[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

Hotrodz · 03-21-2017, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah but they can't do it with the same weight, ride height, wheelbase, without ELECTRONICS controlling everything. All we have is VDC for the suspension/wheels and some transmission programs such as Algorithm & SRM/DRM. All our performance comes from being an analog car that has been engineered by human being to perform.

The corvette and camaro have been computer programmed into being good. Electric lsd, steering sensors galore, intelligent correcting left and right. Those have become poor man's Porsche's from an electronic standpoint. As the years grow I'm really beginning to appreciate the Z34 as the last analog car. It truly achieves a balance the rest can't. When people say there corvette is superior to a Z in every way, they are not realizing they have WAY MORE electronics controlling their back wheels than a GTR has controlling 4 wheels.

When we MOD our Z's we are building an old school'is car. A REAL car and I LOVE IT!!!

Our electronic steering shuts off after 20mph so navigation through a parking lot or something that facilitates slow driving is easy. After 20Mph. It shuts off and we have hydraulic steering. These cars today. Always electronic.

YUCK!!!

Something to think about.

You are so spot on and why I love the car. I see guys in the new corvette and one guy in particular in a NSX that are really fast around the track, but their lines suck. The car bails them out of their bad driving habits. One guy posted a video of him smoking around the track in c7 and a couple of instructor lit him up because of his poor car control and course management. The one instructor was like you need to lear how to properly use your throttle as you can see the traction control ligh comes on every time you exit a turn. He told basically that he needed to slow down and learn type to drive so that he could turn off or down the nannies so that he could go faster.

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JARblue · 03-21-2017, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

When we MOD our Z's we are building an old school'is car. A REAL car and I LOVE IT!!!

<3

muhnkey · 03-23-2017, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah but they can't do it with the same weight, ride height, wheelbase, without ELECTRONICS controlling everything. All we have is VDC for the suspension/wheels and some transmission programs such as Algorithm & SRM/DRM. All our performance comes from being an analog car that has been engineered by human being to perform.

The corvette and camaro have been computer programmed into being good. Electric lsd, steering sensors galore, intelligent correcting left and right. Those have become poor man's Porsche's from an electronic standpoint. As the years grow I'm really beginning to appreciate the Z34 as the last analog car. It truly achieves a balance the rest can't. When people say there corvette is superior to a Z in every way, they are not realizing they have WAY MORE electronics controlling their back wheels than a GTR has controlling 4 wheels.

When we MOD our Z's we are building an old school'is car. A REAL car and I LOVE IT!!!

Our electronic steering shuts off after 20mph so navigation through a parking lot or something that facilitates slow driving is easy. After 20Mph. It shuts off and we have hydraulic steering. These cars today. Always electronic.

YUCK!!!

Something to think about.

As someone who loves the Stang and considered jumping ship, I did not because of the steering in the Stang. Even in track mode it has a dead zone. I dated a girl who let me drive her 15 model and it just felt like more of a handful when taking a turn aggressively. The Z glides on rails and for this reason I dont think I'll ever leave me Jessica (Z). I'll get a second car, but always have her in the driveway.

KE_1508 · 03-24-2017, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by muhnkey

As someone who loves the Stang and considered jumping ship, I did not because of the steering in the Stang. Even in track mode it has a dead zone. I dated a girl who let me drive her 15 model and it just felt like more of a handful when taking a turn aggressively. The Z glides on rails and for this reason I dont think I'll ever leave me Jessica (Z). I'll get a second car, but always have her in the driveway.

Thanks for that feedback. Most cars today have that "numbness" in the steering.

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UNKNOWN_370 · 03-26-2017, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by muhnkey

As someone who loves the Stang and considered jumping ship, I did not because of the steering in the Stang. Even in track mode it has a dead zone. I dated a girl who let me drive her 15 model and it just felt like more of a handful when taking a turn aggressively. The Z glides on rails and for this reason I dont think I'll ever leave me Jessica (Z). I'll get a second car, but always have her in the driveway.

Yezzirr, the steering makes the car. Many overlook this for power. If the Z has 86 power levels, maybe I'd overlook it. But 332/350hp is just enough to keep me focused on our Z34.

