanical to value engineering) that have to call for revisions.

I do like how some alternate concepts and interpretations layer the rear spoiler/decklid over the rear surface. And then they have more continuity about finishing the front lines. The Proto Z is already a bit longer than the Z34, so those appealing renditions might not really be feasible from a manufacturer standpoint unless we see it in the form of a Nismo package.

But as many have said, time will tell. Despite what was said in the announcement, I wouldn't be surprised if the styling takes a jump like the Concept Show GT-R from 2001 to the Proto in 2007.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-21-2020, 12:21 AM

Back in the days of the Grip Z coupe concept &when Nissan talked to Jay Leno.
They talked about having a more pure sports car drive, yet with more grand touring usability. They wanted to build a car Mr. K would be proud of as he felt, before he passed, the Z34, had lost the purity of past Z's.

So in one of my past analysis back in 2013, I stated that for this Z to have a pure driving experience yet be a good grand tourer. The Z would have to grow 5 to 6 inches in length, and squat down to 51", which would make it big enough to get a 240z sized trunk but yet be small enough to stay nimble. I also said nissan would have to stretch the wheelbase to about 104".

I wasnt far off from reality. This Z proto is 172.5" long
51.6 inches high, which means a nismo model would be around 51" high. Havent heard what the wheelbase is yet? But im sure im not far off either...

What I did say though was the Z would have to decrease in weight from its first year weights which were
3232lbs manual base
3280lbs auto.
So im hoping we'd see at least 3120 base manual and 3200 auto.
This i have less confidence in. Figuring another 80 lbs for the sport pkg and 120lbs for the nismo.
Maxing it out at no more than 3400lbs for the big boy?
But im probably too hopeful in this dept? Either way I can dream and it is nice going down a checklist of more things nissan has done right instead of a checklist of what they did wrong.

And yes. Im prating the front end is a prototype only and they embolden the cars beautiful lines on the side.

It would also be nice to see a surpriss announcement of a 2500lb idx with the qx30 engine boosted to about 240hp and DCT going for 30k. Nissan needs to go back to its roots. They can call it the 200sx.

The maxima name is supposed to be dying off. Well, here's a chance to make a real sports sedan out of the altima or kick in with a futuristic sport sedan.

Cuz the only way the Z will really sell well? Is if the whole lineup, updates into interesting cars in all price ranges.

tvfreakazoid · 09-21-2020, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Back in the days of the Grip Z coupe concept &when Nissan talked to Jay Leno.

They talked about having a more pure sports car drive, yet with more grand touring usability. They wanted to build a car Mr. K would be proud of as he felt, before he passed, the Z34, had lost the purity of past Z's.

So in one of my past analysis back in 2013, I stated that for this Z to have a pure driving experience yet be a good grand tourer. The Z would have to grow 5 to 6 inches in length, and squat down to 51", which would make it big enough to get a 240z sized trunk but yet be small enough to stay nimble. I also said nissan would have to stretch the wheelbase to about 104".

I wasnt far off from reality. This Z proto is 172.5" long

51.6 inches high, which means a nismo model would be around 51" high. Havent heard what the wheelbase is yet? But im sure im not far off either...

What I did say though was the Z would have to decrease in weight from its first year weights which were

3232lbs manual base

3280lbs auto.

So im hoping we'd see at least 3120 base manual and 3200 auto.

This i have less confidence in. Figuring another 80 lbs for the sport pkg and 120lbs for the nismo.

Maxing it out at no more than 3400lbs for the big boy?

But im probably too hopeful in this dept? Either way I can dream and it is nice going down a checklist of more things nissan has done right instead of a checklist of what they did wrong.

And yes. Im prating the front end is a prototype only and they embolden the cars beautiful lines on the side.

It would also be nice to see a surpriss announcement of a 2500lb idx with the qx30 engine boosted to about 240hp and DCT going for 30k. Nissan needs to go back to its roots. They can call it the 200sx.

The maxima name is supposed to be dying off. Well, here's a chance to make a real sports sedan out of the altima or kick in with a futuristic sport sedan.

Cuz the only way the Z will really sell well? Is if the whole lineup, updates into interesting cars in all price ranges.

I like the fact nissan made the Z longer, shorter and wider. Although very minimal of the height and width.
I dont like small, short wheelbase sports cars.
But as for the weight, I doubt it would lighter.
Since they are using the same chassis as the 370z. And they have to improve on that.

I'll be in my bunk!

Zingston · 09-21-2020, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I like the fact nissan made the Z longer, shorter and wider. Although very minimal of the height and width.
I dont like small, short wheelbase sports cars.
But as for the weight, I doubt it would lighter.
Since they are using the same chassis as the 370z. And they have to improve on that.

I'll be in my bunk!

I agree! Making the Z longer, while still shorter is quite a Nissan engineering feat. The width, well yeah not so much.

