[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

SINISTER · 03-17-2017, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Volk Z

The new Z isn't going to be 65K... you can go get an Infiniti Q60 red sport for 50K....

The new Z would be priced 35-40k for regular and 45-49k for Nismo upper versions.

Maybe , but this which was discussed earlier in the thread, would probably be...but then again will probably never be produced.

KE_1508 · 03-18-2017, 11:24 AM

The thing that really surprised me was how quickly the car depreciated over the years. I look back and remembered these were sub 50k (depending on model). Now anyone for the most part can jump into one especially the 350s.

Hotrodz and I discussed this as well a week ago. Nissan needs to step up their game to compete with the mustangs, camaros, etc.

In regards to the Infiniti, that Renault model looks great, but again I think the whole weight of the car will spoil the handling. I'll admit that the Z is not the lightest, but responds pretty quickly considering its size/weight. In relation, the grand tour reviewed the RCF. The first thing Jeremy commented on was the weight. He was hoping it would inherit what made the LFA so great. Yes, this is comparing apples to oranges because we all know how long Toyota/Lexus took to develop that car.

That is how I feel with the Z. They can make it so much better from an enthusiast standpoint. We all knew what we wanted back when Nissan did that Project Z car.

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Too6Z · 03-18-2017, 03:20 PM

Although you can get more hp in a Mustang or Camaro, I personally wouldn't be caught dead in either. These days they are nearly as commonplace as Accords and Camarys, not an admirable quality in a sports car.

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SINISTER · 03-19-2017, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Too6Z

Although you can get more hp in a Mustang or Camaro, I personally wouldn't be caught dead in either. These days they are nearly as commonplace as Accords and Camarys, not an admirable quality in a sports car.

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Agreed, It used to be that the supply of high HP cars was limited unless you spent a fortune. Now anyone can get a high HP car ..
Z beats those cars in reliability, looks, handling, cost and usable HP.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-18-2017, 06:31 PM

I don't think we need to compete with muscle. I think the Z has to built out of principle, not profit. Our cars have their own heritage. We don't have to compete against ANYONE except Porsche and jaguar.

Hotrodz · 03-19-2017, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I don't think we need to compete with muscle. I think the Z has to built out of principle, not profit. Our cars have their own heritage. We don't have to compete against ANYONE except Porsche and jaguar.

So does the Mazda MX5...

SINISTER · 03-19-2017, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

So does the Mazda MX5...

Cool car for a girl..
Horse power has gotten to be excessive and unusable but 155 hp? Thats 3 less than a honda civic base model....

zeeder · 03-19-2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SINISTER

Cool car for a girl..
Horse power has gotten to be excessive and unusable but 155 hp? Thats 3 less than a honda civic base model....

Though, the civic weighs 400 lbs more!

SINISTER · 03-19-2017, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

Though, the civic weighs 400 lbs more!

Divide your Z's present HP by 2 and its still higher than the miata.

Try this....google "MX5 for girls?" Tons of people asking the question, confirming it is, or defending it isn't.
Then ask yourself if you want to spend multiple years defending your purchase against the "girls car" stereotype.

Jordo! · 03-20-2017, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeder

Though, the civic weighs 400 lbs more!

And has the wrong wheels doing the work.

Put a roots blower or turbo on a new MX-5, and it will have plenty of punch and kick everyone's *** all day.

If I can't swing an Alfa 4C for my next car, I'm going to have to seriously think about one of those in RF trim with some boost.

Hotrodz · 03-19-2017, 12:42 AM

My personal opinion is in comparing the Z to the muscle cars is strictly about performance to the dollar. I bought the Z for its uniqueness like most folks on this thread. I would gladly cough up another $5 to $10k to get the same upgrades that come with the latest models SS and GT muscle cars. Them damn things out the box are as nimble or more than than the Z with the same amount of money put into a Z with aftermarket components...and it will take you that much money to level the playing field with them. I got my *** waxed by a guy in a brand new SS Camero in the rain on a track day. Yeah, he is a better driver but that damn car lives up to the hype.

I am a Z fan through and through and even given the performance of the new Cameros and Mustangs, they are beast compared to the feeling I get when sitting in and handling my Z. I just would like a Z that starts at the same place as the before mentioned muscle cars. And for comparing the Z to the Porsche, Jag, Vett and Audi TT for me only speaks to the feeling of what a sportscar should feel like...you can't get that from a muscle car or even a GTR!

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-21-2017, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

My personal opinion is in comparing the Z to the muscle cars is strictly about performance to the dollar. I bought the Z for its uniqueness like most folks on this thread. I would gladly cough up another $5 to $10k to get the same upgrades that come with the latest models SS and GT muscle cars. Them damn things out the box are as nimble or more than than the Z with the same amount of money put into a Z with aftermarket components...and it will take you that much money to level the playing field with them. I got my *** waxed by a guy in a brand new SS Camero in the rain on a track day. Yeah, he is a better driver but that damn car lives up to the hype.

I am a Z fan through and through and even given the performance of the new Cameros and Mustangs, they are beast compared to the feeling I get when sitting in and handling my Z. I just would like a Z that starts at the same place as the before mentioned muscle cars. And for comparing the Z to the Porsche, Jag, Vett and Audi TT for me only speaks to the feeling of what a sportscar should feel like...you can't get that from a muscle car or even a GTR!