Too6Z · 03-19-2017, 09:12 AM

I get where you're coming from and you make some valid points. It would be nice is you the Z was available with FI or an upgraded engine, particularly the nismo version. The current features offer very modest hp gains and hardly seem worth the additional cost. Personally, I'm more of a project guy and I enjoy the process of the build. I think of I bought something that was nearly perfect out of the box, I'd tire of it sooner and be looking for something new before long. As with nearly all consumer products each year brings a new version with more exciting features that inevitability make predecessors feel somewhat dated. No matter what you drive, there is always going to be somebody who is faster or can corner better. It's the nature of the beast. I'm sure the guy in the ss has had his doors blown off at some point as well. A Hellcat for example would toast the Camaro. As for comparisons to Porsche, Jag, Audi, etc, all make some remarkable sports cars but they are simply in a different class. If the Z was priced in the 60-80k range, I'm sure it would be just as impressive as an F type or 911, but it would also be out of my price range. If money was no object, I'd be driving the new NSX. Until then I'm just having as much fun as I can within my means.

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Hotrodz · 03-19-2017, 09:57 AM

The deal is I can debate this topic from many perspectives as there are so many variables. The big reality hammer in this discussion when making comparisons is the economy of scale for the manufactures as been brought up here. The big 3 American companies sell more pony cars so their price per unit is less. On the import side we get to make up that difference in price as the Z is not even in the game compared to the number of units sold. It truly is a special niche product and that is what makes the car special...mod on my brother as you can see I gone full stupid in that game and she is always one of the crowd favorites no matter if is at the track or hard parked.

chubbs · 03-19-2017, 02:33 PM

222 days to Tokyo.

KE_1508 · 03-19-2017, 03:52 PM

Hey, but you'll be a better driver, driving a slow car fast compared to driving a fast car slow.

The Z is definitely a car I don't see too often. Hands down though, we all can attest to the Mustangs, Camaros, etc that are driving around. I wish Nissan really took into consideration what "Project Z" was. We all know the next engine will most likely will be FI so atleast it was already made for boost. I feel that Nissan can do better in the handling department.

One takeaway when Hotrodz and I were driving a week ago was, we could still keep up with most of the cars out there in the corners despite the weight of the Z.

A list of wishes for the next Z:

-Make the Nismo version lighter (just like the GT3s and GT3RSs)

-Engine forced inducted from factory (check)

-Handling improvements (Front and Rear sway bar stiffened), I felt the stroke in the suspension was adequate, but the roll wasn't to my liking. It's pretty obvious though.

-Make each model of the next Z more tailored for various drivers.

-Base (standard Z w/o the usual bells and whistles; more milder in suspension setup for ride comfort/handling)

-Sport (a step up in suspension/handling, but still has room to modify for those wanting to track. optional wheel/tire setup, optional radiator/oil cooler)

-Nismo (more track oriented setup [suspension tailored for track use, but compliant on the street], AC delete option, more bolstered Recaros/bucket seat option, square wheel/tire setup option, larger radiator/oil cooler standard)

*of course there would be options for nav/radio/etc.

That would be in my eyes what I wish to see with the new Z.

brucelidat · 03-20-2017, 01:46 AM

I have respect for the Miata. Ton of guys track them because they are light, handle great, and are inexpensive to run. Seems just fine for a fun sports car. It's definitely not fast or for me, but that's not everything and if it's fun for its owners, that's all that matters. They often graduate into s2ks though.

Hotrodz · 03-20-2017, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

I have respect for the Miata. Ton of guys track them because they are light, handle great, and are inexpensive to run. Seems just fine for a fun sports car. It's definitely not fast or for me, but that's not everything and if it's fun for its owners, that's all that matters. They often graduate into s2ks though.

The Miata is the most tracked vehicle in the US!

Chuck33079 · 03-20-2017, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

The Miata is the most tracked vehicle in the US!

Yep. I can see why. Old ones are cheap, consumables cost nothing, and you learn a whole lot more if you're not trying to hold back 600hp at the same time.

They're a ton of fun on the street too. You can hang the *** end out around every corner, tires squealing, and not even break the speed limit. Even though you're going 30 mph, it feels like you're going twice that since it's low to the ground and tiny. My sister had one for a few years and I loved borrowing it for errands. It is really spooky driving it on the freeway, though. You come halfway up the tire on an 18 wheeler. He wouldn't even feel it if he ran over a Miata.

