Might very well be a GLA/Q30 based Nissan variant. Depending on it's abilities/looks, I might very well be interested. I peruse through this inundated wasteland of a thread and feel like the only person mildly interested in it, Z or not.

When Ralph Gilles speaks, people listen. Wish Nissan had someone like him.

SRT Planning Track-Focused Challenger To Rival New Camaro Z/28: Report

So............it's going to be a bicycle. :eek:

But none of those cars do what the Z does.

Drive the Z, then drive a Mustang GT. If you think they're more or less the same thing, then get the Mustang GT, because it's faster.

I don't own a Z to race from stoplight to stoplight, I own a Z because of how it drives.

The GRIPZ...

Like... Gripes. :bowrofl:

Ive owned both, and the mustang is completely on par in handling. Especially the track pack, is it a different feel, yes, becuase its a different car... But if feels is all your after then a brz/frs/miata/s2k all feel better than the Z. Since we arent talking about "stop light racing". All those cars handle and feel equal and better than the Z. Hell even an rx8 is a track star.... Track times vs drag times confirm all this. The Z is supoosed to be a balance of power and finesse and its getting left behind in both segments for equal to or less money. If feel is all your after, nissan with its despicable turbo 4 miata competitor suggestion is heading in the right direction for you

For the rest of us, we want more power, less weight, and a turbo 6.

Well... many of us want a fast car AND good feel AND good handling, hence the Z. Sure there are other cars out there that have all of these, but the Z does these pretty well and you can score one relatively cheap in the used market. That's what stands out about the Z, to me.

- Mustang is fast and handles well (though I don't agree its on par with Z, regular mustang though no track package) but doesn't feel as agile.
- BRZ/Miata feel great in handling but they don't feel fast.

Sure there are bimmers that do all three but they are in a different price range, and you need to shell out lots of $$ for extended warranties. You can't put down $20K like you can on a well specced used Z and have some fun. Forged wheels? Limited slip diff? Count me in!

Well the good things about facts is there is no rooms for specualtion. The mustang does in fact handle better, and get better times than the Z. Anywhere.... Any arena you want. Also the Z is not "fast" by any stretch of the imagination! And you can find a used 1le or 5.0 for cheaper than that of a used Z. Your fooling your self if you think its still a competitor. I love nissan and love the Z. Its my first automitve love, and it hurts for it to be getting left so far behind in a segment it once almost dominated. Thats the frustration... Ive owned Z cars for almost 20 years and this is the first time it has gotten so out classed and nissan not seem to care. Hopefully they will. Hopefully... They will have my buisness if they do, even though im inlove with Z cars, many of us will move on

I have owned both, too.

Look, you said it yourself, cars like the FRS/BRZ are all feel and no power, the Mustang is all power and no feel (especially the S197, the S550 is quite a bit better)- but don't ******** me, even withe PP, it's nowhere near on par with the driving feel of the Z.

The Z, as you said, is a balance of power and finesse. It's not a tiny lightweight car, but it's not a big fat 2 ton boat, either. It may not do 110+ in the quarter mile, but since when is low to mid 13's "slow"?

So, like I said, don't ******** me about Mustangs. A 16:1 rack and a solid rear axle belong under a truck. If you want a car that drives like the Z but has the power of a Mustang, that's great - SO DO I. :bowrofl:

I just don't expect to get it for $35,000. Which is - ta da - the price of a base 2015 Mustang GT with the Performance Package, which still doesn't drive nearly as nice as the Z does. But it is faster.

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I totally agree with this. The Z is about balance of the driving experience - without discounting having some power the way cars like the Miata, BRZ, and RX-8 do, but also considering it's not a $75,000 car made of aluminum so it weighs 2800 lbs. like those cars do, too.

I have another car.

I'll give you two guesses what it is. :drama:

Ford made the SRA work on the 11-14 mustangs. Theres no ******** about it! Feel is subject especially if its getting out performed at the track not 1/4 mile... The boss 302 is SRA and it humiliates the Z, ANYWHERE so the sra thing is out for 11-14. No one cares for previous GT's. Coyote only. The S550 straight is better track car than the Z for the same new price. Thats embarrising for nissan! I know its been a hard pill swallow but the 11-14 coyotes, 1le's, scat pack cars are all getting it done. Z owners are bullshitting themselves if they think otherwise. SRA OR not.

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Why didn't you buy one then? :hello:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Some people don't "get" the Z.

Why these people keep buying the Z instead of a Hellcat is beyond me. :facepalm:

No really, if the Z sucks so bad, why did you buy one again? :bowrofl:

If the Mustang is so good, why did you get rid of yours?

Needed something more practical, like.. A Z? :confused:

Hahah great rebutle. Hard to argue facts:inoutroflpuke:

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Way to dodge the question.

I'm not arguing facts, we're talking about the feel of the car, which you yourself said is subjective.

I already said I know the Mustang is faster, so... Why not answer the question? Why are you driving a Z instead of a Mustang?

I didnt say it sucked. Lol. I said its getting left behind in a segment it used to almost dominate. Then you came in here with your "feelss" crap talking down on SRA for the 11-14 GT. LMAO

AS i said before, and ill say it again for the "hard of reading" Z cars are my first love... And this thread is about frustrations about the new possible direction of the Z

The SRA may "dominate" on a track but it "feels" like crap on public streets with bumps and irregularities.

How the car "feels" is part of the Z, one which you apparently discount.

I built a 280z with my dad, 350z turbo with my brother and i have owned close to 15 Z's... Its a family thing... I love em. Im legit sad about whats happening or going to happen to the Z

If it's that crossover piece of ****, I'm right there with you. But if it won't out-drag-race a Mustang, I really could not give a crap.

