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More than fine for me too :tup:

it can't go that high... they already don't sell that many of them. if they push it that high they will sell even less. the price has to stay the same.

The current Nismo Tech isn't too far off from that number so I could see the base model having, say, 380 hp starting around $30-35k and the Nismo having in the neighborhood of 420 for $50k fully loaded.

It really depends what's in the packaging of the car.

The 1SS CAMARO will be close to $38,000 and the 2SS close $42,000. Throw in a $800 dual mode exhaust and you get 460hp for that money and a 4second car that weighs 3,600lbs. Very light for the performance.

If the Z was 3,000lbs even, 380hp v6TT with as many tech features as the new Camaro. I can see that starting at $40,000 even. With a 2+2 option a la Z32 for $43,000. I think it will sell.
Make a NISMO version, with the Mercedes speed shift DCT, 440hp and a weight of 3100lbs, for $50,000 loaded? I think it will sell.
Nissan and Mercedes already said any pure sports entries into the market will have hydraulic rack and pinion steering. Giving Nissan/Mercedes the edge of being drivers cars as they will be the ONLY modern production sports cars to give drivers REAL FEEDBACK outside of Alfa.

The C63S sedan beat out the M4 and ATS-V as being the best drivers car of the sport sedan segment. Bringing the feedback into cars again will be worth the extra coin.

The AMG GTS also being touted as one of the best drivers cars outside of the Alfa 4c. Nissan just needs to execute it perfectly...

I'm sure it's been talked about on here but maybe Nissan hasn't been holding out on us. They might be using the 400hp 3 cylinder turbo engine in the next Z. Wishful thinking I guess

well from what the guy told me, it won't be lighter. it's going to stay at around 3,300 as what it is now (for the base).

when the price starts getting high it starts to get into other car territories. you can find used gtr's for 50k now. you can get a nice used z06 for 45-50k... i know these are used cars and not new, but when you get into that price range, the amount of "faster" cars you can get begin to go up.

i honestly don't think there are that many true z enthusiasts that can support the car if it went to mid 40s to 50k.

nissans goal is to sell as many units as they can.

I disagree respectfully of course :tiphat:

let's just look back a little and the jump between the top model 2008 350 and the top model 2009 370 was about 5-6k. I mean the sticker on my 2009 was 44k so mid 40's is what these are now and it's not a bad price. you throw a TT engine at me maybe some updated tech in the interior as well i'm happy for mid 40s. I really cant think of another car in the mid 40s I would take over a TT Z even if it is a used Z06. have you ever driven an older vette? not that special lol

hey, you do not disagree with me at all! :icon14:

the reason it sold is, because it was a new car. it wasn't out before and it competed in the market place so people wanted to buy it. the year(s) after that the 370z kept selling less and less. the problem is, they make a car and leave it the same for years to come and expect it to sell when other car manufacturers update their cars almost every year. also, i've never drove any vette lol.

you kinda got Nissan's main fault in there being that they haven't updated the Z aside front changing the front bumper (horrible btw) in 2013 then the new nismo body kit in 2015. the tech and performance has not changed since the 2009's came out 6 years ago. it's hard to draw in more people to a car that's this deep into its lifespan when many new cars or updates have came out across the board.

for the Z to sell it's time for the next one.

as for a vette I dig the new model. the C6 was ok but prior to that they were blahhhh until you go back enough to hit the stingray of the 70s and older.

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hybrid z ftw

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You're speaking in hypothetics. Your friend who is giving you info doesn't know what he's talking about because the only people who know the weight of the next Z are in the actual production lab. There's Been "NO INFO WHATSOEVER" and the most viable info we have is that the next Z will be a suped up Juke 3 door. The 5 door Juke is 2800lbs Soooooo? Even with the most ridiculous rumor in automotive history. The Z would probably be down 550lbs in weight. No one knows anything. So don't trust what you hear. It's as much speculation as this whole thread.

As far as no enthusiasts willing to pay? The only reason why people complain about the Z's power, in reality. It's cuz, our engines cost over $15,000 to properly add forced induction with a proper suspension tune to hold the power. If you own an auto. $23,000.

The Z still out handles all of the competition. The Z, if it remains at the same exact price? All they have to do is compete with the v6 Camaro, ecoboost Mustang and the challenger R/T.
The Z is soon to be no longer the fastest v6 on the market. Because we were stagnant and other vehicles progressed. They caught up to us.

We WILL NOT be able to compete with V8's without adding a premium to the price.

Mercedes gave infiniti, the turbo 4 for the Q50 and it will be an identical 208hp as in the C300.