MagmaRed370z · 03-29-2017, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

I have respect for the Miata. Ton of guys track them because they are light, handle great, and are inexpensive to run. Seems just fine for a fun sports car.

Dirk McGurck · 03-20-2017, 07:31 AM

If the S2K came back, there would be a lot of guys jumping from Zs and Miatas.

mishuko · 03-20-2017, 03:06 PM

This got stickied? What in tarnation?

I have seen videos of a non booster s2000 do a nurburgring lap and pass plenty faster cars. Driver mod is highly underrated.

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03-19-2017, 09:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	The deal is I can debate this topic from many perspectives as there are so many variables. The big reality hammer in this discussion when making comparisons is the economy of scale for the manufactures as been brought up here. The big 3 American companies sell more pony cars so their price per unit is less. On the import side we get to make up that difference in price as the Z is not even in the game compared to the number of units sold. It truly is a special niche product and that is what makes the car special...mod on my brother as you can see I gone full stupid in that game and she is always one of the crowd favorites no matter if is at the track or hard parked. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

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03-19-2017, 03:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
KE_1508 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: AZ/GA Posts: 72 Drives: 08 Nismo 350Z # 1508 Rep Power: 9	Hey, but you'll be a better driver, driving a slow car fast compared to driving a fast car slow. The Z is definitely a car I don't see too often. Hands down though, we all can attest to the Mustangs, Camaros, etc that are driving around. I wish Nissan really took into consideration what "Project Z" was. We all know the next engine will most likely will be FI so atleast it was already made for boost. I feel that Nissan can do better in the handling department. One takeaway when Hotrodz and I were driving a week ago was, we could still keep up with most of the cars out there in the corners despite the weight of the Z. A list of wishes for the next Z: -Make the Nismo version lighter (just like the GT3s and GT3RSs) -Engine forced inducted from factory (check) -Handling improvements (Front and Rear sway bar stiffened), I felt the stroke in the suspension was adequate, but the roll wasn't to my liking. It's pretty obvious though. -Make each model of the next Z more tailored for various drivers. -Base (standard Z w/o the usual bells and whistles; more milder in suspension setup for ride comfort/handling) -Sport (a step up in suspension/handling, but still has room to modify for those wanting to track. optional wheel/tire setup, optional radiator/oil cooler) -Nismo (more track oriented setup [suspension tailored for track use, but compliant on the street], AC delete option, more bolstered Recaros/bucket seat option, square wheel/tire setup option, larger radiator/oil cooler standard) of course there would be options for nav/radio/etc. That would be in my eyes what I wish to see with the new Z. Last edited by KE_1508; 03-19-2017 at 04:14 PM.*

03-20-2017, 01:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 31	I have respect for the Miata. Ton of guys track them because they are light, handle great, and are inexpensive to run. Seems just fine for a fun sports car. It's definitely not fast or for me, but that's not everything and if it's fun for its owners, that's all that matters. They often graduate into s2ks though. __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

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03-19-2017, 09:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Too6Z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 47 Posts: 84 Drives: 16 370z Gun Metallic Rep Power: 10	I get where you're coming from and you make some valid points. It would be nice is you the Z was available with FI or an upgraded engine, particularly the nismo version. The current features offer very modest hp gains and hardly seem worth the additional cost. Personally, I'm more of a project guy and I enjoy the process of the build. I think of I bought something that was nearly perfect out of the box, I'd tire of it sooner and be looking for something new before long. As with nearly all consumer products each year brings a new version with more exciting features that inevitability make predecessors feel somewhat dated. No matter what you drive, there is always going to be somebody who is faster or can corner better. It's the nature of the beast. I'm sure the guy in the ss has had his doors blown off at some point as well. A Hellcat for example would toast the Camaro. As for comparisons to Porsche, Jag, Audi, etc, all make some remarkable sports cars but they are simply in a different class. If the Z was priced in the 60-80k range, I'm sure it would be just as impressive as an F type or 911, but it would also be out of my price range. If money was no object, I'd be driving the new NSX. Until then I'm just having as much fun as I can within my means. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

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mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9435	This got stickied? What in tarnation? I have seen videos of a non booster s2000 do a nurburgring lap and pass plenty faster cars. Driver mod is highly underrated. ( Click to show/hide ) BECAUSE SOMEONE MAKES ME FUNNY OF ME Last edited by mishuko; 03-20-2017 at 03:31 PM.

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