I agree too. I dont need* it to out drag the mustang. A simple refresh and a GOOD Power bump would suffice. I can only dream of a turbo 6. 400hp would be just enough behind a GTR and well enough to stay afloat in the competition

As long as it keeps the tight, quick feel of the steering, I'm all over that. Cars like the Mustang with 16:1 steering racks just don't have the crisp turn-in like you get from a BRZ, RX-8, Miata, S2000... But those cars don't have the brute force of something like the Z, and especially not the Mustang and Camaro.

The Mustang will go round a racetrack really fast, sure. But driving one, they are heavy, and you can feel it. The steering wheel feels like it belongs on a pirate ship, and as if it's barely even connected to the front wheels on the S197. There is ample dive and squat in the suspension, little feedback from the steering, etc. - though the S550 is greatly improved over the S197 in all of those respects, it's still not as "good" as the Z in those ways.

That is what people are getting at, or at least, that's what I'm getting at... Balance between the actual performance, and the enjoyment of driving it.

If I'm getting paid to win money on a racetrack, I suppose I'm going to drive the fastest damn thing I can afford to drive and I don't care what it feels like, it could be a nightmarish handful that keeps me at my wits' end the entire time, if it's faster, it's faster. But when I drive on the street I'm driving for my own enjoyment and I do not care about 0-60 times or lap times so much as if the car has enough power to "feel fun" to me - and also part of that "feeling fun" is the steering response, flat cornering, predictable braking, etc. That stuff is all way more important to me than the actual lap times turned in on a racetrack by a professional driver who isn't even me, and may not be enjoying it at all.

Now, on the other hand... There's the Miata/BRZ... It's just too slow to be fun IMO. The Z is not too slow to be fun. As I said before, low to mid 13's at over 100 mph in the quarter mile and a top speed (electronically limited) of 155 is slow? Come on, dude.

It could be faster, but it's fast enough to be fun.

BTW I have driven S197 GT, S197 GT + Ford Racing handling package, S550 with PP, S2000, BRZ, NISMO Z among others, I am not making crap up or "magazine racing" - I loved things about all of those cars but if I had to pick one car that I would drive "just to drive" - it's the NISMO.

And I will be SO pissed if it's replaced by a crappy little turbo 4 crossover. :inoutroflpuke:

How about the new camero

2 by 2...hands of blue

Lol. Fanboy?! So I'm a fanboy because I accept the fact that Nissan probably won't make anything more powerful and faster than what we already have? In my honest opinion you're wanting too much from Nissan.

If you're salty at Nissan for not making a cheap fast lightweight car take your business elsewhere they won't care and that means one less Z on the road which makes mine even more rare.:ughdance:

I have never driven a Camaro, for various reasons... So I don't have much to say about them other than I don't think I'd buy one, for the same "various reasons." :tiphat:

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This made me laugh so hard :bowrofl:

pretty frickin sweet list :tup:

Look I'm not trying to make this personal, but when you say things like "take your business elsewhere they won't care" it's hard not to say fanboy. They will care, and apparently already do care that people who love Z's have or are thinking about taking their business elsewhere.

Nissan seems to think those people don't want sports cars anymore. IMO they're wrong. Nissan just isn't building the sports car they want right now. They're too busy hiring terrible designers, building weird LMP cars, and focusing on the GTR to realize an entire market of Z people having been clamoring for a more competitive Z for years, and are anxiously awaiting details on the next gen Z only to find out Nissan still doesn't know WTF they're doing with it pushing ideas of miatas and crossovers on us.

Come on guys... you all know that we really want the next Z to be made completley of carbon fiber, weigh 2800 lbs, have a twin turbo V12 making over 1000 hp and cost only 25k :bowrofl:

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No I don't. I want it to cost $60K so that people start mentioning the Z and the GTR in the same sentence so that my Z's value will go up :icon17:. Long shot though.

@Davey I agree with everything you said, yes that's what I meant too. That's why I keep saying the Mustang and the Z are not in competition at all. They deliver a completely different driving feel and if you are looking for one, you will hate the other. The car I was cross-shopping my Z with was a pre-owned M3. The tight steering, handling and the high-revving engine felt quite similar. The M was about twice the price though (and I wouldn't buy one without an extended warranty) so the Z won.

If Subie offered a BRZ STI (keeps getting 'rumored' but I doubt its ever showing up) or Mazda offered a Mazdaspeed Miata with a turbo (which used to exist) then those are cars I would cross-shop with a Z. For now, the closest thing (in feel) is a BMW M235i and that starts at $55K.

The mustang and Z are not in competition for you because you like pure sports cars and because you value certain subjective characteristics over others. I do too. That doesn't change the fact that there is a large market of Z buyers who buy it because it's a sexy looking coupe with good performance on a budget. Guess which other cars fit into that category. A large portion of Z sales were lost because America upped their game and Nissan decided to stay out of the fight.

I like how the S550 Mustang drives, but not as much as the Z... But it's true that some people do not care about the same things some of us Z owners do, and as a result those guys are going to buy Mustangs and Camaros because dollar for dollar, they are faster, no question. They also have a usable (for kids) back seat and a sizable trunk for your wife's luggage when you go away for the weekend.

I would not mind a slightly higher starting price for the Z, losing 300 lbs and gaining 25 hp (3000 lbs/360 hp) would be where I'd like to see the car go. A $60K price tag combined with the toy car/impractical nature of the Z would just result in a car that won't sell, even more than the current Z.

So some good news. I got confirmation that more than likely the next Z will be a 3.0TT.

duh! :hello:

pls explain.