Nissan may adopt the C400 engine which is a turbo 3.0 cranking 328hp. Maybe the Z will continue to only push 332hp. But if it has a turbo engine? Expect a $3,000 premium on that alone. If the in-house tune it and it's 400hp off the rip to compete with v8's? Expect it to cost in the range of v'8's just like the 09 z34. The Mustang was 30,000 back then. So was the Z. So look at a Mustang GT base price. And I give you the price of a 380-400hp Z.

People will pay cuz the Z driving experience is incomparable to other cars in the range. Muscle are all inherently similar. Just each model is better at one particular thing over the other..

I pretty much agree. I also believe Nissan can and should do it. They already have the tooling for the engine. One could expect current Cayman S performance (95% anyway) but let's be reasonable, to make a profit, and they are allowed and SHOULD, the car ain't gonna be a Benz or a Q. It'll be a bit...rough. Just like the Z34. But better than the Z34 in every way from interior to mechanicals. I've joked about the Z35 as a truck, I honestly don't believe Nissan is capable of destroying an icon. It literally would be blasphemy. Worst case, it's on hiatus for 4 years. If that's the case enjoy the sh*t out of your Z34.

You guys are almost embarrassing with your pipe dreams about tt 3.0 new z"s and all that mumbo jumbo.

The z failed in sales and even the Nissan heads admitted they need to downsize for a more fuel efficient engine and it may not even be called a z! Nissan has no clue what they're doing all they do is release cvt garbage and they are bottom of the consumer ratings report and the leaders of recalls.
But ya keep speculating and typing nonsense about 400hp z "s and stupid rumors that aren't even confirmed.

I...... think....all .....of..........you .......guys.......are.......DELUSIONAL !!!!!!!


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Wonder when are the men in the white jackets coming to get you all.................hehe..........hoho............ .....haha......................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..:eek:........................................... .................................................. ..............:icon14:...................... :rofl2:

2016 Infiniti Q50 Finally Adding Turbocharged Four-Cylinder Engine Option

See when dumb azzes speak. No one listens. :facepalm:

As we can see. The Q50 is already sourced with a Mercedes engine. I believe the Q chassis is 160lbs lighter than the G. Putting the car around 3500lbs I imagine the turbo 4 would be approximately 80lbs lighter than the 6. That's about 3,420. Inherently, the Z is 400lbs lighter than the Q

If Nissan follows all recent traditions in the Z, it may mimic certain aspects of the Q? Also first rumor that had validity was multiple engines for the Z. So an entry level turbo4 is possible.

I would imagine Nissan would tune it for at least 240horses. If the Z shares the gripz/Juke chassis? Cut down to sports car size? The Z May be as light as 2500lbs with a 240hp 4 banger entry car? 208 to 211 is guaranteed From the Benz Engine.

When you look at facts that you find in between the rumor mill? You can easily see where the possibilities are?

When you're a dumb pos troll using consumer reports as your guideline to prove a non point... And you think people are delusional with no real basis or rationalization, and your only deductions come in the formation of repeated dots to prove a non point. You kill a thread horribly and you insult the intelligence of your peers and make a fool of yourselves.

The ones who should be embarrassed are the ones dribbling useless unsubstantiated rhetoric to make opinionated claims.

Jungle Z:gtfo2: you :supergay:

edit....old article:shakes head:

Did I every call you any names? NO! So why start!

Well.... read an article too. It said that Nissan is putting the new Z on hold. Nissan was to have a 3 tiered sports car models. The GT-R, followed by the new Z, then an entry level based on the IDX. But because of poor sales of the FR-Z. Nissan is rethinking it's line up. So now then might be only two sports cars. The GT-R, and a entry level 4 banger called the Z maybe.

There have been so many articles written about what Nissan is doing. You don't know what to believe. And Nissan isn't talking.

Me delusional? No....I'm not sitting here. Posting what I hope Nissan will bring out. Nissan will bring to market on what it thinks it can sell. But, it's good entertainment.

This is the first ~Z~ i've ever owned.
at 6'6"285,,, i have no problems with leg or head room.
i have less leg room in a Camaro,Mustang & Vette.
I'm one of those people who don't sell or trade vehicles;I love mine!!!

Again. 385-420ish hp, most likely from a boosted 6. Drop 100lbs. Fresh new design = will sell.

At the end of the day. All Nissan has dropped is riddles.truths combined with lies.

The dumb azz or troll comment wasn't geared toward you. But the dot comment was. We're not delusional. Just curious and hopeful. If it bothers y'all that we speculate? There's thousands of threads in the forum. No one has to be here if it's uninteresting.

But answering what you're saying. They canned the whole idx idea in exchange for a multi-engined Z at one point... So??? More speculation.

It makes more sense to make multiple tiers of Z's like Camaro and Mustang do than to make a third sports car.

But then again... Anything is possible? Like you said, Nissan will put out what they think it can sell.

The 2016 Camaro was designed based on forum chatter. So I would hope Nissan is seeing our enthusiasm and hoping they want to win our hearts into yet another Z product? To do that. Being the largest Z34 community. I'm sure Nissan observes our critiques.and in some cases, stupid comments.

Have to agree with you on the Camaro. Chevy has gearheads in the right places in management. Nissan has accountants and engineers in management. Very few headgeads. Because of the accountants. They're trying to design a car to fit a price point that they (the bean counters) think will sell. Never mind what the gearheads in the company is telling them. Just look at some of the stuff they have released lately. Too me, none of it is appealing. Who Nissan needs, is someone like Ralph over at Dodge SRT.

The multiple tier, multiple engine may sound good. But look at past Nissan history. They never really did much of that with cars. On the trucks they have.

Guess my sarcastic humor was missed. People are delusional when they post big hp numbers. Look around at everything. All the companies are going smaller. Hell, Dodge is dropping the Hemi in 2019. Going with 4's and V6's. Porsche is going smaller too, sooner. Have wait and see on what drops out of the tree.

$60K for next new Z35?
 

I'll chime in... And if nissan is reading please take my top ten as a recipe for the Z35 id like to see for about 50k (60k seems a little too high for my pocket book for a non luxury car)
1. 400+ twin turbo v6
2. 2+2 configuration (let's get that kick back from our insurance shall we)
3. Interior upgrade from a materials stand point (even the nismo still feels like a sport IMO)
4. Tech package needs to be standard on the z35 (and lose the fake car noise thing... Seriously I have a PS4 for that)
5. Continue to offer base / sport / and Nismo models (point of difference between base and sport can be the power plant base: 4 single turbo / sport: 6 tt / nismo: 6tt with a tune less considerate to mpg
6. Clean up and define aero differences between nismo and non nismo models (they've gotten too close) and bring back the number plate
7. Upgrade suspension to include ability to adjust camber to +\- 3.0 degrees (because racecar)
8. Upgrade to slotted/drilled rotors on sport and nismo models
9. Paddle shifters on all models. AT/MT shouldn't matter
10. Last but not least put the damn thing into production already I'm over waiting!

50k is still to expensive. That's why the last gen of Z's were discontinued

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In reality. When I think about it. I'm going to combine some rumors and some real concepts and create a scenario for you guys. I think all of us, including me have gotten caught up in numbers.

Fact. The Nissan Juke weighs 2866lbs with 5 doors.
Fact. The GripZ is a 3 door RWD VERSION of the Juke.
They are saying the GripZ is the next Z.

What if? It's just the chassis that's being used as the next Z chassis???

Remember, one of the first rumors about the z was it will be on a separate chassis from the infiniti FM platform.

If a Juke is 2866lbs? How much would a GripZ weigh without the back doors? Just looking at a 4 seat g37 coupe vs a 370z. It loses 400lbs. In the case of the grip Z vs a Juke... It would be 2866 minus let's say 300lbs. Then lower the routine to car height and we probably lose another 80 to 100lbs?

So a GripZ is probably 2,566 lbs.

A derived Z could be 2,450lbs with a 2.0t engine with 212hp off the same chassis???? Let's be pessimistic and say 2,550lbs.

That brings me to a car like the Alfa Romeo4c which weighs 2,300lbs, has a 2.0t with DCT, gets 238hp but gets to 60 in 4.5 seconds. It's top speed is 175mph.

At that weight, a 2.0 turbo Z would be competitive with v8 muscle at a third of the displacement like the 4c. Maybe not as fast though. Probably getting to 60 in 5 seconds and a top speed of 155mph.

Let's say, Nissan takes this same chassis and makes a second Z with the Mercedes 3.0 v6 turbo and keeps the same 332hp but this car weighs in at an even 2,700lbs.

A car of this weight would be a marvel and change the game.

The lightweight GripZ chassis is there. ☑
The proven jatco 7at is there. ☑
The Mercedes derived engines. There! ☑
The know-how based off all there Juke experience to make a ultralight vehicle. There. ☑

It's not far fetched fellas. In fact every aspect of the core of my analysis comes from facts. Not rumors.:tiphat:

^^I like the way you think. Your observations would make an awesome Z imo.

Well I mentioned something similar. ENGINE OPTIONS!
if Nissan wants to sell more, I never understood why they didn't offer a 4cynlinder engine option. It would of been cheaper and therefore more people could of afford it.
It makes sense.
Let's hope a 4 crapper isn't the only engine option.
And it doesn't look like a juke.

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Isnt the 4c only 2300lbs because it lacks every amenity possible, even a radio and A/C?

Maybe we should change the title of the thread to" Wish List for the New Z." :icon17:

My idea. :D

Use the Alfa Romeo 4C as an idea for base construction. The carbon fiber tub with bolt-on aluminum sub-frames, plastic/carbon fiber body panels. It still can be a front mid-engine sports car (think the lay-out like a small Viper ACR, but not the look). 3L V6, twin turbo, 400 or so hp. 6 speed sequential tranny. 6 piston front, 4 piston rear brakes. A true LSD. Computer nannies that you have full control over. Like Rain, Street, Race mode. Fully adjustable suspension. 100" wheelbase. 19" rims with 295's front, and 345's rear of sticky rubber. Think the weight could be under 2,800 lbs. Price, depends on how far you want to go with the light weight stuff, and the quality of the parts. :driving:

If so, no thanks. Plus its not worth 60k

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And then u woke up from your sleep lol

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like i said before, the z should never have a 4 banger for its power plant, its meant to have 6.

if you drop a 4 banger turbo, just bring back the 240sx. competitive with all the new 4 cylinder engines on the market now.

Well it needs engine options to compete with other 4 Cyn cars. If it can't stay competitive with price then history will repeat itself. If the rumors r true then its going to happen. Making the Z a different style hell not even the same car

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Like I said. It's a wish list, idea. Nothing more. It's doable, but at what price point? 10 yrs down the road. Some company like Ferrari will build it, because V8's, V10's and anything over 5 liters will be a thing of the past. :(

no friend is giving me anything, i don't know the guy. it was a guy that works at nissan, that's an enthusiast and he said that's what he heard from the people from nissan.

it is a little ridiculous that it costs 15-20k to add boost to the car.

the z sold the most units when it came out in 2009, every year after that it's been down. they average about 7k a year. that is partially to z getting left behind and other car manufacturers upgrading their cars.

it is mainly just speculation right now what the next z will be, if there will be one. but if they do come out and are in the 50k price range, i'll just get a used gtr.

soooooooooooo the info is released and it's all said and done we gang banging this guy?

i'll bring the lube......or we just using blood as lube?

:stirthepot:

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i vote for blood

I am a huge Z fan. Ive owned 2 350z's and a Nismo 370z. What I suspect if the new Z is released and they don't cut from the lineup (its always a possibility) is the following.

Nissan has made numerous comments about a revolution not evolution as well as a lighter more compact car. I actually test drove a BRZ the other day for fun and the size felt ok for my 5"9 150 pounds but I couldn't imagine that car for a larger person. The new Z will need to be larger then that but still retain a weight of 3000 pounds or under to compete with a 4 cylinder turbo option.

That being said the BRZ weighs around 2700ish pounds. With 200hp it is very slow.
If the new Z can shoot for a sub 3000 weight and having a lower end 4 cylinder turbo option with 240-260hp and a V6TT option with around 400hp they would then beat out the FRS/BRZ with the lower end and the mustang/Camaro end with the upper end.

Pricing would need to be appropriate like below
Base Z35- $28,000-$31,000 (4 Cylinder Turbo)
V6TT Z35- $38,000- $45,000 (6 cylinder turbo)

There should also be a significant exterior change for the 4cyl vs the 6 cyl.
One thing I hate about the Mustang is ALL models pretty much look the same. Nissan needs to make the higher end like a top of the line Vette vs the base.
Things like functional vents, carbon parts, lower stance, bigger brakes etc for the higher performance model.

I will say as of right now for 2016 new model cars there is nothing I would buy. The new STI is ugly, The EVO is dead, the 2016 370z with the noise cancelling crap, Honda and Toyota offer nothing, the new mustang is fun to drive but where I live its like the most common car purchased. THe brs/frs is just too damn slow for me coming from a Nismo 370z and a modded 350Z.

I am very hopeful in Toyota or Nissan releasing something amazing in the next 2 years that will be like the 90s where amazing Japanese cars ruled the car world!

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Well I think the new sti sedan not the crappy shitty looking hatch backs looks pretty good

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