[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Firebase99

The next gen GTR is AWD, balls deep, launch control, aint stopping for nuns or nuthing, spaceball insanity 800hp. A 420-450hp RWD Z is zero threat.

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thayne

Even at similar HP levels, the Z and GTR are very different cars.

wanderer1234

From a roll its a threat. From Nissan's point of view, the customers would rather pay 40-50k for a 450 HP Z than almost 200k for a 800 HP car. Why would anyone pay 200k when they can have just as much fun in a 40-50k car.

Fact of the matter is Nissan wont make something that will take sales away from the GTR. The vice president already said, if you want power go GTR.

triso07

Sorry but that makes no sense. The GTR is a huge, heavy, AWD, dual-clutch supercar. Bumping the Z to 400-425hp even via turbos does not encroach on a GTR in any way. The car is a smaller, lightweight (relatively), 2-seat sports car.

No doubt the successful return of muscle cars (go America) has scared Nissan and most definitely cost the Z potential buyers. If you're looking for a cool sporty car that has good performance on a budget, American Muscle is very appealing.

I still maintain though that Nissan really doesn't need to do much with this car to make it a hit. It's long in the tooth and needs a good solid redesign that focuses on strong simple lines (NOT the way Nissans design has been going unfortunately). They need to bump the power to anywhere from 375-425 and get the weight down to 3100lbs. Use a little better materials on the inside. Maybe offer the standard car as an NA V6 that gets about 375hp and offer a NISMO variant that's turbo'ed and gets about 420hp with some suspension and aero tweaks.

I guarantee you if Nissan does what I say they will have a large buyer base.

littlejuanito

Then why not get rid of the GTR, bump the horsepower on the new Z and sell more units. Im sure the GTR is not cash cow for Nissan. (that honor goes to the Altima and the Sentra I think).

Leroydsouza

The gtr is a 4 seater sports car.
Even though i hate a 4 seater , its easily the more preferred practical sports car i believe.
The z on the other hand is not a practical car for most.
gTR is targetting the right market segment. The gtr sells more than the z. Or so i believe. The gtr is a legend, so is the z. They both need to stay in its own place.

I wish for the z to have more power but if z gets into gtr territory , it would affect nissan. The z should only stay in the same competition as the camaros and mustangs. Anything more would affect the gtr.
I prefer the z over a gtr, but i would buy a gtr just for what its capable of stock. Nissan might not be doing everything right with the z, but they are spot on with the gtr.
Just my opinion

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ped

Agreed, but the 2016 Camaro has 455 HP and 455 torque. So the Z needs a power increase. And the Camaro is losing 200 pounds, adding performance dual-mode exhaust, configurable middle dash display, drive modes controlling exhaust/steering/tranny, and magnetic ride shocks.

The Z needs to step it up to keep up.

Magic Bus

Just to keep the information correct, the Z over the last couple of years is selling about 7,000 cars a year in the US, it's on track to do the same in 2015. The GTR on the other hand has just recently sold it's 10,000th car in the USA since it's introduction. The Z sells way more units than the GTR.

wanderer1234

Nissan's chief assistant did mention that they have to revolutionize the Z and not evolutionize it. He mentioned something about taking the Z back to its roots and said they need to make it more affordable.

I want the Z to grow in power and lose weight also but in my humble opinion I don't think it's going to happen. Realistically how many 3000 lb car with 350 HP are around thats about the same price as the Z? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's any. The Porsche is at 60k.

Magic Bus

Must have been a slow day at the office for this writer and he decided to make something up.

Carlos Ghosn is a very savy businessman and because of that, I doubt this will ever occur. Here's why, the Juke sell's about 3K units a month in the US (decent but not even close to the 25-30k unit Altima status). If they create a 2nd model in this lower priced, compact, crossover segment, there is a real possibility that it would just take away from the Juke's sales numbers. So really, creating a 2nd car in a 3k a month sales area? Very dumb business move in my opinion.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Nissan should make the next Z close to a C7 competitor (which sells about 3k units a month) and could possibly release it a year after the new Infiniti Q60 debuts. Keeping their very efficient manufacturing set up of shared architecture as well as manufacturing plant where the Infiniti Q50, Q60, Z & GTR are made. Nissan can share that same 400hp turbo v6 going into the Q60 right into the Z, keep it's weight similar to the current Z and focus on driver feel.

With starting prices of $40-$45k, they will retain they're current sales volume of 600 units per month, plus the real oppotunity to steal some Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, Porsche and BMW customers. IMO this is a much bigger playing field and would not conflict with stealing sales from another Nissan product.

Zcup

If they turn the Z into a crossover, then the resale value of our cars just went up. If the next gen Z is a turbo 4-banger priced at $60K, then my next car will be a Cayman.

I guess I'm just old, but Nissan seems bent on manufacturing ugly cars. The new Maxima looks like some kind of space ship, and the Juke might just be the ugliest car I've ever seen. I'm kind of scared of what the Z35 might look like, whatever it turns out to be. Just one guys opinion. To each his own.

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Z_ealot

nope...that honor goes to the pontiac aztek

DeliriousClam

Am I the only one that actually likes that car?

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2015nismo

No you're not, I remember seeing quite a bit of those in Houston a few years back.

I always thought it looked like the back of them got chopped off and they couldn't figure out what to do, so they left it like that.

markesc

I'd love to be the fly on the wall in those design meetings when they come up with such garbage and all the dumb corporate sell outs say to themselves: "this is the one..."

I feel like a lot of the car design now just takes this checklish approach instead of making a simple cohesive attractive overall shape for the vehicle. Instead they just go down the list: "Giant blacked out grill... check...." "fender vent things....check...."