[OFFICIAL] Discussion for the next new Nissan 400Z Z35?

ZHighlander

What I mean is, if someone's completely reliant on the autopilot and is too distracted to do any defensive driving. Yep, we'll see.


Yep, already read the news on those. We've got a loooong ways to go, but like it or not, autonomous driving is in the future.

Jordo!

Autopilot tech is not one I embrace so readily either... here's why:

1. In keeping with your posted links, yes, they are responsible for killing people.

2. Even if they were able to, ya know, not plow into things and murder the person in the car, eventually whatever passes for its AI would have to make a decision on who or what gets hit in an unavoidable collision.

Soooo... say you blow a tire, and coming to a completely safe stop is physically impossible. Now the ECU has to decide whether to plow into a tree, a ditch, another person, etc.

How is that problem to be worked out? How is that decision to be made? What algorithm can be held accountable (or forgivable) for that decision?

This situation would make the "unintended acceleration" problem look like a bad joke.

Whether or not a human driver makes a good vs. bad (or lucky vs. unlucky) maneuver, a human response to an emergency is still likely to be quite different (if not "better") than even a highly sophisticated AI program -- and we aren't quite at that level of tech yet...

By making the emergency response an AI problem, you would need some very clear, consensus agreed-upon ethical guidelines programmed in at minimum, but, ultimately, it still means a "robot" would have to decide who lives or dies.

Even Rick Deckard wouldn't be be able to reconcile that one very easily... he'd have to retire the car.

If they can at least get robot cars to stop crashing into things that are otherwise easily avoidable, I'd be more open to the idea... it could prevent a lot of accidents by sleepy/intoxicated/distracted/etc drivers, but first we need to see evidence that such cars won't go out of their way to cause accidents instead of avoiding them.

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Cyber370

Damn! Has society become so lazy that they don't even want to drive their cars anymore?? I mean what's next, we'll have robots having sex with our wives because we don't want to miss a football game? Ummmmm.......don't answer that. LOL


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Dirk McGurck

Easiest way to get the driverless cars going is to only have them on highways, and in their own section of the highway like an express lane. That way the computers only have to deal with each other rather than human elements.

And if that happens, the manual control parts of the road may start to empty out, freeing up space for the rest of us. Win/win

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NRTim

I hope we have the option of not wanting that tech

Jordo!

With most cars moving autonomously and a few wildcard drivers slaloming their way through, it would make for an interesting game of "chicken", that's for sure...

Unless I was in need of a nap, I have a bad feeling I'd probably play chicken and hope the robots can cope.

Anyway, I guess buying self-driving cars is one way for taxpayers to avoid having to invest in high-speed rail...

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Dirk McGurck

What I'm saying is the autos are on their own road, probably clipping along at 90MPH, while manual control cars on on their own road with normal speed limits.

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FPenvy

90mph is my normal highway speed......

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Dirk McGurck

I did say autos...

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laserbluemini

i was sitting in a tesla the other day and my friend was driving with autopilot on. the point of autopilot isnt to make decisions for u. it requires you to focus on the driving without actually driving.
kinda like cruise control except now it stays in lane and avoid hitting the car in front for u.
kinda like an airplane.

i guess u guys mean full auto mode like u pick a location and it delivers u there. but that should still require someone to be "driving" just not actually driving.


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UNKNOWN_370

They can call it the Prius-Tesla Interstate.
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JARblue

What they need to do is stop half-a$$ing the implementation of technology. Either you are in full control of the vehicle or something else is in full control. None of this "well you don't have to do anything but you still have to pay attention" bull$hit like the current iterations. Of course, giving over full control to AI is extremely problematic in itself, like Jordo! points out. Although, I'm not convinced that an incompetent driver not paying attention has any chance of making a "better" decision in an emergency than a well-developed AI.

Frankly, the way I see it, the main problem is way too many people have drivers licenses to begin with, which makes everyone feel fuckin entitled to drive. If we made the driving test so that only competent people could get a license, the roads would be much safer.

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laserbluemini

or make driver license test vehicles manual only. that will eliminate tons of drivers lol.


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