Rusty · 09-21-2020, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zingston

I agree! Making the Z longer, while still shorter is quite a Nissan engineering feat. The width, well yeah not so much.

You believe a Viper is a smaller car. Wheelbase of 98", Body height 49", Weight 3375 lbs, Length 176", Width 76".

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-21-2020, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I like the fact nissan made the Z longer, shorter and wider. Although very minimal of the height and width.
I dont like small, short wheelbase sports cars.
But as for the weight, I doubt it would lighter.
Since they are using the same chassis as the 370z. And they have to improve on that.

I'll be in my bunk!

But high tensile steel and carbon fiber can improve the chassis and reduce weight.

SOUTHZZ · 09-21-2020, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

But high tensile steel and carbon fiber can improve the chassis and reduce weight.

Also,add cost.
Sure does appear,using the same chassis,same weight.
Beef up the HP with a ready developed engine,looks like the plan.
Marketing wise,call it a 4O0Z that equals 400 HP.
Aftermarket guys will be busy promising to get it to the magic 500HP level.

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-22-2020, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUTHZZ

Also,add cost.
Sure does appear,using the same chassis,same weight.
Beef up the HP with a ready developed engine,looks like the plan.
Marketing wise,call it a 4O0Z that equals 400 HP.
Aftermarket guys will be busy promising to get it to the magic 500HP level.

Nissan designs its own carbon fiber parts. So that in itself keeps costs down. The Nismo Z is expected to be a near $60,000 hybrid car. So if thats the case, Nissan will be forced to use carbon fiber parts to reduce weight.
If the alfa romeo can build a near almost all carbon fiber car for $60k? Nissan can utilize some in house carbon fiber to reduce weight. Our drive shafts and radiator housings are carbon fiber now. So im sure it could be used a little further.

jcasti07 · 09-21-2020, 10:28 AM

The increase in length was one of the first things I noticed when looking at the proto. I thought the top section looked pretty much like a 370, but that longer bonnet made a world of difference to me. Gave it a Jag/ Aston appearance, which is a nice touch IMO. Hopefully they're incorporating a lot of the carbon fiber materials that they've been boasting to slim her up.

09-21-2020, 12:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Back in the days of the Grip Z coupe concept &when Nissan talked to Jay Leno. They talked about having a more pure sports car drive, yet with more grand touring usability. They wanted to build a car Mr. K would be proud of as he felt, before he passed, the Z34, had lost the purity of past Z's. So in one of my past analysis back in 2013, I stated that for this Z to have a pure driving experience yet be a good grand tourer. The Z would have to grow 5 to 6 inches in length, and squat down to 51", which would make it big enough to get a 240z sized trunk but yet be small enough to stay nimble. I also said nissan would have to stretch the wheelbase to about 104". I wasnt far off from reality. This Z proto is 172.5" long 51.6 inches high, which means a nismo model would be around 51" high. Havent heard what the wheelbase is yet? But im sure im not far off either... What I did say though was the Z would have to decrease in weight from its first year weights which were 3232lbs manual base 3280lbs auto. So im hoping we'd see at least 3120 base manual and 3200 auto. This i have less confidence in. Figuring another 80 lbs for the sport pkg and 120lbs for the nismo. Maxing it out at no more than 3400lbs for the big boy? But im probably too hopeful in this dept? Either way I can dream and it is nice going down a checklist of more things nissan has done right instead of a checklist of what they did wrong. And yes. Im prating the front end is a prototype only and they embolden the cars beautiful lines on the side. It would also be nice to see a surpriss announcement of a 2500lb idx with the qx30 engine boosted to about 240hp and DCT going for 30k. Nissan needs to go back to its roots. They can call it the 200sx. The maxima name is supposed to be dying off. Well, here's a chance to make a real sports sedan out of the altima or kick in with a futuristic sport sedan. Cuz the only way the Z will really sell well? Is if the whole lineup, updates into interesting cars in all price ranges. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22898	I imagine these is a lot of stuff that flies over our heads as forum posters as opposed to industrial designers, and then the engineers (from mechanical to value engineering) that have to call for revisions. I do like how some alternate concepts and interpretations layer the rear spoiler/decklid over the rear surface. And then they have more continuity about finishing the front lines. The Proto Z is already a bit longer than the Z34, so those appealing renditions might not really be feasible from a manufacturer standpoint unless we see it in the form of a Nismo package. But as many have said, time will tell. Despite what was said in the announcement, I wouldn't be surprised if the styling takes a jump like the Concept Show GT-R from 2001 to the Proto in 2007.

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jcasti07 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: El Paso Posts: 171 Drives: red '15 Mustang GT Rep Power: 14	The increase in length was one of the first things I noticed when looking at the proto. I thought the top section looked pretty much like a 370, but that longer bonnet made a world of difference to me. Gave it a Jag/ Aston appearance, which is a nice touch IMO. Hopefully they're incorporating a lot of the carbon fiber materials that they've been boasting to slim her up.