Yeah but they can't do it with the same weight, ride height, wheelbase, without ELECTRONICS controlling everything. All we have is VDC for the suspension/wheels and some transmission programs such as Algorithm & SRM/DRM. All our performance comes from being an analog car that has been engineered by human being to perform.

The corvette and camaro have been computer programmed into being good. Electric lsd, steering sensors galore, intelligent correcting left and right. Those have become poor man's Porsche's from an electronic standpoint. As the years grow I'm really beginning to appreciate the Z34 as the last analog car. It truly achieves a balance the rest can't. When people say there corvette is superior to a Z in every way, they are not realizing they have WAY MORE electronics controlling their back wheels than a GTR has controlling 4 wheels.

When we MOD our Z's we are building an old school'is car. A REAL car and I LOVE IT!!!

Our electronic steering shuts off after 20mph so navigation through a parking lot or something that facilitates slow driving is easy. After 20Mph. It shuts off and we have hydraulic steering. These cars today. Always electronic.

YUCK!!!

Something to think about.

sx moneypit · 03-21-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah but they can't do it with the same weight, ride height, wheelbase, without ELECTRONICS controlling everything. All we have is VDC for the suspension/wheels and some transmission programs such as Algorithm & SRM/DRM. All our performance comes from being an analog car that has been engineered by human being to perform.

The corvette and camaro have been computer programmed into being good. Electric lsd, steering sensors galore, intelligent correcting left and right. Those have become poor man's Porsche's from an electronic standpoint. As the years grow I'm really beginning to appreciate the Z34 as the last analog car. It truly achieves a balance the rest can't. When people say there corvette is superior to a Z in every way, they are not realizing they have WAY MORE electronics controlling their back wheels than a GTR has controlling 4 wheels.

When we MOD our Z's we are building an old school'is car. A REAL car and I LOVE IT!!!

OUR ELECTRONIC STEERING shuts off after 20mph so navigation through a parking lot or something that facilitates slow driving is easy. After 20Mph. It shuts off and we have hydraulic steering. These cars today. Always electronic.

YUCK!!!

Something to think about.

The Z has no electronic steering assist.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-21-2017, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by schellingr

60k for the new Z is ridiculous. I would consider it starting at 33-34k all the way up to 41k. That's what happened to the Z32, they ramped up the price and they made a huge mistake.

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Originally Posted by sx moneypit

The Z has no electronic steering assist.

Yes if does. Hydraulic steer power assist, that's an electronic system that shuts off once u pass 15 or 20mph that's why the Z steering is numb under 20mph.

sx moneypit · 03-21-2017, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yes if does. Hydraulic steer power assist, that's an electronic system that shuts off once u pass 15 or 20mph that's why the Z steering is numb under 20mph.

It has an electronic power steering valve that controls the flow of the fluid but it doesn't have any electric assist.

03-18-2017, 03:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Too6Z Base Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 47 Posts: 84 Drives: 16 370z Gun Metallic Rep Power: 10	Although you can get more hp in a Mustang or Camaro, I personally wouldn't be caught dead in either. These days they are nearly as commonplace as Accords and Camarys, not an admirable quality in a sports car. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Last edited by Too6Z; 03-18-2017 at 03:33 PM.

03-18-2017, 06:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	I don't think we need to compete with muscle. I think the Z has to built out of principle, not profit. Our cars have their own heritage. We don't have to compete against ANYONE except Porsche and jaguar. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	My personal opinion is in comparing the Z to the muscle cars is strictly about performance to the dollar. I bought the Z for its uniqueness like most folks on this thread. I would gladly cough up another $5 to $10k to get the same upgrades that come with the latest models SS and GT muscle cars. Them damn things out the box are as nimble or more than than the Z with the same amount of money put into a Z with aftermarket components...and it will take you that much money to level the playing field with them. I got my * waxed by a guy in a brand new SS Camero in the rain on a track day. Yeah, he is a better driver but that damn car lives up to the hype. I am a Z fan through and through and even given the performance of the new Cameros and Mustangs, they are beast compared to the feeling I get when sitting in and handling my Z. I just would like a Z that starts at the same place as the before mentioned muscle cars. And for comparing the Z to the Porsche, Jag, Vett and Audi TT for me only speaks to the feeling of what a sportscar should feel like...you can't get that from a muscle car or even a GTR! __________________ Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX**\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

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03-18-2017, 11:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
KE_1508 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: AZ/GA Posts: 72 Drives: 08 Nismo 350Z # 1508 Rep Power: 9	The thing that really surprised me was how quickly the car depreciated over the years. I look back and remembered these were sub 50k (depending on model). Now anyone for the most part can jump into one especially the 350s. Hotrodz and I discussed this as well a week ago. Nissan needs to step up their game to compete with the mustangs, camaros, etc. In regards to the Infiniti, that Renault model looks great, but again I think the whole weight of the car will spoil the handling. I'll admit that the Z is not the lightest, but responds pretty quickly considering its size/weight. In relation, the grand tour reviewed the RCF. The first thing Jeremy commented on was the weight. He was hoping it would inherit what made the LFA so great. Yes, this is comparing apples to oranges because we all know how long Toyota/Lexus took to develop that car. That is how I feel with the Z. They can make it so much better from an enthusiast standpoint. We all knew what we wanted back when Nissan did that Project Z car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk